Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[HomerJS]

Change the constitution, put laws in place that limit the types of guns people can buy, make guns more expensive, more waiting periods and extensive background checks, change the supreme court to one that would roll back Heller, etc... Hell, go abstract and have a state pass a law that says everyone over 18 is now a part of the state militia, and as a regulation on the militia, only the State armory may maintain firearms, and private storage is forbidden, just to play up the the "originality" meaning of the 2A.

The Constitution isn't a stone tablet with immutable meaning. It just has whatever meaning we choose to give it and what some politicians in robes say.

We don't need a Constitution change to limit the type of firearms. Scalia specifically said so in Heller.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I say stop being afraid to act and pass laws because SCoTUS has decided to take a radical approach to interpreting the Constitution.

You wanna see states flip R? Implement laws knowing they're against the constitution (even if it's 'current interpretation'). Purple states will go red so fast it'll make you shit yourself.

Number one rule of a fight over public sentiment, you do NOT take steps to become what your enemy tells everyone you are.

 

[Brainonska511]

You wanna see states flip R? Implement laws knowing they're against the constitution (even if it's 'current interpretation'). Purple states will go red so fast it'll make you shit yourself.

Number one rule of a fight over public sentiment, you do NOT take steps to become what your enemy tells everyone you are.

IDK, the idea of not getting shot while doing everyday things like bowling or grocery shopping seems like a pretty fucking compelling arguments to limit access to guns.

 

[Moonbeam]

Change the constitution, put laws in place that limit the types of guns people can buy, make guns more expensive, more waiting periods and extensive background checks, change the supreme court to one that would roll back Heller, etc... Hell, go abstract and have a state pass a law that says everyone over 18 is now a part of the state militia, and as a regulation on the militia, only the State armory may maintain firearms, and private storage is forbidden, just to play up the the "originality" meaning of the 2A.

The Constitution isn't a stone tablet with immutable meaning. It just has whatever meaning we choose to give it and what some politicians in robes say.

So let’s change it so that people who want to take constitutional rights from people who own guns to be legally shot on sight. It’s only about whatever the fuck liberal and conservatives have been conditioned to think is right so let the conservatives stick with the devil they know.

 

[eelw]

Change the constitution, put laws in place that limit the types of guns people can buy, make guns more expensive, more waiting periods and extensive background checks, change the supreme court to one that would roll back Heller, etc... Hell, go abstract and have a state pass a law that says everyone over 18 is now a part of the state militia, and as a regulation on the militia, only the State armory may maintain firearms, and private storage is forbidden, just to play up the the "originality" meaning of the 2A.

The Constitution isn't a stone tablet with immutable meaning. It just has whatever meaning we choose to give it and what some politicians in robes say.

Lol Americans doing something sane? Nah!!!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

IDK, the idea of not getting shot while doing everyday things like bowling or grocery shopping seems like a pretty fucking compelling arguments to limit access to guns.

It is to people like you and me, it's not to fucking morons that vote for Republicans. It cannot be framed as 'we must take guns away from people to save children'. If that was going to work, we would have knocked this shit out of the park in 1999 (friendly reminder, columbine almost a quarter century ago).

 

[fskimospy]

I say stop being afraid to act and pass laws because SCoTUS has decided to take a radical approach to interpreting the Constitution.

Yup - another reason to expand the court. As it stands SCOTUS has declared nearly all gun control to be unconstitutional and have empowered radical judges to play amateur historian to invalidate any gun law they don't like.

 

[fskimospy]

Change the constitution, put laws in place that limit the types of guns people can buy, make guns more expensive, more waiting periods and extensive background checks, change the supreme court to one that would roll back Heller, etc... Hell, go abstract and have a state pass a law that says everyone over 18 is now a part of the state militia, and as a regulation on the militia, only the State armory may maintain firearms, and private storage is forbidden, just to play up the the "originality" meaning of the 2A.

The Constitution isn't a stone tablet with immutable meaning. It just has whatever meaning we choose to give it and what some politicians in robes say.

I don't think changing the Constitution would even help much because SCOTUS would just Calvinball their way around it. As it stands they have ruled that any gun laws that were not around in 1791 are facially unconstitutional.

For example a judge recently ruled that laws preventing people with domestic abuse orders against them are unconstitutional because no such laws existed in the 18th century. Of course, domestic abuse was essentially legal back then so how could they have?

 

[Leeea]

Quick question - is it too soon after the tragedy to discuss gun control or is the tragedy far enough behind us now that there's no need to discuss gun control?

