Maddow Blog: Proposed - Three months, 30 states, 55 new voting restrictions

Oldgamer

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News Article cut and pasted below, link at bottom

Three months, 30 states, 55 new voting restrictions

In North Carolina this week, some Republican lawmakers unveiled some new ideas. Are they related to jobs, jobs, jobs? I'm afraid not -- GOP legislators in the state hope to cut the early-voting window in half, eliminate same-day voter registration, and end Sunday voting.

If this seems rather familiar, there's a good reason. In 2011 and 2012, Republican policymakers at the state level invested all kinds of time and energy into approving the most sweeping voting restrictions since the Jim Crow era, and as Ari Berman reported yesterday, in 2013, they're picking up where they left off.

In 2011 and 2012, 180 new voting restrictions were introduced in forty-one states. Ultimately, twenty-five laws and two executive actions were passed in nineteen states following the 2010 election to make it harder to vote. In many cases, these laws backfired on their Republican sponsors. The courts blocked ten of them, and young and minority voters—the prime target of the restrictions—formed a larger share of the electorate in 2012 than in 2008.

Despite the GOP's avowal to reach out to new constituencies following the 2012 election, Republican state legislators have continued to support new voting restrictions in 2013.

We're just three months into the year, but Berman reports that we've already seen 55 new voting restrictions proposed in 30 states. It is, as Project Vote's Erin Ferns Lee put it, "an onslaught."

It's worth noting that different states are considering different voting restrictions. Some are pushing voter-ID laws, while others are considering banning election-day voter registration. Some want proof-of-citizenship requirements, while others intend to reduce early voting. Some are pushing efforts to purge voter rolls, while at least one state (Virginia) is eyeing a bill to disenfranchise ex-felons.

Many of these efforts are in the South, and may run into Voting Rights Act troubles if approved, but let's also not forget that Supreme Court conservatives may very well be poised to destroy the Voting Rights Act altogether.

We talked this morning about President Obama's election-reform commission, and voting-rights advocates can certainly hope something worthwhile will come of their efforts, but in the meantime, the political world is once again faced with a systemic issue: a few too many Republican policymakers appear desperate to put new hurdles between voters and the ballot box. It didn't much matter in 2012, but they're intent on keeping the "war on voting" going anyway.

With this in mind, Jamelle Bouie raises an important point.

The GOP just can't hire new personnel if it wants to make headway with nonwhite voters. They need to show real interest in the particular priorities of minority voters. And that begins with abandoning the drive to limit their presence at the polls. Because in the end, Republican protests notwithstanding, that is the practical effect of the voter identification laws pushed and passed by GOP legislatures.

"tudy after study," writes Berman, "has shown that voter ID laws disproportionately impact young and minority voters. Not only are these constituencies less likely to have photo ID, but even in states without ID laws, black and Hispanic youth were significantly more likely than whites to be asked to show ID."

The RNC's Reince Priebus says he's entirely sincere about reaching out to minority voters and bringing minority communities into his party's tent. I'm skeptical, but that's what he's said.

If the RNC chair means it, though, he can prove it rather easily -- denounce Republican efforts to make voting more difficult and publicly reject proposals that disproportionately affect minorities.

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ivwshane

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Oh boy, another "IDs are discrimination" thread. :|

Do you think removing early voting is a form of discrimination if a disproportionate amount of a group of people would be affected?
What reason does removing early voting serve? Do you think government can make voting more efficient by removing early voting? Since employers have to let their employees vote do you think it's in their best interest to have their employees miss work for several hours or a whole day because of long voting lines?

Who has the balls to defend such actions? What reasons do you have?


I await the deflection.
 

glenn1

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Do you think removing early voting is a form of discrimination if a disproportionate amount of a group of people would be affected?
What reason does removing early voting serve? Do you think government can make voting more efficient by removing early voting? Since employers have to let their employees vote do you think it's in their best interest to have their employees miss work for several hours or a whole day because of long voting lines?

Who has the balls to defend such actions? What reasons do you have?


I await the deflection.

Employers don't "have to let their employees vote" on company time, unless your state or municipality has some law requiring this. I've lived in a lot of states and have never heard of such a thing.

As for your questions about "what purpose does it serve" and "efficiency," those aren't the only factors in deciding these questions. Voter convenience can and should be taken into account, but not to the exclusion of any other considerations.
 

Drako

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Do you think removing early voting is a form of discrimination if a disproportionate amount of a group of people would be affected?
What reason does removing early voting serve? Do you think government can make voting more efficient by removing early voting? Since employers have to let their employees vote do you think it's in their best interest to have their employees miss work for several hours or a whole day because of long voting lines?

