M-16 might start to be replaced with new weapon made by HK by 2005

[Karsten]

This system also allows the weapon to fire more than 15,000 rounds without lubrication or cleaning in even the worst operational environments. A cold hammer forged barrel will guarantee a minimum of 20,000 rounds service life

Now that has to make some people happy

Good old German Engineering

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
It's about time.

I fired a earlier version of the M16 back in 71. The one and only time I fired it on "rock and roll" I got off three rounds before it jammed.

And THIS was with a rifle FRESH from the armorer. (clean)

I wasn't even born in 71, old man. My dad was in the Army around the same time, he'd be delighted to hear about the XM-8.

I've fired M16's fully automatic MANY times. It rarely jammed on me. I've fired lots of different kinds of sub-machine guns on full auto, and the m-16 is more stable than alot of others.

Probably big differences from the one he fired back in 71 and the ones you were firing. The M-16 has had a horrible reputation in Vietnam due to it's jamming, and has undergone many revisions to make it more stable over the decades.

 

[Chaotic42]

They should lower the M-16s spin to increase lethality.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
It's about time.

I fired a earlier version of the M16 back in 71. The one and only time I fired it on "rock and roll" I got off three rounds before it jammed.

And THIS was with a rifle FRESH from the armorer. (clean)

I wasn't even born in 71, old man. My dad was in the Army around the same time, he'd be delighted to hear about the XM-8.

I've fired M16's fully automatic MANY times. It rarely jammed on me. I've fired lots of different kinds of sub-machine guns on full auto, and the m-16 is more stable than alot of others.

I haven't had experience firering a lot of guns, so I can't compare, but EVERY time I've fired an M16 it has jammed (within 1-2 clips).

MAGAZINE!!!!

 

[TallBill]

I've fired a decent amount of rounds from an M16A2. Works fine for me.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
They should lower the M-16s spin to increase lethality.

And what spin rate/ammo combo would you suggest?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
It's about time.

I fired a earlier version of the M16 back in 71. The one and only time I fired it on "rock and roll" I got off three rounds before it jammed.

And THIS was with a rifle FRESH from the armorer. (clean)

Well, come on. The only people in Vietnam who liked the A1's were the REMFs that had to carry a rifle but never ended up firing it, since it is a lot lighter than a M14.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
They should lower the M-16s spin to increase lethality.

And what spin rate/ammo combo would you suggest?

The new spin rates are about 1:7. I'd say a spin rate of 1:12. It would be less accurate but would cause more damage.

<---Talking out of his behind

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
It's about time.

I fired a earlier version of the M16 back in 71. The one and only time I fired it on "rock and roll" I got off three rounds before it jammed.

And THIS was with a rifle FRESH from the armorer. (clean)

I wasn't even born in 71, old man. My dad was in the Army around the same time, he'd be delighted to hear about the XM-8.

I've fired M16's fully automatic MANY times. It rarely jammed on me. I've fired lots of different kinds of sub-machine guns on full auto, and the m-16 is more stable than alot of others.

Probably big differences from the one he fired back in 71 and the ones you were firing. The M-16 has had a horrible reputation in Vietnam due to it's jamming, and has undergone many revisions to make it more stable over the decades.

It wasn't just the early M-16 that was garbage...it was the rounds they were putting through those rifles. The powder was crap.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
They should lower the M-16s spin to increase lethality.

And what spin rate/ammo combo would you suggest?

The new spin rates are about 1:7. I'd say a spin rate of 1:12. It would be less accurate but would cause more damage.

<---Talking out of his behind

Accuracy would go to crap with the heavy bullets being used.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: K1052
Accuracy would go to crap with the heavy bullets being used.

So give an "urban assault" version the 1:12 spin ratio, with a lighter bullet with more surface area, to be used at ranges of less than 100 yards.

Like I said, I'm just throwing stuff out.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
They should lower the M-16s spin to increase lethality.

And what spin rate/ammo combo would you suggest?

The new spin rates are about 1:7. I'd say a spin rate of 1:12. It would be less accurate but would cause more damage.

<---Talking out of his behind

Well, the USA had better start buying new ammo. M855 (current standard ball ammo for the M16/M4) does funny things when it gets fired out of a 1:12 barrel. Like starting to yaw at 90 yards and hitting paper sideways at 100 yards (in 18"-24" groups, if you are lucky enough to get it on paper). Basically, you are going to need a shorter, which implies lighter, round. Which isnt a problem... if all you plan to shoot at is prairie dogs. But usually they arent much of a threat, so the US Army doesnt spend much time developing weapons platforms to engage them in combat. I dont see why they should start now.

