Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[nakedfrog]

The US already has some of the harshest criminal penalties in the world, do we really need to make them even more draconian? The US has about 4% of the world's population but 20% of its prisoners. It's absolutely insane how harsh our penal system is. We don't need to make penalties harsher, if anything we should make them much more lenient and put those resources towards law enforcement so the probability of being caught is higher.

We need gun control or really, gun abolition. I'll settle for much stricter gun control though.

If we can't do EVERYTHING to fix it, ALL AT ONCE, we have to do nothing. It's clearly the only way

I'll play it safe and put a /s here just in case. I hope it's obvious I'm mocking Greenman's notion of how to "fix" things. As always, as long as he's fine, there's really no problem with anything, FYGM.

 

[eelw]

I get a real kick out of right wingers saying the problem isn't guns, it's mental illness.

So we, the bastion of Christianity and FREEDOM in an increasingly secular world are more mentally ill than any other developed country, check.

Yup how much violence comes from religious fanatics? But not just Christianity. Obviously violence in Israel also and just about all other conflicts around the world.

 

[soulcougher73]

Even if you stopped selling guns, you'd never be able to pull back the ones out there. What we could do is stop selling ammunition and reloading supplies and prohibit shipping of it by any means. Close all gun stores and ranges and eliminate all firearms hunting seasons.

Turn the boombooms into sticks and decorations.

Just do a gun buyback at fair market rate. I would wager 90% of "responsible gun owners" would return them for cash. They may bitch about it, but theyd do it. The other 10% we crack skulls on. If they are the type that thinks "i need my guns to fight off the government", well they can look at history on how well that has worked for others here in the US.

"Going down, in a blaze of glory"

 

[purbeast0]

Even if you stopped selling guns, you'd never be able to pull back the ones out there. What we could do is stop selling ammunition and reloading supplies and prohibit shipping of it by any means. Close all gun stores and ranges and eliminate all firearms hunting seasons.

Turn the boombooms into sticks and decorations.

You're arguing something that nobody else is arguing. No one ever made this claim.

If you stopped selling guns today, it is 100% fact that you would have less guns on the streets in 5 years than you do right now.

 

[Brainonska511]

Just do a gun buyback at fair market rate. I would wager 90% of "responsible gun owners" would return them for cash. They may bitch about it, but theyd do it. The other 10% we crack skulls on. If they are the type that thinks "i need my guns to fight off the government", well they can look at history on how well that has worked for others here in the US.

"Going down, in a blaze of glory"
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If people think they need guns to fight off the government, we should start asking them why they want to fight and kill US troops.

 

[outriding]

People who have unconscious feelings of inferiority can't help but feel condescension all around them. They think people can see what they feel. The ones who really do see don't have a need to make you feel worse than you already do.

You made an assumption that repoman has feelings of inferiority without any evidence of it.

 

[repoman0]

You made an assumption that repoman has feelings of inferiority without any evidence of it.

Moonbeam told me like a decade ago that I must hate myself because I was making arguments in support of nuclear power to reduce CO2 emissions and head off the climate collapse we’re all in the middle of now. He throws the dumb tired self hate cudgel at anyone who happens to disagree with his opinion of the day. Ignore feature makes the forum annoying to read but it’s so easy to just scroll over all his fake intellectual garbage.

 

[nakedfrog]

Moonbeam told me like a decade ago that I must hate myself because I was making arguments in support of nuclear power to reduce CO2 emissions and head off the climate collapse we’re all in the middle of now. He throws the dumb tired self hate cudgel at anyone who happens to disagree with his opinion of the day. Ignore feature makes the forum annoying to read but it’s so easy to just scroll over all his fake intellectual garbage.

The only person I've ever put on ignore in 22 years here, highly recommend it. He's been banging that "self hate" drum for years. 8 billion people on the planet and he's got them all figured out with this one simple trick

 

[MrSquished]

I guess I hate myself a lot, and this vibes with moonbeams assessment of me. But still I'd rather take my own life out of my self-hate then get shot by a gun nut. Do I just not self-hate myself enough? Moonbeam tell me about myself

 

[K1052]

What's interesting to see is articles talking about how so many people in Maine are armed, but none shot back (I believe they were speaking generally and not of anyone specifically in these venues). But, it probably amounts to people not actually wanting or willing to be in a shootout. They just *think* that they could one day be a Rambo hero, so they carry a gun.

I do not carry even though I've been licensed to before. There is absolutely no way I'm charging some guy toting a semi-auto 5.56 rifle with 30 round mags with my carry piece unless I'm cornered and have no choice.

 

[K1052]

Just do a gun buyback at fair market rate. I would wager 90% of "responsible gun owners" would return them for cash. They may bitch about it, but theyd do it. The other 10% we crack skulls on. If they are the type that thinks "i need my guns to fight off the government", well they can look at history on how well that has worked for others here in the US.