There is only one solution. Required open carry 24/7. Even while your sleeping. Playing volley ball. In the shower. Starting at age 12. At least 30 round capacity, .223 or equivalent, at least 15" barrel, but the butt stock is optional. When everyone is armed, mass shootings will become inevitable impossible, because everyone can and will be able to shoot back.

Lastly, an armed society will be a polite society. Or at the very least, one that prizes conflict deescalation skills. Social Darwinism at its best.

 

[eelw]

I don't think changing the Constitution would even help much because SCOTUS would just Calvinball their way around it. As it stands they have ruled that any gun laws that were not around in 1791 are facially unconstitutional.

For example a judge recently ruled that laws preventing people with domestic abuse orders against them are unconstitutional because no such laws existed in the 18th century. Of course, domestic abuse was essentially legal back then so how could they have?

Well assuming a constitutional amendment happen, that means Dems took control of 2/3rd congress and states. So SCOTUS would have been cleaned up also

 

[Moonbeam]

I find it fascinating that in a situation with clear evidence that a likely mentally ill person and not a gun owned by millions of non violent people as their legal right, it’s still the availability that is the problem and not the avoidance of the mental issues so profoundly manifest in authoritarians and especially in this thread by authoritarian liberals that have gone off the rails over their terror of the recent Mega- madness sweeping the right. One monster creates its mirror image in the land of sleepers.

Gun violence is the product of self haters and those who pretend to hate it and call gun availability the be all and solution to the problem are no more innocent of keeping the problem eternal that uncompromising 2nd amendments.

Self hate is the problem and those in denial are about 100%.

 

[Brainonska511]

I don't think changing the Constitution would even help much because SCOTUS would just Calvinball their way around it. As it stands they have ruled that any gun laws that were not around in 1791 are facially unconstitutional.

For example a judge recently ruled that laws preventing people with domestic abuse orders against them are unconstitutional because no such laws existed in the 18th century. Of course, domestic abuse was essentially legal back then so how could they have?

Yes, the Constitution is just words, and we have left it to politicians in robes to tell us what those words allow or don't allow. It's what led to great decisions like separate but equal, poll taxes and literacy tests, qualified immunity, racial gerrymandering under a veneer of partisan gerrymandering and so on....

It don't think it means we shouldn't continue striving to do more. We didn't get here overnight - the right wing has fought for decades to get what they want, and it has worked out well for them over the long term. It is time to start countering that with new laws that challenge the new status quo and pushing back on entrenched right wing institutions (like by expanding the courts).

 

[HomerJS]

Republicans put this up the day before the mass shooting. Sure, it really is all about mental illness.

Provisions now part of the three-bill spending minibus include an amendment offered by Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., that would preserve gun rights for veterans deemed mentally unfit to manage their benefits.

Senate adopts gun provision among amendments to spending bill

The Senate began work on a three-bill appropriations package, adopting a provision Wednesday dealing with veterans' gun rights.

rollcall.com

 

[Brainonska511]

I find it fascinating that in a situation with clear evidence that a likely mentally ill person and not a gun owned by millions of non violent people as their legal right, it’s still the availability that is the problem and not the avoidance of the mental issues so profoundly manifest in authoritarians and especially in this thread by authoritarian liberals that have gone off the rails over their terror of the recent Mega- madness sweeping the right. One monster creates its mirror image in the land of sleepers.

Gun violence is the product of self haters and those who pretend to hate it and call gun availability the be all and solution to the problem are no more innocent of keeping the problem eternal that uncompromising 2nd amendments.

Self hate is the problem and those in denial are about 100%.

Gun violence is the result of access to guns.

 

[Brainonska511]

Republicans put this up the day before the mass shooting. Sure, it really is all about mental illness.

Senate adopts gun provision among amendments to spending bill

The Senate began work on a three-bill appropriations package, adopting a provision Wednesday dealing with veterans' gun rights.

rollcall.com

Can't manage your finances, but can still manage a gun. Like some bizzaro reality these people are living in when they propose this shit.

 

[fskimospy]

I find it fascinating that in a situation with clear evidence that a likely mentally ill person and not a gun owned by millions of non violent people as their legal right, it’s still the availability that is the problem and not the avoidance of the mental issues so profoundly manifest in authoritarians and especially in this thread by authoritarian liberals that have gone off the rails over their terror of the recent Mega- madness sweeping the right. One monster creates its mirror image in the land of sleepers.

