MA considering raising the gas tax 27 cents/gallon

[CPA]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Sawyer
They will do both eventually. Every toll I have ever seen is supposed to be temporary to pay for something, but it never works.

A lot of people seem to think that, but I've never heard the government claim that any tolls would be temporary.

In Houston, back in the 80s we had a huge tollway loop built around the city on the promise that the tolls would only be active until the construction bonds were paid off. Guess what? Bonds are paid off and tolls didn't disappear. Quite the contrary, they are now discussing raising the rates again.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

And he keeps voting in big spending libs like Obama.. exactly.. suck it down, you voted for it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Sawyer
http://news.bostonherald.com/n...e/srvc=home&position=1


I suppose the chip is to make sure drivers are not crossing state lines to get it much cheaper, what a damn joke. And the with the outrageous toll prices and putting tolls on the border, damn when will it end?

The gas tax is a substitution to raising tolls and adding additional tolls.

Fuck tolls. Massachusetts is a small state and should be able to keep its infrastructure up and running without nickel and diming everyone to death. Other states do it quite well without tolls. If they want to use a gas tax to keep their infrastructure up and running, fine, but the tracking/chip is overkill and a violation of privacy.

The chip is not a violation of privacy.

It is tracking a vehicle which has been given permission by the state to use the infrastructure. It is not tracking a person.

One does not have to register the vehicle or inspect it.
If you choose to take the risk of running afoul of MA laws, that is your choice.

From what I've heard about Massachusetts, there are many areas where it is impractical to avoid all toll roads. Besides, considering that the owner of a vehicle is the person driving in most cases, the effect of this IS an invasion of privacy. Inspecting and registering a vehicle is reasonable and does not constitute and invasion of privacy, but tracking someone's movements IS, which is what this system will effectively do.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Sawyer
http://news.bostonherald.com/n...e/srvc=home&position=1


I suppose the chip is to make sure drivers are not crossing state lines to get it much cheaper, what a damn joke. And the with the outrageous toll prices and putting tolls on the border, damn when will it end?

The gas tax is a substitution to raising tolls and adding additional tolls.

Which is bullshit, why should those who don't use them have to pay more for gas tax?

Because you live in Taxachusetts and have to pay for Romneycare.

/facepalm

Taxes in that state are insane. However, do you have any link to back up that the gas tax is somehow allocated for health benefits?

Don't hold your breath...
He done trolled and run again.

I don't know about mass...but my state likes to raid the transportation fund on a regular basis to pay for the general and education fund. Then when the roads fall apart they say that the transportation fund doesn't have enough revenues.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

I thought thats what tolls were for in the first place...to make people just trying to drive through your state pay for its roads.

They work too. I'd rather pay a toll then get off the interstate and drive an extra hour through some bum fuck town.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Sawyer
They will do both eventually. Every toll I have ever seen is supposed to be temporary to pay for something, but it never works.

A lot of people seem to think that, but I've never heard the government claim that any tolls would be temporary.

Actually we had a toll road that had a 20 year toll on it and guess what?

We don't have anymore tolls on the road.

Use to be Route 44 going to the oceanfront Virginia Beach VA.

Know it is renamed as part of the interstate US 264

Never heard of any other toll coming off of a road except that one though

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

Piss off Red. You chose to live in Massachusetts. Suck it up.

 

[KK]

Stupid morons up there deserve it. They vote the retards in, let them deal with it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Sawyer
http://news.bostonherald.com/n...e/srvc=home&position=1


I suppose the chip is to make sure drivers are not crossing state lines to get it much cheaper, what a damn joke. And the with the outrageous toll prices and putting tolls on the border, damn when will it end?

The gas tax is a substitution to raising tolls and adding additional tolls.

Fuck tolls. Massachusetts is a small state and should be able to keep its infrastructure up and running without nickel and diming everyone to death. Other states do it quite well without tolls. If they want to use a gas tax to keep their infrastructure up and running, fine, but the tracking/chip is overkill and a violation of privacy.

The chip is not a violation of privacy.

It is tracking a vehicle which has been given permission by the state to use the infrastructure. It is not tracking a person.

One does not have to register the vehicle or inspect it.
If you choose to take the risk of running afoul of MA laws, that is your choice.

From what I've heard about Massachusetts, there are many areas where it is impractical to avoid all toll roads. Besides, considering that the owner of a vehicle is the person driving in most cases, the effect of this IS an invasion of privacy. Inspecting and registering a vehicle is reasonable and does not constitute and invasion of privacy, but tracking someone's movements IS, which is what this system will effectively do.

The toll roads in MA are the Mass Pike (I90) and the tunnels from the Airport to downtown Boston. They used to have on on Rt 1 on the Mystic bridge (unsure if it is still there) into Boston.

To get to the airport, then 3 of 4 roads requires tolls.
To get into the Boston area from the West requires use of a toll road or US20 or Rt 2.

Toll roads are not required.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

Piss off Red. You chose to live in Massachusetts. Suck it up.