If the government banned them and did a buyback at inflation adjusted MSRP they can have mine as far as I'm concerned. I'd probably prefer a far stricter regulatory structure to let some remain in private hands for sport and historical items. I've got a bunch of WWI and WWII guns I'd rather not go to the metal shredder if possible. I've held various licenses including FFLs so I'm not afraid of the paperwork.

 

[yottabit]

If the government banned them and did a buyback at inflation adjusted MSRP they can have mine as far as I'm concerned. I'd probably prefer a far stricter regulatory structure to let some remain in private hands for sport and historical items. I've got a bunch of WWI and WWII guns I'd rather not go to the metal shredder if possible. I've held various licenses including FFLs so I'm not afraid of the paperwork.

I feel like if you just stopped new manufacture and did a “cash for clunkers” voluntary buy back way over MSRP after a couple of decades it would have the same effect as banning personal ownership without (as much) backlash

Maybe also mandating liability insurance for ownership. Taxing ammunition. There’s ways to make it very inconvenient to own that wouldn’t violate 2A

 

[Moonbeam]

“You must be nuts. You can't deal with the fears caused by your CBD and you expect mothers to get over their fear their kids will be shot. You are pretty naïve. But you will never know it.”

I use the same argument to point out the stupidity of pushing the use of nuclear energy. Mothers worry about their kids. In that case the nuclear boys shout irrational. Fear can attempt to block or push for political change. Women have it right on nuclear and right on gun in the main. The biggest buyers of guns in recent years are women. They aren’t waiting for 911 to save them. Neither are mothers blowing away people breaking into their and their children's’ homes.

I don’t have CBD, WHATEVER THAT IS, NOR AM I MUCH WORRIED ABOUT ANYTHING. NOne of my guns are instant fire ready. Guns are not loaded even in magazines. Many are disassembled.

Not used to you acting irrationally.

 

[Moonbeam]

You made an assumption that repoman has feelings of inferiority without any evidence of it.

You made the assumption that since you don’t want to see the same truth about yourself and don’t realize it that I can’t see what you won’t as obvious. You won’t see colors either if you are color blind.

 

[eelw]

I use the same argument to point out the stupidity of pushing the use of nuclear energy. Mothers worry about their kids. In that case the nuclear boys shout irrational. Fear can attempt to block or push for political change. Women have it right on nuclear and right on gun in the main. The biggest buyers of guns in recent years are women. They aren’t waiting for 911 to save them. Neither are mothers blowing away people breaking into their and their children's’ homes.

I don’t have CBD, WHATEVER THAT IS, NOR AM I MUCH WORRIED ABOUT ANYTHING. NOne of my guns are instant fire ready. Guns are not loaded even in magazines. Many are disassembled.

Not used to you acting irrationally.

Well we’re not calling you a gun nutter because we believe you can snap and have your own mass shooting. It’s the insane defense of said object that you spew here. Responsible gun owners should want to be part of the solution and not just throw your hands in the air and impossible to confiscate these killing machines. And then the tap dancing about why is this an isolated issue not seen everywhere else in the world.

 

[Indus]

I am completely serious; I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. I have done some expat homework but there are so many places I have never visited to consider. So many different pros and cons. For myself, even climate change is a factor. Otis just slammed Mexico; it turned into a monster with historic alacrity. Higher on that coast was one of the places I was eyeing that has a big U.S. expat community because hablo muy Poco español. I expect the clean up and infrastructure rebuilding is not as efficient or fast as here in Fl. Don't want to go from the frying pan to the fire.

If you narrow down your search, let me know, please and thank you.

On topic: I don't have anything to add I haven't written in the past. I.E. We need much tougher gun laws. Bans on capacity and weapon type. Mandatory training. Mental health evaluations. The process of qualifying to own a firearm should be expensive for the purchaser. Hell, even something as mundane as COMPTIA and EMS certifications require regular recertification. Charge the owners fees to cover everything, and require mandatory training and evaluations every 3yrs. Even hunters; no exceptions.

Or we continue are descent into the Robocop dystopia.

HURR DURR! Makin' guns illegal means only criminals will them! HERP DERP!

No you vast morons, only the ones that are banned. Can't afford or pass the requirements for ownership? Too fucking bad. As beyond you as it is to understand; that's how civilized societies work. Certain constraints are placed upon all of the members for the collective good.

In the great recession.. I lost my job and my condo. Everything I had been taught by wall street.. to always vote Republican came crashing down that year. I was horribly depressed and I just needed to get away from NYC.

I went to Singapore and found myself. Stayed there 6 years. The good part of it was.. traveled and I really got to know pro's and cons of many places.

Like Thailand is a dream destination for some (especially Brits) but I've been there enough to know the financial cons and other cons. Especially that it floods and you can have snakes coming into your room to escape the flooding. Good for sex life though if you're single, but so are a lot of other places!

