MAGA plan to make Americans into serfs.. the 50 year mortgage

[cytg111]

It’s also right there as the truth hidden between your ears. Foolishly and angry in denial, you believe that the truth that you hate yourself magically makes it true you are actually despicable. And because you believe that lie that’s all you can hear. You can’t help yourself because you are in denial. I could call you a dumbass but it wouldn’t help. You live that truth daily. Try not to.

I love the universe and everything in it. That includes you moonie. Hugs.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

My claim was that there are no answers within the system. Would not any rational discussion about alternatives have to be left to those who already see that, people who are seriously in search of answers. I don’t think you and I are there yet so anything I might consider you would here from the fact you are still looking to defend your position, no?

So there are no answers within the system, the system itself is the cause of the issues we're trying to fix, it is a prison which cannot be fixed from within. But we also can't have a rational discussion about alternatives because only people who can see that the system is the core problem and are in search of answers can discuss it. How do we proceed from here? What can we discuss?

 

[Moonbeam]

So there are no answers within the system, the system itself is the cause of the issues we're trying to fix, it is a prison which cannot be fixed from within. But we also can't have a rational discussion about alternatives because only people who can see that the system is the core problem and are in search of answers can discuss it. How do we proceed from here? What can we discuss?

Given there are no answers within the system, the system itself is the cause of the issues we're trying to fix, it is a prison which cannot be fixed from within. But we also can't have a rational discussion about alternatives because only people who can see that the system is the core problem and are in search of answers can discuss it. Why do you ask, “How do we proceed from here? What can we discuss?”? If it is a given would not the answer be obvious and if it is not yet a given would you not find yourself questioning? What happens to guestions when the question becomes why do you ask them?

Are you really saying you see the prison we live in and want to know what a prison free life would look like, or are you really seeking to challenge my statement of what I say are the facts by further expressions of doubt?

If you are of the system, a prisoner of it as I have said, you can consider the possibility or reject it. I can only suggest these are the facts. I can’t force you to see them. No matter what I say if your intention is to stay in the comfort of your own certainty that will not change. But if you wish for understanding you will see all attempts to free yourself are the product of ego. What is the solution to a conundrum from which there is no escape?

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Given there are no answers within the system, the system itself is the cause of the issues we're trying to fix, it is a prison which cannot be fixed from within. But we also can't have a rational discussion about alternatives because only people who can see that the system is the core problem and are in search of answers can discuss it. Why do you ask, “How do we proceed from here? What can we discuss?”? If it is a given would not the answer be obvious and if it is not yet a given would you not find yourself questioning? What happens to guestions when the question becomes why do you ask them?

Are you really saying you see the prison we live in and want to know what a prison free life would look like, or are you really seeking to challenge my statement of what I say are the facts by further expressions of doubt?

If you are of the system, a prisoner of it as I have said, you can consider the possibility or reject it. I can only suggest these are the facts. I can’t force you to see them. No matter what I say if your intention is to stay in the comfort of your own certainty that will not change. But if you wish for understanding you will see all attempts to free yourself are the product of ego. What is the solution to a conundrum from which there is no escape?

Let's assume for the sake of contemplation that we here in the ATP&N enclave have considered the possibility that we are prisoners of the system and accept it as true, that we cannot change the system from within because its nature is that of a prison. What's next?

 

[DZero]

This is 100% NOT altruistic and the motivation for this is NOT about affordability.

Everyone needs to look into some of the predatory investment bros from the shenanigans that led to the 2008 mortgage crisis and you'll see the purpose of this..

This is beyond fucked up.

Stop looking at this from borrorwers perspective and look at this from the finance/real estate investment side.

The game plan for this crap comes from a bad place and the goals are truly evil and disastrous for society

Is simple. Trump wants to russify the US, is what Oligarchs wants there.

 

[Moonbeam]

Let's assume for the sake of contemplation that we here in the ATP&N enclave have considered the possibility that we are prisoners of the system and accept it as true, that we cannot change the system from within because its nature is that of a prison. What's next?

Who is it who knows asks what is next? What’s next is a guestion asked by a person who is seeking to escape a prison, who has some ego need, who feels driven to solve a problem they still imagine the tools they use, system inculcated tools, can free them. What’s next is what comes after the death of hope there are any answers and the realization that questions, profoundly important questions that are vital for a seeker to ask have no answers. With that realization comes collapse, surrender, resignation, realization, freedom, no? All existential questions are asked by prisoners of systems that are not real. These systems are the unexamined sacred cows we imagine give life meaning, that when questioned by real seeking disappear. The self that asks them is not real. The self that is when that program dies is the answer. It is your true being. That being has its own aim, on earth as it is in heaven, but we are way way ahead of ourselves, no? Are we not you and I still stuck in the system? I know nothing. Why would I be someone to ask what is next?

I like the notion of heaven on earth. It’s even part of a much uttered prayer, but how would I know what heaven looks like? What if my notion were actually a path to hell?

 

[IronWing]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/10/trumps-50-year-mortgage-plan-is-getting-panned-allies-blame-this-man-00645654

Apparently, Trump has gotten a ton of negative reactions to the 50 year mortgage...so, of course, now he's against it. (until he's for it again)

LOL! Trump is surprised that the heir to one of the nation’s largest housing builders promotes a method of selling more or more expensive houses?

 

[HomerJS]

Supply and demand are laws that apply to the profit motive system that exists. In a system directed by human need the urgency of need would direct the supply. The greater the need the greater the supply. Action is directed by motive. The value of one’s life is determined by the magnitude of joy created by success. Perhaps you believe that money buys happiness rather than relief from stress.

