Lysol / spray disinfectant: This might blow your mind, but...

[CZroe]

Is this really an issue?

It seems. OP noticed multiple people mixing them up and misusing them and some have even emerged in this thread. Now we know. The world is a better place.

 

[highland145]

What?! That was supposed to be retribution for crossing me and you weren't even annoyed?! YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW ANGRY THAT MAKES ME!

Sorry, I took it as a FB "like."

I don't FB.

can you put it back?

 

[Darwin333]

Who says I'm breathing anything in? I spray right before I leave. I don't want to breath that crap, or anything that is sprayed. My deodorant I spray and walk away from where it was I was using it. Same with cologne and air freshener and really anything.

Though sometimes, like, say, after I find a pile of diarrhea from the dog, I will spray while I'm cleaning it up, because that is a godawful smell and risking death by chemical bombardment of the area seems worth it.

If only I could have done that with my two children....

 

[HeXen]

I don't use that crap and it's a blue moon if I get sick.

 

[Ichinisan]

lol figured it was the sister before I read the thread.

You know me too well. Frightening.

...but she hasn't been in my state for a couple years now. I've noticed everyone else in my area does it too.

 

[highland145]

You know me too well. Frightening.

...but she hasn't been in my state for a couple years now. I've noticed everyone else in my area does it too.

Must be a GA thing.


Granted, I clean the house and my office so I don't have that problem.

 

[mpo]

Don't use Lysol to clean the lady parts, either.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...-disinfectant-as-birth-control-218734/?no-ist

 

[Strk]

So you just made up some bullshit to try to sound smart. Cool story.

What did I make up? That disinfectants only disinfect a very small amount of things? That they require a certain method to be used correctly? Mind you, I only posted Lysol.

I guess I'm confused as to what I made up.

 

[Rakehellion]

What did I make up?

This part:

That disinfectants only disinfect a very small amount of things? That they require a certain method to be used correctly? Mind you, I only posted Lysol.

Neither of those things are true.

 

[turtile]

What did I make up? That disinfectants only disinfect a very small amount of things? That they require a certain method to be used correctly? Mind you, I only posted Lysol.

I guess I'm confused as to what I made up.

Lysol and other "disinfectants" don't disinfect anything because they are actually disinfestants. They only clean the surface of objects.

Disinfectants are products that cure living organisms from disease causing organisms (like prescribed antibiotics)

I use Lysol on my cutting tools because it kills most organisms and it doesn't damage the steel like bleach.

 

[Meghan54]

I didn't really think of it as a contention, but merely the whole claim of kills 99.9% of germs is usually a very tiny group of select bacteria, viruses and fungus (and occasionally protozoa).

And as far as using it correctly, I'm sure some do, but I'm more confident that most do a spray, swipe and done method of cleaning.

Two things.....

Lysol's claim of killing 99.9% of viruses, fungi and bacteria rests upon the qualifier in their statement, "....kill 99.9% of the viruses and bacteria your family comes in contact with every day. When used as directed."

So, Lysol isn't claiming it can and will kill 99.9% of all viruses, bacteria and fungi, just those commonly found.

And what are those? They include:

Enterovirus 68 (EVD68, EV-D68, HEV68)
Avian Influenza A (H1N1)
Avian Influenza A Virus (H3N2)
Influenza A Virus (New Caledonia/20/99), Influenza B Virus (Strain B/Hong Kong/5/72)
Rhinovirus Type 39: the leading cause of the common cold
Rotavirus WA: the leading cause of infectious diarrhea in children
Respiratory Syncytial Virus-(RSV): the leading cause of lower respiratory infection in children
Hepatitis A Virus
Poliovirus Type 1
Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 & Type 2
Coxsackie Type B3 Virus
Feline calicivirus (Norovirus)
Staphylococcus aureus (Staph)
Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)
Streptococcus pyogenes (Strep)
Escherichia coli O157:H7 (E. coli)
Salmonella enterica (Salmonella)
Campylobacter jejuni
Klebsiella pneumoniae
Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus faecalis (VRE)
Listeria monocytogenes
Pseudomonas aeruginosa
Aspergillus niger (mold & mildew)
Trichophyton mentagrophytes (Athlete's Foot Fungus)
Penicillium chrysogenum


Pretty good list for a general use household disinfectant.


