Mad about Illegal immigration from Mexico? Blame the Catholic Church

[woolfe9999]

This problem extends far beyond Mexico and immigration. It involves overpopulation and a decrease in living standards worldwide (fewer resources per capita and higher prices for those resources).

Living standards are not declining world wide? You have a source for that claim? AFAIK, there has been a little decline in past couple years due to recession. Otherwise has been improving steadily for decades.

 

[Ktulu]

the catholic church makes it a sin to use birth control. for millions of people not sinning in the eye of God and their church is a big fucking deal.

Sure, except if you look at the old testament, i can't recall chapter/verse off the top of my head, it was already a sin to waste your seed. So its really nothing new.

 

[micrometers]

Living standards are not declining world wide? You have a source for that claim? AFAIK, there has been a little decline in past couple years due to recession. Otherwise has been improving steadily for decades.

maybe, but then there is a non-trivial chance that it might all collapse. For instance, to grow the amount of grain needed to feed the world depletes soil levels, and the CO2 from industrialization has a chance to catastrophically change the world's climate for the worse. Ultimately, it is stupid to just assume that the "green revolution" can keep pace to population growth.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Sweet moral dilemma for righties, on one hand you got killing off the unwashed poor,and for bonus points: brown people, on the other you got their favorite hypocritical view of the abortion issue. Win! *grabs popcorn * well played

Man how long did it take you to create that straw-man?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Living standards are not declining world wide? You have a source for that claim? AFAIK, there has been a little decline in past couple years due to recession. Otherwise has been improving steadily for decades.

It all depends on where you are in the world. In some parts, water shortages are becoming an issue.

Perhaps living standards are increasing a little bit in some places, but the point that people miss is that with lower population density, living standards would be higher. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the amount of resources on our planet is limited and that more people means having fewer resources. (Seen the price of oil lately? Arable land that can be used to grow food? Water supplies? Lumber?)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Living standards are not declining world wide? You have a source for that claim? AFAIK, there has been a little decline in past couple years due to recession. Otherwise has been improving steadily for decades.

I depends on where you are and what the expectations and definitions for "increased standard of living." Increased sanitation and food? Certainly, however that means a proportional increase in population.

One may argue that it's not a law of nature that it happen, however human history has demonstrated that populations expand to consume available resources. The tendency would be to put more people at risk and head towards the miserable lives they once endured. There are solutions of course but they are more or less unacceptable to most cultures living in poverty. Having a large family is often considered culturally desirable whether it's for social standing or having kin managing a farm and providing for family members as they age. Education would help but it runs counter to culture then the latter wins except in the very long term. An example I'll cite is female circumcision. Many erroneously assume that it's male dominance attempting to enforce fidelity, but that incorrect. It is men in many situations who are the progressive force against it while the women themselves steal their own daughters away to have this done as a right of passage. If something so obviously hurtful is supported, how is anyone going to convince people that they need to have fewer children who will then turn their parents out to let some imagined benign government to care for them?

Perhaps as bad or potentially worse is the idea that everyone should be Westerners, consuming things in excess that they don't need and only want because they are told they do. While consumerism may encourage technical progress I believe it is the ultimate Ponzi scheme based on the illusion of unlimited resources. At this time we are dealing with shortages of needed materials because they are indeed being used up. The idea that the environment can be modified to give allow the modern appetite for material goods to spread to one and all isn't realistic and indeed I believe our way of life is as deleterious as any adherence to religious tenets. We must stop being our things.

 

[shortylickens]

Retracted.


Speaking out against Undocumented Immigrants on this forum is racist.

 

[OutHouse]

Sure, except if you look at the old testament, i can't recall chapter/verse off the top of my head, it was already a sin to waste your seed. So its really nothing new.

Gen. 38:8 Then Judah said to Onan, 'Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her; raise up offspring for your brother.' 9 But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to see his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 10 What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Gen. 38:8 Then Judah said to Onan, 'Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her; raise up offspring for your brother.' 9 But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to see his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 10 What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

This is one of those situations where someone takes a quote and bends it to suit their needs. Considering that it's unlikely that Onan was first to spank the monkey, the probable reason for God's ire was his disobedience, otherwise the entire male population and most of the opposite sex as well would have been struck dead long ago according to the convoluted thinking required.