OK heres what you should ask yourself:
Is the fancy design and OS X worth the extra money to you. Obviously a Mac can run windows, but a PC can run OS X (illegally, but it is technically possible) too.
There is no answer, Macs are for some people and not for others..... Hence the flamewar.
Is the fancy design and OS X worth the extra money to you. Obviously a Mac can run windows, but a PC can run OS X (illegally, but it is technically possible) too.
There is no answer, Macs are for some people and not for others..... Hence the flamewar.
Don't ask if the software works.
Ask if he has a copy of XP that he can install on it. If so he can easily use parrellels and get 100% compatability with all Windows XP applications, at least for anything that doesn't require hardware acceleration.
That's why we have VMs now.
For people that never have seen parrellels in action here is a video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbt9upE6hpM
He switches between OS X, Windows XP, and Redhat desktops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbt9upE6hpM
He switches between OS X, Windows XP, and Redhat desktops.
My personal favorite, hanging in my office
http://www.ear-fung.us/2006/07/20/microsoft-to-apple-stop-making-fun-of-us/Originally posted by: stash
My personal favorite, hanging in my office
:laugh:
The MacBooks were just updated to Merom CPUs, get one
People tend to say that you need THE reason to buy a Mac (and the same people often only accept "design" as an answer). However the OS interface or sheer curiosity are good reasons, too.
Objective advantages of OS X are p.e. the easy install and deinstall proces or that OS X hasn't been targeted by malware so far. A website that tries to compare OS X and Windows XP is here: xvsxp.com. You may disagree in some details but it's well detailed overall.
Subjective advantages... Well one thing I never liked about Windows are keyboard shortcuts. They are fragmentarily implemented and non-uniform meanwhile on OS X they are part of the human interface guidelines. Then again some people can't imagine to work with only one mouse button or with trackpad gestures.
By the way, the only video freeware without fullscreen feature is Quicktime Player and there are about half a dozen hacks out there to fix this.
People tend to say that you need THE reason to buy a Mac (and the same people often only accept "design" as an answer). However the OS interface or sheer curiosity are good reasons, too.
Objective advantages of OS X are p.e. the easy install and deinstall proces or that OS X hasn't been targeted by malware so far. A website that tries to compare OS X and Windows XP is here: xvsxp.com. You may disagree in some details but it's well detailed overall.
Subjective advantages... Well one thing I never liked about Windows are keyboard shortcuts. They are fragmentarily implemented and non-uniform meanwhile on OS X they are part of the human interface guidelines. Then again some people can't imagine to work with only one mouse button or with trackpad gestures.
By the way, the only video freeware without fullscreen feature is Quicktime Player and there are about half a dozen hacks out there to fix this.
Quick comparison:
MBP 17" from apples website : $2799.00
HP 17" from HP's website : $1559.99
These are as close as I can get to the 17" MBP from HP, the biggest difference is the MBP does have the 2.33 C2D whereas the HP's top out at 2.0
EDIT: Dell charges 425 more for the 2.33 over 2.0 C2D for comparison.
EDIT 2: An Inspirion E1705 w/ a similar configuration is $2447, thats with the 2.16 processor. The XPS notebook with a similar configuration was well into 3k, so that looks like the biggest rip off around.
MBP 17" from apples website : $2799.00
HP 17" from HP's website : $1559.99
These are as close as I can get to the 17" MBP from HP, the biggest difference is the MBP does have the 2.33 C2D whereas the HP's top out at 2.0
EDIT: Dell charges 425 more for the 2.33 over 2.0 C2D for comparison.
EDIT 2: An Inspirion E1705 w/ a similar configuration is $2447, thats with the 2.16 processor. The XPS notebook with a similar configuration was well into 3k, so that looks like the biggest rip off around.
And of course you picked the most expensive version of Macbook pro to compare to other models, which isn't fair. Everybody knows it's obvious that if you look at the top of the line of anything it's going to be expensive. Look at the top of the line of Leveno's stuff. It's like a 3-4 grand laptop.
In reality the difference between something like a HP vs a Apple is closer to 500 dollars. With closest equivelent HP you have a slower video card, slower CPU and it's slightly heavier. So in laptop-land this pretty much evens everything out. You can't realy overclock or upgrade the cpu to easily and weight is something that people who need their stuff to be mobile is important.
The main advantage to the HP has in price is that you can pick up a low-end model for less then 600 dollars.