Who has the balls to defend such actions? What reasons do you have?


I await the deflection.

My comment had nothing to do with early voting. :|

I'm not sure how you could read that into what I posted.
 

nehalem256

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Do you think removing early voting is a form of discrimination if a disproportionate amount of a group of people would be affected?

No and its a stupid methodology. Do you really think any change to voting will not disproportionally affect some group?
 

nextJin

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The ID requirement I can see the argument, everything else makes no sense whatsoever. I wish my home state got their act together though I was only raised there, I never plan on moving back.
 

lopri

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Imagine when the day comes when people can vote at home through the Internet. ^^
 

ivwshane

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Employers don't "have to let their employees vote" on company time, unless your state or municipality has some law requiring this. I've lived in a lot of states and have never heard of such a thing.

As for your questions about "what purpose does it serve" and "efficiency," those aren't the only factors in deciding these questions. Voter convenience can and should be taken into account, but not to the exclusion of any other considerations.

Just because you have never heard of something doesn't invalidate my argument. Most states do have "right to vote" laws.

http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html

What are the other factors that should be included?
 

ivwshane

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My comment had nothing to do with early voting. :|

I'm not sure how you could read that into what I posted.

Are we not discussing a thread about voter ID laws? Yes and some of those laws include removing early voting.
 

trenchfoot

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This trend that the Repub leadership have gotten ahold of is merely accellerating the sinking of their "boat with only one oar" due to the fact that while the multitude of small holes that are appearing at one end of their boat are desperately being plugged in panic mode, other folks in that boat are furiously poking more holes at the other end while still more of them are bailing water into their boat at the same time.

All that while the captain and crew are disingenuously trying to make their red dyed pachyderm bray like a mule but just can't seem to do anything with that long swinging trunk and those madly flapping ears.
 

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Why do the Republicans support affirmative action (Gingrich, Bush), hate crime legislation (George Allen), banning CSA flags (Gingrich), and supporting the welfare state (3.5Tn dollar budget proposed by the Republicans) if the Republicans were so severely trying to disenfranchise "minority voters"?

The Republicans care just as much about getting "minority votes" as the Democrats do.
 

ivwshane

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Why do the Republicans support affirmative action (Gingrich, Bush), hate crime legislation (George Allen), banning CSA flags (Gingrich), and supporting the welfare state (3.5Tn dollar budget proposed by the Republicans) if the Republicans were so severely trying to disenfranchise "minority voters"?

The Republicans care just as much about getting "minority votes" as the Democrats do.

Straw man, deflection, anything else you want to try before having to answer my questions?
 

nehalem256

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if only liberals got so mad when they go after the 2nd amendment.

And unlike early voting its actually in the constitution.

But of course its really all a deflection from the real problem:
She also blames voters, saying some took as long as 40 minutes to complete the ballot before feeding it into a scanner. "The reason we had long lines ... was the length of the ballot and how long it took each person to fill out the ballot," she says.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/11/07/florida-voting-problems/1690549/

I guess if Democratic voters are so stupid they need 40 min to fill out a ballot they might need early voting ^_^
 

michal1980

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Deflection one and two from the usual sources.

Lol

Not a single person has addressed my questions in any meaningful way.

Not surprised.

your questions aren't simple aren't worth addressing, because their nothing but bait.


My question has a point.
 

Oldgamer

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Oldgamer

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What is abundantly clear is that these are moves to suppress voters, particularly in heavy minority areas. President Obama has issued an executive order creating a commission where they will be looking at these issues. Several organizations have already begun the process of law suits, and other motions to push back on this.

I honestly believe that voting should be made easier, and allow all US citizens to vote freely without being hampered or suppressed.

But irregardless of this blog news article by Maddow from MSNBC, despite what your opinions are on whether this is just a blog or real news, it is a fact that this is what these states and the Republican representatives are doing and what they are pushing for. The intention is clear that this is not to make things easier for voters, They have already admitted to this blatantly in 2012.

In my opinion this is very un-American and should be a very serious concern to all.
 

sixone

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Edited title and content to show this is a news article from the Maddow Blog site. These are proposed changes - Per Admin request to edit

It's not a news article. It's a blog and an opinion piece.

I realize that it's become common to pass off one as the other. But let's be above that, shall we?
 

Oldgamer

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It's not a news article. It's a blog and an opinion piece.

I realize that it's become common to pass off one as the other. But let's be above that, shall we?

It is all a matter of opinion. I will continue to call them news blog articles.