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KMFJD said:
He supposedly had checked himself in for mental health issues (hearing voices) but had just been released

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Maine mass shooting: Suspect Robert Card treated at mental health facility for reportedly hearing voices

Robert Card, 40, has been identified by the police as a person of interest in relation to the shootings at Sparetime Recreation and Schemengees Bar
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So this is a good time for someone to evaluate SOP for mental health checks to include accounting for firearms.
 
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One of my secondary market sites is in Auburn, about 5 minutes from downtown Lewiston and we used to have a site next to the medical clinic in Lewiston proper, so I know the area. Just got word from the CEO that none of the people who work there have been affected so that's a relief. They're not going to open today, we don't do emergency scanning, just outpatient.

All the reports I'm reading describe the shooter as a "military-trained" firearms instructor who may or may not have been in the reserves at some point. So I'm thinking that even though he was admitted to a mental health institution for treatment over the summer AND had threatened to shoot up the base where he worked, his weapons were probably never confiscated.

Maine does not have a Red Flag law.

Amerka!! Fuck Yeah!!
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
So this is a good time for someone to evaluate SOP for mental health checks to include accounting for firearms.
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All the talk of mental health seems like a huge deflection from the #1 issue behind every mass shooting in this country: easy access to firearms, particularly high-powered ones. It seems that many recent mass shooters would not meet a clinical definition of "mentally ill", and we just resort to this "mental health" reflex to rationalize why someone would pick up a rifle and decide to just go out and kill a bunch of people.
 
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RnR_au said:
We have strict entry requirements. The ability to watch an entire game of cricket without falling asleep and being able to eat two piece of vegemite toast without gagging.
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Well the Vegemite is no problem, I eat it all the time. Weirdly it's cheapest to get it in the states from sellers England vs Australia or the rare food shop here that actually sells it. Most shops in the NE have Marmite, which is just nasty.

Now with cricket, I'm assuming we're not talking staying awake for a 3 day test match? If it's Twenty20, then that's easy enough.
 
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The trick with Vegemite is to get the low-sodium version. My wife got the original for me on her way back from Oz and I've barely touched it.
 
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Pubs always scream mental health but don’t separate the mentally ill from their guns. At the same time they don’t want expanded healthcare. Red states refuse to expand Medicaid as part of the ACA.

They always move to expand gun access. They allow blind people to have guns. They want 18 year olds to have any gun. They try to block drug addicts to access guns yet get on their horse to prosecute Hunter Biden.

A gun nut judge pointed his gun at a black defendant and bragged about it. They didn’t take his gun and license away. We don’t have mental health tests BEFORE issuing licenses.

I don’t know much about gun ownership but the mass shooting incidents AR are the type of choice. These weapons are offensive not defensive. Maximum kill in a minimum time.

Republicans are despicable.
 
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Brainonska511 said:
All the talk of mental health seems like a huge deflection from the #1 issue behind every mass shooting in this country: easy access to firearms, particularly high-powered ones. It seems that many recent mass shooters would not meet a clinical definition of "mentally ill", and we just resort to this "mental health" reflex to rationalize why someone would pick up a rifle and decide to just go out and kill a bunch of people.
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That’s just it, gun nutters use mental health as a shield. But then just turn around and say it’s an infringement of their 2A rights. Standard hypocrisy
 
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Brainonska511 said:
All the talk of mental health seems like a huge deflection from the #1 issue behind every mass shooting in this country: easy access to firearms, particularly high-powered ones. It seems that many recent mass shooters would not meet a clinical definition of "mentally ill", and we just resort to this "mental health" reflex to rationalize why someone would pick up a rifle and decide to just go out and kill a bunch of people.
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Sorry but the AR-15 is a high velocity weapon, not a high-powered one. This tells me that you don't know what you're talking about and therefore none of your points are valid. Nor are the ideas of anyone that you associate with or anyone that vaguely resembles you.

Sincerely,

The NRA
 
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uallas5 said:
Sorry but the AR-15 is a high velocity weapon, not a high-powered one. This tells me that you don't know what you're talking about and therefore none of your points are valid. Nor are the ideas of anyone that you associate with or anyone that vaguely resembles you.

