mafia game 19 DAY 5

[HamburgerBoy]

oops double

 

[HamburgerBoy]

MonKENy, aren't you out of the game right now? My count...

JujuFish: Chiro
DixyCrat: Chiro
Chiro: Juju
HamburgerBoy: Juju
highland145: Juju

I'll vote for HamburgerBoy in the interest of creating a tie.

 

[JujuFish]

Chiro, if you change your vote to Dixy (he can't get jailed anyway), and I change mine to highland145, we should have a tie all around.

 

[PenguinPower]

Even being dead, this game feels like it's taking an eternity.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I think we win

 

[JujuFish]

I think we win

As long as Chiro changed his vote (to either no vote or to you), then we win

 

[JujuFish]

Bump
*stares at Chiro*

 

[Chiropteran]

I feel like this is a big scam. Yes, it will work if everyone plays nice, but what if I change my vote and you leave yours alone, now I get jailed and you get to run free. I'm fine with the two of us going to jail, but I don't see the point of trying to game the system like you are arguing. We all know SOMEONE in the game now is playing an evil, and all that person has to do is change his vote from himself to nobody or dixycrat at the last minute and all the good players go to jail with tied votes of (1) while he sits free, and the next night he can have dixycrat killed.

Explain how you can prevent this and I'll consider playing along, but until then I will remain voting for jujufish.

 

[JujuFish]

I already changed my vote. The fact that you still aren't changing yours is a huge red flag.

And if the whole kill-Dixy thing happened, everyone in jail would be freed and said person would be lynched immediately.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He doesn't need to change his vote; right now you're both being jailed anyways. If he tries to pull a last minute switcheroo it will only make him look worse, especially since we've been playing fairly loosely with the jail keys. Anyone trying to break the tie (which greatly increases our chances of locking up all the baddies simultaneously) is very suspicious.

 

[JujuFish]

Right now, everyone has 1 vote except me, I have 2.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Dixy's last vote was for Chiro as well, as far as I can see.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you switched to highland.

 

[Chiropteran]

Well I just still do not trust jujufish. If there are two votes for him currently, that means someone else is also voting for him. Convince that voter to switch and you have your 5(?) way tie, I'd rather not switch myself.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm not so sure that ALIVE will even honor a 5-way tie. Seems too easy tbh. I'd rather just vote Chiropteran and make sure we get both of you in.

 

[JujuFish]

Well I just still do not trust jujufish. If there are two votes for him currently, that means someone else is also voting for him. Convince that voter to switch and you have your 5(?) way tie, I'd rather not switch myself.

More excuses, more red flags. I am now willing to argue that you alone be put into jail.

HamburgerBoy, you should change your vote if you just want a tie, since I am going to change mine back to Chiropteran.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

wimpy screws it for everyone; so he gets the screw:
HamburgerBoy

 

[Chiropteran]

More excuses, more red flags. I am now willing to argue that you alone be put into jail.

HamburgerBoy, you should change your vote if you just want a tie, since I am going to change mine back to Chiropteran.

Well, I politely disagree If I was actually the bad guy I'd change my vote as you ask and pretend to play along, and then change it back at the last minute so only you go to jail (or whoever).

I am pointing out the flaw in your plan, rather than simply taking advantage of it as an evil would. The fact that you think this flaw is no big deal makes me wonder if that is your plan all along, get everyone to vote for themselves and then change your vote to get rid of whoever you want.

Anyway, it seems like ALIVE is MIA anyway. I'm wondering if the game will ever move on. Perhaps we will simply be stuck on day 5 forever, living it over and over, repeating the same arguments. Just like Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

 

[JujuFish]

The flaw is, as you say, "no big deal", because anyone who changed their vote at the end would instantly out themselves as a bad guy, sealing their fate the next day. If a bad guy wants to give up one of their own for one good guy, that's a trade I'm willing to make. Town wins in a war of attrition.

 

[JujuFish]

Oh, and because I haven't actually changed my vote yet, Chiropteran.

 

[Chiropteran]

The flaw is, as you say, "no big deal", because anyone who changed their vote at the end would instantly out themselves as a bad guy, sealing their fate the next day. If a bad guy wants to give up one of their own for one good guy, that's a trade I'm willing to make. Town wins in a war of attrition.

You say that, but the alternative is losing the game immediately... so I am fairly sure the bad guy will be fine with outing himself if it buys him a few more turns.

Also, drum is getting out night 6. There are potentially 2 hitmen, a godfather, and a weak townie who could be on the mafia's side. That is 4 votes. With 7 players left alive in the game, I don't think the town actually does win a war of attrition.

Care to show the math that brought you to the conclusion that we win a war of attrition? It just doesn't add up for me, it looks like the bad guys could easily win if we don't jail them before tomorrow night.

 

[JujuFish]

If the bad guys had 4 votes, the game would be called. Since it hasn't, the town has the numbers. Since the town has the numbers, it can win a war of attrition.*

But at least you see that we need to jail the bad guys now instead of just going down the list.

*This is assuming the bad guys give themselves away, of course, as in the example given. If the bad guys don't give themselves away, it's not really a war of attrition.

 

[Chiropteran]

If the bad guys had 4 votes, the game would be called.

We have been working on the assumption drum is an evil. He is in jail and can't vote. Also we don't know monkeny's status either. If drum is actually the mafia boss, there is that interesting rule that the boss and hitman will meet if they are in jail together. Potentially both monkeny and drum could be badguys. We don't know what side the weak townie is on. If things get delayed for a turn or two, or worse if the entire town votes itself into jail except for the bad guy, team evil could easily get a voting majority.

In any case, the reality of the situation is that this entire strategy depends on ALIVE actually accepting it. It feels sorta cheesy and I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to not allow it. I'm just going to wait until we hear from him before arguing further because it might just be a moot point.

 

[JujuFish]

If you're a good guy, and I'm a good guy, and we send each other to jail (as the vote stands right now), we're probably dooming the town.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

There's a pretty good chance that both hitmen are already evil. Not that many players, a bunch of people in and out of prison, one was already identified on the first night, and we've had multiple silent (i.e. possible recruitment) nights. Doesn't make much of a difference since only one hit can be performed.

 

[highland145]

DixyCrat