Supply and demand is one of the base tenets of capitalism. S&D dictates you can roll into Southern Florida after Hurricane Andrew charge $25/lb for ice and get it.

We don't allow that despite being a capitalistic society. Why? Exploitation.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Who is it who knows asks what is next? What’s next is a guestion asked by a person who is seeking to escape a prison, who has some ego need, who feels driven to solve a problem they still imagine the tools they use, system inculcated tools, can free them. What’s next is what comes after the death of hope there are any answers and the realization that questions, profoundly important questions that are vital for a seeker to ask have no answers. With that realization comes collapse, surrender, resignation, realization, freedom, no? All existential questions are asked by prisoners of systems that are not real. These systems are the unexamined sacred cows we imagine give life meaning, that when questioned by real seeking disappear. The self that asks them is not real. The self that is when that program dies is the answer. It is your true being. That being has its own aim, on earth as it is in heaven, but we are way way ahead of ourselves, no? Are we not you and I still stuck in the system? I know nothing. Why would I be someone to ask what is next?

I like the notion of heaven on earth. It’s even part of a much uttered prayer, but how would I know what heaven looks like? What if my notion were actually a path to hell?

So going back to the beginning, when I talk about how bad of an idea a 50-year mortgage is and how a better solution would be to build more affordable housing in places people want to live and enact significant restrictions on owning massive amounts of housing stock for rent-seeking, I am inextricably bound to the existing problems in terms of of responsibility in that I have not fixed them. There are no answers within the system, no cure to these ills, the system itself is the cause of the problems. It is a prison which cannot be fixed from within.

Because I am a prisoner of and worship the system I cannot have a rational discussion with anyone about alternatives to the system; we are all prisoners and worshipers of the system. Only people who recognize that they are prisoners have the potential to see the system for what it is. Even with such recognition and acceptance I delude myself into thinking I can escape using the tools of the prison itself, that I can find answers to vital, existential questions. I need to cast off all hope that there are any answers whatsoever. Once I realize there are no answers I experience collapse, surrender, resignation, realization, and freedom. The system is not real and neither is the self that I think I am, rather when the system dies for me my true being remains. After everyone else has had this same experience we will be prepared to say what is to be done about society.

All that being said we're all still trapped in the system and thus cannot see what is possible outside of it. All we can say is that solving real-world problems within the system does nothing to truly help anyone, we're just rearranging the deck chairs. Talking about larger societal issues or making decisions about them is pointless, effectively arbitrary, might as well roll some dice and make decisions that way. We can scream and cry all we want about the best ways to improve society, but being blind automatons we merely sustain the system in spite of ourselves.

I dunno. I encourage you to continue to follow your path and keep us apprised of your progress. I will probably continue to talk about things on this forum, vent, opine, reprimand, congratulate and so forth. In spite of the fact that no posts on this forum, individually or collectively, have ever resulted in substantial change to society, I enjoy reading them and responding occasionally.

 

[spacejamz]

This was the next logical step after financing a $100k vehicle for 96 months.

 

[gothuevos]

50 years lol wow

Why not 100?

 

[Jaskalas]

I love the universe and everything in it.

An organized group who wants to harm and enslave us should probably be an exception.
I find it is up to them to prove otherwise.

While I am happy to live and let live, as a general policy. When their policy is to infringe on my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, then we got a problem.

 

[cytg111]

An organized group who wants to harm and enslave us should probably be an exception.
I find it is up to them to prove otherwise.

While I am happy to live and let live, as a general policy. When their policy is to infringe on my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, then we got a problem.

Sure. But in the large scheme of things it really is minute details of the most minute order. All this shit sprung into existence 14b years ago - from hydrogen and gravity++ all other things we know of has been conjured into existence. From basically nothing. That is god damn beautiful. How can you not look out at the night sky and love everything that was and everything that will be.

 

[gothuevos]

Sure. But in the large scheme of things it really is minute details of the most minute order. All this shit sprung into existence 14b years ago - from hydrogen and gravity++ all other things we know of has been conjured into existence. From basically nothing. That is god damn beautiful. How can you not look out at the night sky and love everything that was and everything that will be.

We are but a speck of nothingness in the cosmos.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sure. But in the large scheme of things it really is minute details of the most minute order. All this shit sprung into existence 14b years ago - from hydrogen and gravity++ all other things we know of has been conjured into existence. From basically nothing. That is god damn beautiful. How can you not look out at the night sky and love everything that was and everything that will be.

Or at least it was beautiful until a bunch of hairy apes figured out how to throw a pointy stick. Kinda went to shit after that.

 

[Moonbeam]

I dunno. I encourage you to continue to follow your path and keep us apprised of your progress. I will probably continue to talk about things on this forum, vent, opine, reprimand, congratulate and so forth. In spite of the fact that no posts on this forum, individually or collectively, have ever resulted in substantial change to society, I enjoy reading them and responding occasionally.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Ken g6]

50 years lol wow

Why not 100?

Full working age (16) to retirement age (67) is 51 years. Take 1-3 years (minimum working age is 14 in some cases) to build up that down payment, I guess.

 

[hal2kilo]

Full working age (16) to retirement age (67) is 51 years. Take 1-3 years (minimum working age is 14 in some cases) to build up that down payment, I guess.

You forgot paper routes and lawn cutting starting at 11.