Well I guess it could have been worse, it could have been Minn. No wonder you are such a miserable bastard, having to live there.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

But instead, people who commute from CT to Mass get to pay income tax on services they may never receive.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

But instead, people who commute from CT to Mass get to pay income tax on services they may never receive.

Well let them move to MA or stay in CT and work.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

But instead, people who commute from CT to Mass get to pay income tax on services they may never receive.

Well let them move to MA or stay in CT and work.

So you hate all the people from CT just because they might not be buying gas in MA? Even though they pay tons of income tax to the state? For services they will never use and can't vote on?

 

[Dulanic]

I live in MA, work in RI, guess where I will get gas?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zorba

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jersiq

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

But instead, people who commute from CT to Mass get to pay income tax on services they may never receive.

Well let them move to MA or stay in CT and work.

So you hate all the people from CT just because they might not be buying gas in MA? Even though they pay tons of income tax to the state? For services they will never use and can't vote on?

I don't hate them, just trying to soak them for more money so we don't have to pay it, not that it will ever happen.

You can bet your sweet ass that this gas tax wouldn't have ever been mentioned if gas was still around $3.50 a gal.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Dulanic
I live in MA, work in RI, guess where I will get gas?

Kind of like people in MA doing their shopping in NH so they don't have to pay sales tax.

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Dulanic
I live in MA, work in RI, guess where I will get gas?

Kind of like people in MA doing their shopping in NH so they don't have to pay sales tax.

Since I live towards RI, I resort to Amazon most the time lol. Except clothing and groceries.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

Piss off Red. You chose to live in Massachusetts. Suck it up.

Well I guess it could have been worse, it could have been Minn. No wonder you are such a miserable bastard, having to live there.

Who's miserable? You're the one bitching about people not paying your taxes for you, you cheap bastard.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

Piss off Red. You chose to live in Massachusetts. Suck it up.

Well I guess it could have been worse, it could have been Minn. No wonder you are such a miserable bastard, having to live there.

Who's miserable? You're the one bitching about people not paying your taxes for you, you cheap bastard.

Come on Bitter Bob, you can't tel me you aren't miserable SOB when all you do is whine like a little bitch in every thread you post in and then chastise others for complaining about having to pay gas taxes, especially after we just got done getting bent over by the oil companies.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Sawyer
http://news.bostonherald.com/n...e/srvc=home&position=1


I suppose the chip is to make sure drivers are not crossing state lines to get it much cheaper, what a damn joke. And the with the outrageous toll prices and putting tolls on the border, damn when will it end?

The gas tax is a substitution to raising tolls and adding additional tolls.

Fuck tolls. Massachusetts is a small state and should be able to keep its infrastructure up and running without nickel and diming everyone to death. Other states do it quite well without tolls. If they want to use a gas tax to keep their infrastructure up and running, fine, but the tracking/chip is overkill and a violation of privacy.

The chip is not a violation of privacy.

It is tracking a vehicle which has been given permission by the state to use the infrastructure. It is not tracking a person.

One does not have to register the vehicle or inspect it.
If you choose to take the risk of running afoul of MA laws, that is your choice.

From what I've heard about Massachusetts, there are many areas where it is impractical to avoid all toll roads. Besides, considering that the owner of a vehicle is the person driving in most cases, the effect of this IS an invasion of privacy. Inspecting and registering a vehicle is reasonable and does not constitute and invasion of privacy, but tracking someone's movements IS, which is what this system will effectively do.

The toll roads in MA are the Mass Pike (I90) and the tunnels from the Airport to downtown Boston. They used to have on on Rt 1 on the Mystic bridge (unsure if it is still there) into Boston.

To get to the airport, then 3 of 4 roads requires tolls.
To get into the Boston area from the West requires use of a toll road or US20 or Rt 2.

Toll roads are not required.

3/4 roads to get to an airport? Damn. Talk about overuse of toll roads. I'd say that is excessive. However, my position still stands. The government should not be allowed to track you even by proxy in your vehicle unless they have a warrant. Having an rfid unit to signal to a passing booth to charge your account is not especially Orwellian, but when 3/4 of your major roads require them, it is a step in the wrong direction. Besides, what I read from the article is that those in Massachusetts will not have a choice on whether or not to have these units. If you were given a choice in that state of opting-in, then I would have no problem. Damn I'm glad I don't live/drive in that state.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
They should charge all those from NH and Connecticut who work in MA a Toll just to enter the state as those fuckers won't be buying gas in MA yet they'll use the roads.

Cry more.

Troll more:roll:

Piss off Red. You chose to live in Massachusetts. Suck it up.

Well I guess it could have been worse, it could have been Minn. No wonder you are such a miserable bastard, having to live there.

Who's miserable? You're the one bitching about people not paying your taxes for you, you cheap bastard.

Pay your fair share.

 

[Ozoned]

Sheesh, it's just 27 cents.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Come on Bitter Bob, you can't tel me you aren't miserable SOB when all you do is whine like a little bitch in every thread you post in and then chastise others for complaining about having to pay gas taxes, especially after we just got done getting bent over by the oil companies.

Sorry, what did you say? I couldn't hear you over the sobbing.