But if you want something that is as fast as a macbook pro then the price difference isn't realy that big. The main advantage then is for the macbook because you can run XP and OS X vs the HP were your only going to run XP.
But personally I say screw XP and screw Apple. Their licensing is worse then Microsoft's Vista (which makes it ironic that people are threatening to desert to Apple over the new EULA). I wanna a System76 (ubuntu) or Rcubed (fedora) laptop.
In reality the difference between something like a HP vs a Apple is closer to 500 dollars. With closest equivelent HP you have a slower video card, slower CPU and it's slightly heavier. So in laptop-land this pretty much evens everything out. You can't realy overclock or upgrade the cpu to easily and weight is something that people who need their stuff to be mobile is important.
The main advantage to the HP has in price is that you can pick up a low-end model for less then 600 dollars.
But if you want something that is as fast as a macbook pro then the price difference isn't realy that big. The main advantage then is for the macbook because you can run XP and OS X vs the HP were your only going to run XP.
But personally I say screw XP and screw Apple. Their licensing is worse then Microsoft's Vista (which makes it ironic that people are threatening to desert to Apple over the new EULA). I wanna a System76 (ubuntu) or Rcubed (fedora) laptop.
To much effort for that sort of BS.
Plus if I had a laptop with XP I wouldn't get rid of XP, it's not like I feel dirty from using XP or anything like that and if I ended up needing it for whatever reason then it's cheaper for me to get it from Dell with a laptop or whatnot then from newegg. Although I'd probably uninstall it to safe disk space.
Plus if I had a laptop with XP I wouldn't get rid of XP, it's not like I feel dirty from using XP or anything like that and if I ended up needing it for whatever reason then it's cheaper for me to get it from Dell with a laptop or whatnot then from newegg. Although I'd probably uninstall it to safe disk space.
You know what..I just converted from PC to MAC. There is not whole lot of difference. It is all hype..Both OSs are giving you the functionalities you need unless you are video editor or gamer. MAC is not a gamer, PC is ugly etc.
Go to an Apple store test drive a MAC and decide yourself. Do not stress over to much. Good lck..
Go to an Apple store test drive a MAC and decide yourself. Do not stress over to much. Good lck..
Wait, you mean the XNU kernel isn't just the Linux kernel? But it's got Linux in it, I think they got it from the FreeBSD Linux distribution.
:Þ
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As a long time Linux user, I'm seriously thinking about switching to mac. My problem is I am cost prohibited. I have a great PC now, so I would need to at least match it in terms of performance. That means selling my current pc, or waiting a good while to have disposable income for something I really don't need, just want. If I could just buy a copy of OSX, I'd already be trying out a mac.
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Wow, lets be really strict on interpretations. Ok I'll write it out fully for you in small words you can understand.
If I could buy a retail copy of Apple's OSX operating system that could be installed on my existing hardware without hacks, modifications, license violations, or any other effort greater then installing windows XP(an operating system made by the microsoft corp) or ubuntu (I would like to point out that this is a linux distro) on my pc, I would be able to try the operating system out now and perhaps be more likely to buy a computer made by apple in the future. But this is not currently possible, so I am hesitant to make the switch because I refuse to by lessor hardware then the hardware I currently own.
jackass
If I could buy a retail copy of Apple's OSX operating system that could be installed on my existing hardware without hacks, modifications, license violations, or any other effort greater then installing windows XP(an operating system made by the microsoft corp) or ubuntu (I would like to point out that this is a linux distro) on my pc, I would be able to try the operating system out now and perhaps be more likely to buy a computer made by apple in the future. But this is not currently possible, so I am hesitant to make the switch because I refuse to by lessor hardware then the hardware I currently own.
jackass
There is nothing to interpret. You wrote that if you could buy a copy of Mac OS X, and you can.
Thanks, as a Linux user I need small words.
Lesser in which way? In the fact it can run just about any x86 based operating system out there unlike the hardware you currently have? Or in some other way?
It's the Linux in me.
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Is there fundamental thing that OSX can do and Windows XP cannot?
Or is there one that Windows XP can and OSX cannot?
Yes- You can install XP on any computer made in last 10 yrs.
Or is there one that Windows XP can and OSX cannot?
Yes- You can install XP on any computer made in last 10 yrs.
I have a few computers made within the last 10 years that XP will not install on. A few of them even run OS X.
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