MADD campaingning to erradicate drunk driving entirely

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: TravisT
The technology was said to happen on contact through your skin on the steering wheel. There would be no penalty to having this technology for those that didn't drive intoxicated. I would be in favor of having the technology to know that my safety is being looked after while i'm on the road. Afterall, many cases the drunken driver survives the fatality accident in which they caused.

This isn't about protecting the drunken drivers, because hoenstly, i don't care. I care about my child in the backseat of my car when the intoxicated person steps behind the wheel of a car.

Which won't work in any northern states in the winter.

people in the north east don't have hands in the winter?

a) I said North, not northeast
b) gloves are a necessity at the single digit and lower temperatures
c) even if we aren't wearing gloves, ever wonder why your fingers turn white in the cold...that's your blood withdrawing into the core of your hand to protect and heat the more important tissues and organs. There likely wouldn't be enough blood material on the surface of your hands to get an accurate reading.

d) if you think I'm gonna wait around for the car to heat and and my hands to get their blood back, and maybe miss work just because you (and other people like you) are trying to steer the system towards assuming I'm guilty before being proven innocent, then you're crazy.

take the bus then. you are assuming faults in a technology based on zero evidence of their validity. Can we start testing windows office 2012 for bugs before its been programmed?

Take the bus whenever it is cold? And you say this isn't inconvenient?

take your glove off for a couple seconds then.

You must not have read C up above. Here it is again:

c) even if we aren't wearing gloves, ever wonder why your fingers turn white in the cold...that's your blood withdrawing into the core of your hand to protect and heat the more important tissues and organs. There likely wouldn't be enough blood material on the surface of your hands to get an accurate reading.

:roll: yeah that would be impossible to work around. surely they could engineer the device to accommodate the warm and cold climates and the issues that arise.

Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

No doubt he would be fine with needles that drew a blood sample directly.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JS80
if they found right to killing babies in the constitution, i'm sure they'll find right to drive without this thing in it too.

Well placed partisan non-sequitur, I applaud you, good sir.

i try. i'm just responding to a ridiculous proposal with an equally ridiculous (but true) statement.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers


Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

:roll: you are being ridiculous. We can land spacecraft on other planets but we will never be able to figure out how to take a BAC reading when your hands are cold. :roll: :ROLL: :roll:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven


No doubt he would be fine with needles that drew a blood sample directly.

as long as the blood was saved and analyzed and the dna was logged and used against you when applying for jobs.

 

[Vic]

Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

The death of a thousand cuts is a death no less.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

Ahem... my use of slippery slope was valid. Your basis for confirming it was fallacious.

A threat to liberty is a threat to liberty. There are no bigger or smaller threats. All freedoms are equal.

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers


Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

:roll: you are being ridiculous. We can land spacecraft on other planets but we will never be able to figure out how to take a BAC reading when your hands are cold. :roll: :ROLL: :roll:

We should just teleport everywhere. That way there is no driving. Heck, why not do that now. It must be possible, we landed spacecraft on other planets.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers


Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

:roll: you are being ridiculous. We can land spacecraft on other planets but we will never be able to figure out how to take a BAC reading when your hands are cold. :roll: :ROLL: :roll:

We should just teleport everywhere. That way there is no driving. Heck, why not do that now. It must be possible, we landed spacecraft on other planets.

you would have a point there but teleportation doesnt exist. BAC readers have been around for years.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

Ahem... my use of slippery slope was valid. Your basis for confirming it was fallacious.

A threat to liberty is a threat to liberty. There are no bigger or smaller threats. All freedoms are equal.

where have you been man......this hasn't been a free country for a long long time.

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers


Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

:roll: you are being ridiculous. We can land spacecraft on other planets but we will never be able to figure out how to take a BAC reading when your hands are cold. :roll: :ROLL: :roll:

We should just teleport everywhere. That way there is no driving. Heck, why not do that now. It must be possible, we landed spacecraft on other planets.

you would have a point there but teleportation doesnt exist. BAC readers have been around for years.

Breath ones, that you admit woulnnt work.
Or blood ones.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

Ahem... my use of slippery slope was valid. Your basis for confirming it was fallacious.

A threat to liberty is a threat to liberty. There are no bigger or smaller threats. All freedoms are equal.

where have you been man......this hasn't been a free country for a long long time.

And you're part of the problem, it seems.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers


Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

:roll: you are being ridiculous. We can land spacecraft on other planets but we will never be able to figure out how to take a BAC reading when your hands are cold. :roll: :ROLL: :roll:

We should just teleport everywhere. That way there is no driving. Heck, why not do that now. It must be possible, we landed spacecraft on other planets.

you would have a point there but teleportation doesnt exist. BAC readers have been around for years.

Breath ones, that you admit woulnnt work.
Or blood ones.