While going back to 7.62 (or 30-06 ) isnt the best move, sticking with 5.56mm sure isnt the best move either, IMO. It is never going to be a dependable single shot takedown round, especially with the restrictions imposed on military rounds (no hollowpoints). The move to go to rifles with shorter barrels only makes this worse.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Mookow
While going back to 7.62 (or 30-06 ) isnt the best move, sticking with 5.56mm sure isnt the best move either, IMO. It is never going to be a dependable single shot takedown round, especially with the restrictions imposed on military rounds (no hollowpoints). The move to go to rifles with shorter barrels only makes this worse.

Do any of our enemies recognize the hollow-point ban?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: K1052
Accuracy would go to crap with the heavy bullets being used.

So give an "urban assault" version the 1:12 spin ratio, with a lighter bullet with more surface area, to be used at ranges of less than 100 yards.

Like I said, I'm just throwing stuff out.

If you are going to be using seperate parts for a specifically short range weapon, why not pick up something like the MP5 in 10mm? Much better performance at close range.

Not that I actually think it is a good idea to begin with. But if you are going to do it...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Mookow
While going back to 7.62 (or 30-06 ) isnt the best move, sticking with 5.56mm sure isnt the best move either, IMO. It is never going to be a dependable single shot takedown round, especially with the restrictions imposed on military rounds (no hollowpoints). The move to go to rifles with shorter barrels only makes this worse.

Do any of our enemies recognize the Geneva Convention?

Fixed. To answer the question... some of them. And even then, the 5.56mm is not the best choice, IMO. And if you are going to be switching weapons platforms anyway... why stick with crap?

 

[K1052]

Just give me a FN M3M .50 mounted on anything armored and I would be set.

 

[zillafurby]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
It's about time.

I fired a earlier version of the M16 back in 71. The one and only time I fired it on "rock and roll" I got off three rounds before it jammed.

And THIS was with a rifle FRESH from the armorer. (clean)

I wasn't even born in 71, old man. My dad was in the Army around the same time, he'd be delighted to hear about the XM-8.

I've fired M16's fully automatic MANY times. It rarely jammed on me. I've fired lots of different kinds of sub-machine guns on full auto, and the m-16 is more stable than alot of others.

how many palestinians copped it when you were doing this?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Mookow
Fixed. To answer the question... some of them. And even then, the 5.56mm is not the best choice, IMO. And if you are going to be switching weapons platforms anyway... why stick with crap?

Well, I meant "Do any of our enemies respect the ban on hollow point bullets?"

 

[zillafurby]

Originally posted by: Karsten

This system also allows the weapon to fire more than 15,000 rounds without lubrication or cleaning in even the worst operational environments. A cold hammer forged barrel will guarantee a minimum of 20,000 rounds service life

Now that has to make some people happy

Good old German Engineering

HK are English you foo, BAe pwned them for over 10 years now.

 

[bigredguy]

Maybe one of these days the Navy will upgrade their M-14s.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: zillafurby

Originally posted by: Karsten

This system also allows the weapon to fire more than 15,000 rounds without lubrication or cleaning in even the worst operational environments. A cold hammer forged barrel will guarantee a minimum of 20,000 rounds service life

Now that has to make some people happy

Good old German Engineering

HK are English you foo, BAe pwned them for over 10 years now.

Yes, they were bought by British Aerospace. That has nothing to do with who designs the weapons.

English small arms have not been something to be proud of for some time now. See the SA80 for further info.
Even HK could not fix that one.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: bigredguy
Maybe one of these days the Navy will upgrade their M-14s.

why, it is a proven combat rifle. Excellent knock down power and great range.

 

[XMan]

Should have bought the ZF-1 . . .

Voila: the ZF-1. It's light. Handle's adjustable for easy carrying; good for righties and lefties. Breaks down into 4 parts, undetectable by x-ray; ideal for quick, discreet interventions. A word on firepower. Three thousand round clip with bursts of 3 to 300. With the Replay button (another Zorg invention) it's even easier. One shot, and Replay sends every following shot to the same location. And to finish the job, all the Zorg oldies but goldies. Rocket launcher. Arrow launcher, with explodin' and poisonous gas heads. Very practical. Our famous net launcher. The ALWAYS efficient flame-thrower. My favorite. And for the Grand Finale, the all new "Ice Cube System."

- Gary Oldman, The 5th Element

 

[bigredguy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: bigredguy
Maybe one of these days the Navy will upgrade their M-14s.

why, it is a proven combat rifle. Excellent knock down power and great range.

And heavy, with a slow rate of fire.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: bigredguy

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: bigredguy
Maybe one of these days the Navy will upgrade their M-14s.

why, it is a proven combat rifle. Excellent knock down power and great range.

And heavy, with a slow rate of fire.

But accurate and BIG stopping power.

I trained on a M14 first.

Given the choice, I would have taken it over the M16 any day!