And as for the spray, wipe, dry sequence of use you put forth as possibly incorrect use, that's the way you use it properly, although I'd wager most people don't let the stuff sit long enough between spraying and wiping. Lysol suggests letting the spray stand 30 sec. to 3 min. before wiping and letting dry.



Personally, I hate Lysol's smell. And I'm not a germophobe that believes everything should be cleaned to the point of attempting sterility on surfaces in my house.....we've got dogs and cats; any attempt at trying to achieve the above would border on futility, if not stupidity.

 

[Strk]

Two things.....

Lysol's claim of killing 99.9% of viruses, fungi and bacteria rests upon the qualifier in their statement, "....kill 99.9% of the viruses and bacteria your family comes in contact with every day. When used as directed."

So, Lysol isn't claiming it can and will kill 99.9% of all viruses, bacteria and fungi, just those commonly found.

And what are those? They include:

Enterovirus 68 (EVD68, EV-D68, HEV68)
Avian Influenza A (H1N1)
Avian Influenza A Virus (H3N2)
Influenza A Virus (New Caledonia/20/99), Influenza B Virus (Strain B/Hong Kong/5/72)
Rhinovirus Type 39: the leading cause of the common cold
Rotavirus WA: the leading cause of infectious diarrhea in children
Respiratory Syncytial Virus-(RSV): the leading cause of lower respiratory infection in children
Hepatitis A Virus
Poliovirus Type 1
Herpes Simplex Virus Type 1 & Type 2
Coxsackie Type B3 Virus
Feline calicivirus (Norovirus)
Staphylococcus aureus (Staph)
Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)
Streptococcus pyogenes (Strep)
Escherichia coli O157:H7 (E. coli)
Salmonella enterica (Salmonella)
Campylobacter jejuni
Klebsiella pneumoniae
Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus faecalis (VRE)
Listeria monocytogenes
Pseudomonas aeruginosa
Aspergillus niger (mold & mildew)
Trichophyton mentagrophytes (Athlete's Foot Fungus)
Penicillium chrysogenum


Pretty good list for a general use household disinfectant.


And as for the spray, wipe, dry sequence of use you put forth as possibly incorrect use, that's the way you use it properly, although I'd wager most people don't let the stuff sit long enough between spraying and wiping. Lysol suggests letting the spray stand 30 sec. to 3 min. before wiping and letting dry.



Personally, I hate Lysol's smell. And I'm not a germophobe that believes everything should be cleaned to the point of attempting sterility on surfaces in my house.....we've got dogs and cats; any attempt at trying to achieve the above would border on futility, if not stupidity.

Lysol is one of the better ones. Some companies have a very short list from their 99.9%. That's why I said follow the asterisk.

 

[Ichinisan]

Lysol is one of the better ones. Some companies have a very short list from their 99.9%. That's why I said follow the asterisk.

They pretty much all use the same active ingredient in the same proportions.

 

[Rakehellion]

Lysol and other "disinfectants" don't disinfect anything because they are actually disinfestants. They only clean the surface of objects.

Disinfectants are products that cure living organisms from disease causing organisms (like prescribed antibiotics)

I use Lysol on my cutting tools because it kills most organisms and it doesn't damage the steel like bleach.

An antiseptic is not the same thing as an antibiotic.

 

[Rakehellion]

Two things.....

Lysol's claim of killing 99.9% of viruses, fungi and bacteria rests upon the qualifier in their statement, "....kill 99.9% of the viruses and bacteria your family comes in contact with every day. When used as directed."

So, Lysol isn't claiming it can and will kill 99.9% of all viruses, bacteria and fungi, just those commonly found.

And what are those? They include:

The list is not exhaustive. It's only for people who are worried about a specific one. Lysol and other disinfectants destroy microbes on a physical level, so there isn't much that can escape.

And as for the spray, wipe, dry sequence of use you put forth as possibly incorrect use, that's the way you use it properly, although I'd wager most people don't let the stuff sit long enough between spraying and wiping. Lysol suggests letting the spray stand 30 sec. to 3 min. before wiping and letting dry.

You don't really need to let it sit at all. The isopropanol works by drying. Though letting it "soak" into a surface might release some dried/embedded grime.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

 

[turtile]

An antiseptic is not the same thing as an antibiotic.