Never said they wouldn't work. I just said they may be deemed to invasive for people. Blood ones exist already. Maybe its a 2 option system. So if your BAC through the steering wheel can't get a solid reading you can blow into the key. Most if not all car keys will be electronic by 2010 anyways. Don't see why a BAC reader couldn't be incorporated.

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: TravisT
The technology was said to happen on contact through your skin on the steering wheel. There would be no penalty to having this technology for those that didn't drive intoxicated. I would be in favor of having the technology to know that my safety is being looked after while i'm on the road. Afterall, many cases the drunken driver survives the fatality accident in which they caused.

This isn't about protecting the drunken drivers, because hoenstly, i don't care. I care about my child in the backseat of my car when the intoxicated person steps behind the wheel of a car.

Which won't work in any northern states in the winter.

people in the north east don't have hands in the winter?

a) I said North, not northeast
b) gloves are a necessity at the single digit and lower temperatures
c) even if we aren't wearing gloves, ever wonder why your fingers turn white in the cold...that's your blood withdrawing into the core of your hand to protect and heat the more important tissues and organs. There likely wouldn't be enough blood material on the surface of your hands to get an accurate reading.

d) if you think I'm gonna wait around for the car to heat and and my hands to get their blood back, and maybe miss work just because you (and other people like you) are trying to steer the system towards assuming I'm guilty before being proven innocent, then you're crazy.

take the bus then. you are assuming faults in a technology based on zero evidence of their validity. Can we start testing windows office 2012 for bugs before its been programmed?

Take the bus whenever it is cold? And you say this isn't inconvenient?

take your glove off for a couple seconds then.

You must not have read C up above. Here it is again:

c) even if we aren't wearing gloves, ever wonder why your fingers turn white in the cold...that's your blood withdrawing into the core of your hand to protect and heat the more important tissues and organs. There likely wouldn't be enough blood material on the surface of your hands to get an accurate reading.

:roll: yeah that would be impossible to work around. surely they could engineer the device to accommodate the warm and cold climates and the issues that arise.

Not enough blood is hard to "work around" You already admit breath wont work. Do you want us to stick our leg up to the wheel instead? How about a urine sample? It can test for other drugs at the same time!

No doubt he would be fine with needles that drew a blood sample directly.

What about cough medicine... would that set it off, or would they allow low levels of alcohol?

I have a way to solve DUI that is fool proof!!!
1st DUI = the needle... maybe then people would think twice.

BTW I would be against any sort of mechanism imposed by the Govt. Yay! We are too irresponsible/stupid to fix a problem without the Govt doing it for us! :disgust:

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

Ahem... my use of slippery slope was valid. Your basis for confirming it was fallacious.

A threat to liberty is a threat to liberty. There are no bigger or smaller threats. All freedoms are equal.

where have you been man......this hasn't been a free country for a long long time.

And you're part of the problem, it seems.

our government was sold to the highest bidder long ago. The people are powerless. We are now governed by corporations. But as everyone likes to say if you don't like America goto Libya and see how much you like it there!

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic
Screw it. Let's just turn the entire US into one big prison camp. Lockdowns, curfews, rationing, regular blood and urine screenings, constant surveillance, etc. Then we all be safer, right? :roll:

Are we not going that way anyways?

I love how people see this as a bigger threat to our liberties than the patriot act.

Ahem... my use of slippery slope was valid. Your basis for confirming it was fallacious.

A threat to liberty is a threat to liberty. There are no bigger or smaller threats. All freedoms are equal.

where have you been man......this hasn't been a free country for a long long time.

And you're part of the problem, it seems.

are governement was sold to the highest bidder long ago. The people are power less. We are now governed by corporations. But as everyone likes to say if you don't like america goto libya and see how much you like it there!

ooo big bad corporations

down with M$!!!

*whhhhhhhhhhhhp*

 

[exdeath]

Two things.

First, if that was mandatory in all cars, I would promptly disable it and remove it, probably in the first week I have the car, just about the same time I remove the speed limiter, tracking computers, etc. It's just more sh1t to break, more weight that isn't needed, and something I simply don't want on MY car no more than you don't want your house to be required by force of law to be purple and have handicap access. Other than the occasional Chianti with Italian pasta for dinner at home for the night, I don't even drink anyway.

Second, even if it was a mandatory add on only for offenders, similar to house arrest bracelets, they wouldn't work. Ever see 40 Yeah Old Virgin? Having friends blow or piss for you is far too common for anything like this to ever work.

We always talk about how drinking and driving is so bad, yet we feel bad for first and second time offenders and only want to let them off with a warning because we feel we should give 'normal people' "chances" to make mistakes?

If it's so serious, then mandate 3 months jail time and a suspended license for a year as bare minimum for even first time offenders. To keep from driving without a license, require that they turn their plates in for the duration or face more jail time. Make it a felony. Call it conspiracy to commit murder if you want. No mistakes allowed, tough sh1t. You can post the penalty on every case and keg of beer and at the checkout lines if you want. You can even require by law places that sell alcohol and agree to a license to inform the customer of the penalty and refuse the sale unless the customer responds with a simple acknowledgement. If we can put up with a 5 minute warranty and weekend sale script every time we buy blank DVD's at Best Buy, and we can put up with 5 minute instant checks to buy a gun, there is no reason we can require the 1 in 20 customers in line to be informed of the penalties for drinking and driving every time they buy a case of bud light. No excuses. No chances. No mistakes.