Gun violence is the product of self haters and those who pretend to hate it and call gun availability the be all and solution to the problem are no more innocent of keeping the problem eternal that uncompromising 2nd amendments.

Self hate is the problem and those in denial are about 100%.

You've been told the answer to this many times and it remains as clear today as it ever was.

Developed countries all over the planet have mentally ill people just like the US does but far less gun violence and lower murder rates. It is common sense that the one distinguishing factor is in the US mentally ill people have easy access to the tools of mass murder and in other developed countries they don't.

Seriously, this is basic, common sense.

 

[Leeea]

Gun violence is the result of access to guns.

The only solution to gun violence is more access to guns.

It is really quite simple. The republicans and NRA have eliminated any chance of gun control. So it is impossible to reduce access to guns. The only option is to go the other way.


So by increasing access to guns we reduce the population. But reducing the population there are simply less people. Less people = less people shooting guns = less violence.


Problem solved!

 

[HomerJS]

Republicans have a new solution. Yeah, Hannity isn't an elected official but he tells them what to do. He has personal phone numbers and calls often with orders.

Sean Hannity's response to Maine mass shooting sparks disbelief

"When something like this happens, what is your plan?" Hannity asked on his Fox News show.

www.newsweek.com

 

[eelw]

Funny how Moonie and 2A rights. The sane world gives a rats ass for your metal penis rights if it saves just a single person from gun violence. Nope gun nutters too selfish

 

[Leeea]

Republicans have a new solution. Yeah, Hannity isn't an elected official but he tells them what to do. HE has personal phone numbers and calls often with orders.
https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-maine-shooting-self-defense-plan-1838126

"Yes, he trains to block bullets with his body,"

that works to

I hear it is super effective.


Its better then the whole CCW plan, but not by much. At least Hannity isn't giving the shooter another weapon afterward.



Personally, I was planning on running like hell and then hiding behind something large and heavy. I was pretty sure my plan was not particularly good. But if I am really lucky someone with Hannity's plan will be around when the time comes and give me extra time to implement my plan.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is only one solution. Required open carry 24/7. Even while your sleeping. Playing volley ball. In the shower. Starting at age 12. At least 30 round capacity, .223 or equivalent, at least 15" barrel, but the butt stock is optional. When everyone is armed, mass shootings will become inevitable impossible, because everyone can and will be able to shoot back.

Lastly, an armed society will be a polite society. Or at the very least, one that prizes conflict deescalation skills. Social Darwinism at its best.

The answer to insanity is not more insanity. A majority of gun owners would welcome rational gun registration.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, the Constitution is just words, and we have left it to politicians in robes to tell us what those words allow or don't allow. It's what led to great decisions like separate but equal, poll taxes and literacy tests, qualified immunity, racial gerrymandering under a veneer of partisan gerrymandering and so on....

It don't think it means we shouldn't continue striving to do more. We didn't get here overnight - the right wing has fought for decades to get what they want, and it has worked out well for them over the long term. It is time to start countering that with new laws that challenge the new status quo and pushing back on entrenched right wing institutions (like by expanding the courts).

Yep - I bet if you repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow they would conjure up a fundamental right to self defense that required people to be able to own guns and carry on their merry way.

 

[Jaskalas]

Instead of “loan wolf”, I think the term should be “cancer”, as in we have a cancer that is spreading across America and it’s needs to be removed.

Did you support saying that about Muslims 10-15 years ago?
Just wondering how much the table has flipped.

To my prior thinking, yes, I do believe there is a larger issue that drives these violent outbursts. Although, when the suspect reportedly has a history of mental illness, they may not be the best poster child for collective punishment. There were much better recent examples to choose from.

 

[VashHT]

The answer to insanity is not more insanity. A majority of gun owners would welcome rational gun registration.

Nah I don't think that's true, gun nuts are intentionally vague when they claim they support rational gun regulation so that they don't have to actually propose or support anything. Every time Democrats suggest any kind of gun regulation Republicans vehemently oppose it no matter how small it is, I have yet to hear what any gun nut considers "rational" regulation.

 

[HomerJS]

The only solution to gun violence is more access to guns.

It is really quite simple. The republicans and NRA have eliminated any chance of gun control. So it is impossible to reduce access to guns. The only option is to go the other way.


So by increasing access to guns we reduce the population. But reducing the population there are simply less people. Less people = less people shooting guns = less violence.


Problem solved!

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