Where did I say that? I wrote that Lysol is a DisinFESTant and not a DisinFECTant like it says on the label.

 

[destrekor]

Where did I say that? I wrote that Lysol is a DisinFESTant and not a DisinFECTant like it says on the label.

Um, no.

The term disinfestant is almost universally used for removing populations of vermin or pests.

And as for disinfectant:

dis·in·fect·ant
ˌdisənˈfektənt/
noun
1.
a chemical liquid that destroys bacteria.
synonyms: antiseptic, germicide, sterilizer, cleanser, decontaminant; fumigant
"vinegar is a natural disinfectant"
adjective
1.
causing the destruction of bacteria.
"cleansing and disinfectant products"

 

[turtile]

Um, no.

The term disinfestant is almost universally used for removing populations of vermin or pests.

And as for disinfectant:

dis·in·fect·ant
ˌdisənˈfektənt/
noun
1.
a chemical liquid that destroys bacteria.
synonyms: antiseptic, germicide, sterilizer, cleanser, decontaminant; fumigant
"vinegar is a natural disinfectant"
adjective
1.
causing the destruction of bacteria.
"cleansing and disinfectant products"

Yes, it's used incorrectly which is why it isn't used in science.

Only living organism can be inFECTed. You say that a house is infested with rats. Non infected because a house is not an organism.

 

[mpo]

Yes, it's used incorrectly which is why it isn't used in science.

Only living organism can be inFECTed. You say that a house is infested with rats. Non infected because a house is not an organism.

PubMed seems to disagree with you. "Disinfest*" gets 215 hits; "disinfect*" gets 79,795 hits.

The CDC web page doesn't seem to have a problem with disinfect, either.

 

[destrekor]

PubMed seems to disagree with you. "Disinfest*" gets 215 hits; "disinfect*" gets 79,795 hits.

The CDC web page doesn't seem to have a problem with disinfect, either.

I think the problem here is expecting a stagnant language, when in fact, English is an ever-evolving language.

http://www.amazon.com/Garners-Moder...r_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454278393&sr=1-14

I have that and love it. Haven't looked to see what it says on the matter, but it has plenty of instances of word and grammar changes that have become perfectly acceptable and in fact the new rule, but also plenty of others that show when they aren't accepted, or somewhere in between. It has a really neat guide to show how changes are accepted or not.

 

[mpo]

I think the problem here is expecting a stagnant language, when in fact, English is an ever-evolving language.

http://www.amazon.com/Garners-Moder...r_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454278393&sr=1-14

I have that and love it. Haven't looked to see what it says on the matter, but it has plenty of instances of word and grammar changes that have become perfectly acceptable and in fact the new rule, but also plenty of others that show when they aren't accepted, or somewhere in between. It has a really neat guide to show how changes are accepted or not.

Sure, I agree with you. But, looking up the etymology of disinfectant, it is a loan word from French. It has been used as a noun since 1837, an adjective since 1875. Not exactly a newly coined word.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=disinfectant&allowed_in_frame=0

 

[destrekor]

Sure, I agree with you. But, looking up the etymology of disinfectant, it is a loan word from French. It has been used as a noun since 1837, an adjective since 1875. Not exactly a newly coined word.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=disinfectant&allowed_in_frame=0

What I spoke about isn't the idea of it being a newly coined word. I am talking about how word usage changes over time. A word can mean or be spelled one thing two hundred years ago, but has changed today. What was at first some word used in the wrong way, has on occasion become the newly accepted definition. It happens, relatively often. Plenty of examples in the book I referenced.

 

[Rakehellion]

Sure, I agree with you. But, looking up the etymology of disinfectant, it is a loan word from French. It has been used as a noun since 1837, an adjective since 1875. Not exactly a newly coined word.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=disinfectant&allowed_in_frame=0

There's a difference between being intelligent and being pedantic. Right now you're making the wrong choice.

What I spoke about isn't the idea of it being a newly coined word. I am talking about how word usage changes over time. A word can mean or be spelled one thing two hundred years ago, but has changed today. What was at first some word used in the wrong way, has on occasion become the newly accepted definition. It happens, relatively often. Plenty of examples in the book I referenced.

Bingo.

Even medical terms fall out of use over time.