The safest thing is not to drink at all, but if you are a big guy and have a sip of beer at a party and think you should be allowed to drive, but fear the penalties, then perhaps the local police department would be more than happy to coordinate an officer on the block for an hour to assist in both securing peace and complimentary breath tests as people leave. Police departments are generally open to that sort of thing because it makes their job easier, keeps people safe and responsible, and ensures a tight cooperative community. Give it a try sometime.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Ben Franklin FTW

 

[SoylentG]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
That might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on OT.

Let's keep this moron going. I bet we can get him to say things far more stupid than that.

I'm sorry. It just seems like you're dmcowen the 2nd. I really didn't think anyone could just be such an ignorant, assumption-making ass.

You've failed to recognize sarsasm, you freaking dolt. You make vague connections with something and act like they're the same god damn thing. Drop the god damn kiddy porn argument, stupid. It didn't work on the first page, and it certainly didn't make you look like anything more than an idiot in the later pages.

Saying you'll violate the PRIVACY of someone's computer's contents is different than making someone BREATHE into an instrument.

Sure, the basic concept of "freedom" applies to both of those, but that's hardly an apples-apples comparison.

I'd bet that most people would agree that someone caught with kiddy porn on their computer should be required to have monitoring software. Nobody's contesting you because you're the internet equivalent of the insane homeless person with a sandwich board, screaming nonsense at passersby.

And you have the nerve to call someone else a moron.

GTFO my intarnets, fo I shoot yew wif mai twennytoo!

Bringin' out my damn inner hillbilly with your idiotic dribble...we're all dumber for having read your posts. May god have mercy on your soul.

 

[SoylentG]

Now, I didn't want to put a response in with the comments about the blithering idiot...

I feel that this technology would be appropriate. And you know where I'd get the money for it?
Those who were caught driving drunk.

I'm not talking about some $100 portion of the ticket or anything. In ADDITION to all fees already paid, they should have to pay a PERCENTAGE of their income towards installing these devices on all new cars(at bare minimum, buying the system for their own car). My thought behind the percentage being that those who have pretty high paying jobs, and are not worried about the small amount of money they're paying out for tickets; and only concerned with jailtime. This would make EVERYONE, regardless of income pay an equally painful sum.

Keep in mind, I don't go around trying to campaign for equal percentages on taxation, but for things that result in death for innocent people, I'm more than willing to bring the pain.

Anyhoo, I've felt for a long time that such an instrument should be required, along with a drivers license scanner. The license scanner would be a difficult one to implement, and would have other problems, but making sure the driver isn't drunk? ******. If it's reasonably reliable, it's a fantastic idea. I don't support making the innocent paying much (under $15 on a new car would be reasonable to me), thus the extra payment for convicted drunk drivers.

I fully, without exception support forcing those who have been convicted to install one of these systems. Glitchy or not, guess what? You were caught breaking the law. If you want a better detection system, you build one, finance one to be made. That's your problem.

If you haven't noticed, I'm a big beleiver in personal responsibility for actions. I figured people like Boberfett would need this in here, before they dedicate a multiple paragraph post to attacking that point. I really can't put anything stupid past the posters on these forums apparently. We've really got a solid group of retards hanging out here, eh?

 

[GregGreen]

And this why this country is going down the shitter

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/145842,CST-EDT-edits22a.article

i think they should really push for this technology to be mandatory in all cars like a seat belt and airbags

There is a thing in this country where when you're innocent of doing something, you shouldn't have to pay a penalty for it. I don't drink & drive, and I don't want to have to blow into some device just to start my car.

Besides, those things don't work right half the time. A colleague of mine had to put one in his car, and half the time it just plain doesn't work and he can't go anywhere.

So thanks, but I'll pass

you already are paying for the crimes of others. when many officers are asked to patrol during new years eve, st pattricks day, etc its not cheap to hire all those cops.

guess who is paying for it? the TAX PAYERS.

one way or another we'll be paying for drunk drivers.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

driving is not a right its a privilege........ next.........

It seems that when people want to crack down on anything driving related, they bring up the "priviledge not a right" thing. Yet when politicians want the public to pay for cars for welfare recipients, they say "the poor shouldn't be denied this right"

Choose one or the other.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng
Whoever opposes this is a selfish dick with no friend or relative, and with no concern for other people's safety and well-being.

Most socialist ideas are marketed this way. Fortunately in the USA, we have the right to deny them. Even if I just don't want to be bothered by your ideas, I can voice my opposition.

Luckily for you, if you want one of these on your car, you can purchase one.