Major astrophysics discovery to be unveiled on Monday.

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Pray To Jesus

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What about quantum entanglement? It's proven that information can be exchanged between entangled pairs at speeds thousands of times faster than light.

Any measurement of the state of the entangled particles break the entanglement such that no information transmission is possible.

You can know it's entangled, but you don't know its state. If you know its state, it's not entangled.

It's similar to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
 
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rockyct

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More hype than substance is my guess. I'm always so disappointed after these unveilings.

They really are for the science community. I'm sure whatever it is will be quite interesting for them and may even redirect some fields of study, but the average person will go "huh?" Even astronomy fans like people will probably just go, "oh, cool" and not really think twice about it.

Unless an alien is posing for a selfie on Mars, the average person probably isn't going to care in the slightest about what they announce on Monday.
 

norseamd

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We (or at least I) were referring to particles, "things", that have a physical presence in spacetime within the universe. We know that changing the state of one member of an entangled pair alters the other as you say, but if you look more closely you will find that passing along useful information at apparent transluminal speeds is problematic. Don't be looking for an ansible soon. In any case mass and energy isn't going faster than light as I've already explained, at least as far as spacetime is concerned.

no physical presence?

so what you are saying is that we live in the matrix?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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no physical presence?

so what you are saying is that we live in the matrix?

You misunderstand. Because we exist in this universe we are bound by its rules. We have "presence". Entanglement isn't like a photon or proton. It's a quality, a state, a construct of sorts. You can eat an apple because its a real entity like us. You can't order a plate of entanglements any more than you could a bowl of phase shifts.
 

Paratus

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You misunderstand. Because we exist in this universe we are bound by its rules. We have "presence". Entanglement isn't like a photon or proton. It's a quality, a state, a construct of sorts. You can eat an apple because its a real entity like us. You can't order a plate of entanglements any more than you could a bowl of phase shifts.

Phase shifts?

I get those after eating kashi.
 
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Apple paying these shills to announce the iPhone VI as a revolutionary device. See, they changed the numbering scheme to roman numerals. GENIOUS!
 

bradly1101

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There is a massive, unavoidable comet or asteroid that will level 90% of species as it plunges us into decades of winter and a new ice age.

But I'm an optimist.
 

IEC

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There is a massive, unavoidable comet or asteroid that will level 90% of species as it plunges us into decades of winter and a new ice age.

But I'm an optimist.

Oh look, Mr. Mental Case rejoicing in the prospect of the deaths of billions of people...
 
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My guesses:
1) Discovery of an extrasolar planet using HARPS.
2) Discovery tied to inflationary gravitational waves
3) Presenter takes the stage and says this "The universe is not actually expanding, it is collapsing. And it's going to collapse in abou"
 
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IEC

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My guesses:
1) Discovery of an extrasolar planet using HARPS.
2) Discovery tied to inflationary gravitational waves
3) Presenter takes the stage and says this "The universe is not actually expanding, it is collapsing. And it's going to collapse in abou"

Gravitational waves could be interesting because some think we could harness their power much like how tidal generators work. maybe they figured out how to harness this power for free infinite energy?

Infinite free energy?

Would be boo'd off the stage by scientists.
 

Fritzo

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A lot of journals I follow are all but confirming it will be the discovery of gravitational waves (don't call them gravity waves are you'll upset people).

If this is what they discovered, it will all but confirm the big bang and inflation.
 

mnewsham

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A lot of journals I follow are all but confirming it will be the discovery of gravitational waves (don't call them gravity waves are you'll upset people).

If this is what they discovered, it will all but confirm the big bang and inflation.

Not just gravitational waves, primordial gravitational waves.

The primordial part is actually the most important.
 

IronWing

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Periodicity of any waves would be vital information.
"I feel fat today."
""Don't worry honey, it's just a gravity wave."
 

Paratus

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Not just gravitational waves, primordial gravitational waves.

The primordial part is actually the most important.

That should allow data gathering earlier than when the CMB originated 380,000 years after the Big Bang. We could potentially gain observable data right upto the moments after the Big Bang

Bolstering inflation theory also helps open the door another crack for a workable warp drive. If the universe can expand faster than light maybe we can too.