Lots of foreigners do Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam.. it's cheaper by a tad but you run into scams and it ends up costing a whole lot more than the sticker price. That in your golden years is going to cause a whole lot more stress and totally defeats the purpose of moving as you're moving just to get away from stress.

That's why I don't want to actually live there. Visit 2-3 weeks for fun, get my fill and fly back home. That way South East Asia stays in the "honeymoon" phase.

Personally I like Australia the best - really good health care, not crazy amount of shootings and it's close enough that if I want a holiday into Bali, Cebu, or somewhere, it's not too far to travel or get back. Like a 6 hour trip! However it's not cheap and that's the hitch. Like I might as well just stay in Singapore and travel.

There are also cheap destinations in Europe.. where if you buy a house, you get a residency visa. Portugal, Italy, Spain, Greece. My father's friend moved to Greece and he loves it there!

You can use vacation time to go scout out places before you finalize. Honestly you only need a week to so to see if you really like a place. Since you speak spanish.. Spain would be good. Why don't you look at Giriona or Benidorm?

Anyways I can't narrow down a place for you, since it's all going to be based on 75% your budget, 20% by your personal needs and 5% by availability of banks or services which can transfer your money from the US to you so you can spend it!

Don't underestimate that last bit.. I really liked Laos but banking and money transfer and availability of drugs was a nightmare. Had to travel like 50km just to find ibuprofen from the sticks!

 

[Jaskalas]

Ban assault weapon ownership, period, just for openers.

Mass shootings would still be just as common.
You wouldn't solve anything by that action alone.

 

[Pens1566]

Mass shootings would still be just as common.
You wouldn't solve anything by that action alone.

The previous assault weapons ban says otherwise. Shootings were down something like 230% compared to now.

 

[Sunburn74]

We could ban all firearms and every honest law abiding resident of the nation will turn theirs in. The stupid, criminals, and extremists will keep them. That doesn't seem like a good answer to me. It also doesn't address the issue of firearms smuggled into the country.

I'm not sure I buy this. Firstly criminals get guns the same way non criminals do. If legal outlets are blocked, it'll become harder and more expensive (the latter is the most important thing) for criminals to get them as well due to basic supply demand logic. If guns are smuggled in, they will cost even more for criminals to get them which is a good thing.

Will banning guns overnight cure all ills related to guns? No. In 6 months? No. A year? No. 2 years? Maybe we start seeing things. 10 years almost assuredly. 50 years? 100%

Gun ownership isn't just the guns but the culture.we need the culture to die and that takes time.

 

[akugami]

Well to be clear I am trying to take away access to guns, haha. I admit I am an outlier though.

And if you have that view, that's OK. Because to me, having no guns, or extremely extremely limited access by the general public is better than the free-for-all we have now.

But yes, the number of people who actually want guns completely removed is so small that it's not even a rounding error.

 

[akugami]

Moonbeam told me like a decade ago that I must hate myself because I was making arguments in support of nuclear power to reduce CO2 emissions and head off the climate collapse we’re all in the middle of now. He throws the dumb tired self hate cudgel at anyone who happens to disagree with his opinion of the day. Ignore feature makes the forum annoying to read but it’s so easy to just scroll over all his fake intellectual garbage.

Nuclear is a relatively safe and clean form of power generation, which the US butchers the implementation of.

A nuclear power plant should not be in an area that is seismically active such as California or volcanic areas like Hawaii, but beyond that, it's a relatively safe form of energy if done right.

It's beyond the pale that the US does not allow spent nuclear fuel rods to be recycled. That cuts down on a huge amount of the waste from nuclear power generation.

Only fucking morons are against nuclear energy production.

 

[outriding]

You made the assumption that since you don’t want to see the same truth about yourself and don’t realize it that I can’t see what you won’t as obvious. You won’t see colors either if you are color blind.

That makes no sense and you evaded the question all together.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Nuclear is a relatively safe and clean form of power generation, which the US butchers the implementation of.

A nuclear power plant should not be in an area that is seismically active such as California or volcanic areas like Hawaii, but beyond that, it's a relatively safe form of energy if done right.

It's beyond the pale that the US does not allow spent nuclear fuel rods to be recycled. That cuts down on a huge amount of the waste from nuclear power generation.

Only fucking morons are against nuclear energy production.

from a practical perspective, nuclear is kind of a dead end. plants take 10-20 years to bring online, let alone to pay off. i wish that weren't the case, but that is the case. maybe SMRs will change things, especially for large manufacturing facilities.

renewables are brought online much faster.

 

[Leeea]

Only fucking morons are against nuclear energy production.

and nuclear accidents keep happening ... Russa, USA, Japan, etc. Nobody is immune.

I would rather have a windmill and a battery. Cheaper and a lot safer.


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any news on the suspect in these murders getting caught?

 

[Moonbeam]

That makes no sense and you evaded the question all together.

It makes no sense to you. You assume you know what sense is when you see it. Every fool also believes that.