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The NRA
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Not gonna lie had me in the first half.

Almost had to bring the physics smackdown on how increased velocity increases power.
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
So this is a good time for someone to evaluate SOP for mental health checks to include accounting for firearms.
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How dare you separate me from my firearms!


Honestly, how would that even work? No gun registration, no tracing, no nothing. Nobody even knows what I have. The NRA has even made it legal for me to have it.


Your suggesting a national register? mandatory mental heath checks? That would overload a mental health care system that is already broken in this country and unable to treat existing patient load.
 
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Brainonska511 said:
All the talk of mental health seems like a huge deflection from the #1 issue behind every mass shooting in this country: easy access to firearms, particularly high-powered ones. It seems that many recent mass shooters would not meet a clinical definition of "mentally ill", and we just resort to this "mental health" reflex to rationalize why someone would pick up a rifle and decide to just go out and kill a bunch of people.
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See, I'm on the other side. I think that some 95%+ of Americans are mentally ill, our standard for 'mentally ill but functional' is just super fucked. I've been very vocal on this board about how I feel regarding firearms, and while some elements of that have adjusted I'm still pretty pro-2A. That said, there's very, very clear instances where even the slightest modicum of effort could have avoided a situation. A self-report of 'hearing voices' should be one of those instances where firearms are confiscated and kept away from the individual until such time as they are deemed healthy.
 
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pete6032 said:
Exactly! If you don't like mass shootings then just move out of the country! Great point.
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That's an interesting statement in that it implies that individual shootings don't count.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that someone would bring up Chicago, so I'll go ahead and do that now. Roughly seven people are shot in Chicago every day, but it's never reported as a mass shooting, it's never reported nationally at all as far as I know. Why is that? Why is it that continuous random shootings are just a part of life but mass shootings capture the attention of the nation? One is a horrific crime that congress needs to address, and the other is business as usual. To me they're all a national disaster, be it seven a day or 20 all at once.
 
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HomerJS said:
We don’t have mental health tests BEFORE issuing licenses.
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I was going to argue the mental health system in this country is broken and simply incapable of handling the load of doing mental health evaluations for that purpose.


But then I realized it could simply be done by a clerk:
Firearm type applied to be purchased:
AR-15: banned for life

others: check picture of user for mullet, otherwise pass.
 
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pete6032 said:
Exactly! If you don't like mass shootings then just move out of the country! Great point.
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Instead of trying to make the country where you live, work, and have family better, just move away from your entire social and economic support structure to another country. NBD, right?
 
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[DHT]Osiris said:
See, I'm on the other side. I think that some 95%+ of Americans are mentally ill, our standard for 'mentally ill but functional' is just super fucked. I've been very vocal on this board about how I feel regarding firearms, and while some elements of that have adjusted I'm still pretty pro-2A. That said, there's very, very clear instances where even the slightest modicum of effort could have avoided a situation. A self-report of 'hearing voices' should be one of those instances where firearms are confiscated and kept away from the individual until such time as they are deemed healthy.
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If 95% are mentally ill, how do you even define "normal", when "normal" is defined as the median and within 1-2 standard deviations?

We could just put a stop to this by limiting access to guns in the first place and stop playing up to people's fantasies of being some sort of guerilla Star Wars rebel against the government and whatnot.

The problem is the guns and access to them. Always has been. Everything else is just lipstick on a pig.
 
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Greenman said:
That's an interesting statement in that it implies that individual shootings don't count.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that someone would bring up Chicago, so I'll go ahead and do that now. Roughly seven people are shot in Chicago every day, but it's never reported as a mass shooting, it's never reported nationally at all as far as I know. Why is that? Why is it that continuous random shootings are just a part of life but mass shootings capture the attention of the nation? One is a horrific crime that congress needs to address, and the other is business as usual. To me they're all a national disaster, be it seven a day or 20 all at once.
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Yet you vote for and support a party that will do nothing about it.

Forgive me for thinking you're full of shit or just don't really care all that much.
 
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