Lyric-wise, is there an antithesis to SOAD and Rage Against the Machine - mainstream or not?

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That's why I hate labels and trying to categorize things. They have dark lyrics, yes. But their guitar/bass use are more akin to a punk/hardcore style.

I rarely pay attention to lyrics. I categorize on music style instead of lyrical content.

By "nothing punk about it," I was talking about the music. Their guitar/bass isn't punk/hardcore.

Let me get a feel for what you think is punk/hardcore. Name a band that you think is hardcore punk.

I don't really listen to either genre much so I admittedly tend to lump things together. But to answer your question, I lump bands like Pennywise, The Dead Kennedy's, Buzzcocks, Green Day, The Misfits, and early stuff from Offspring into "punk".

Hardcore to me is stuff like Snot, Primer 55, Rollins Band, and Dillinger Escape Plan. And Mudvayne.

Labeling them as that is probably as offensive to you as somebody labeling Mudvayne as death metal is to me.

Dimmu Borgir, Celtic Frost, Nile and the like are death metal.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Gregorian Chant is pro-bush!

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
You guys hate SOAD, RATM, Beastie Boys, etc not because of the activism in their music but because they don't believe in the same things you do.

I'd recommend Toby Keith, as another poster pointed out.

I, or any other poster, never said we hated them. We just don't care for their lyrics. And whether it's activism or hate on their part, we just don't agree fundementally. Like I said, I still listen to them, I just drown out what their message is. My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Gregorian Chant is pro-bush!

uh, you didn't capitalize bush. should I assume it's not the bush I was expecting?

 

[CPA]

I just thought of another, though he's hardly metal or punk, but he does incorporate rock in his songs and is hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America:

Kid Rock.

 

[eigen]

Why dont you try SkrewDriver or the band Burzum.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: eigen
Why dont you try SkrewDriver or the band Burzum.

checked out the lyrics, SkrewDriver looks to be a neo-nazi skinhead band (not what I was looking for) and with Burzum I couldn't tell what the hell their lyrics meant.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Gregorian Chant is pro-bush!

uh, you didn't capitalize bush. should I assume it's not the bush I was expecting?

Only important names are capitalized.

And SOAD is very religiously driven as they are muslim.

Gregorian chant is awesome. I suggest buying the Benedictine Monks of Santo Domingo de Silos.

If you want great lyrics, you'll have to get away from punk, and check out Assemblage 23. The songs Pages, Cocoon, Dissappoint, Let me be your armour, Away, and Document.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: eigen
Why dont you try SkrewDriver or the band Burzum.

checked out the lyrics, SkrewDriver looks to be a neo-nazi skinhead band (not what I was looking for) and with Burzum I couldn't tell what the hell their lyrics meant.

Oh I kinda thought thats what you are going for.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: eigen
Why dont you try SkrewDriver or the band Burzum.

checked out the lyrics, SkrewDriver looks to be a neo-nazi skinhead band (not what I was looking for) and with Burzum I couldn't tell what the hell their lyrics meant.

Oh I kinda thought thats what you are going for.

sigh....

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: CPA
My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

"there were..."

anyway, maybe the reason that arguements are popping up is because of quotes like this:

hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America

equating pro-Bush with pro-America, and implying the antithesis (anti-Bush with anti-America) is pretty offensive for those of us who just happen to think that Bush is a crap President. if you were sincere in your OP, maybe it would be a bit easier to believe you if you didn't list the Nuge as an example. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" "Cat Scratch Fever" etc doesn't scream personal responsibility, positive outlook, etc. you like his politics. fine.

it's insincere to denegrate music as anti-social, angsty, anti-government simply because it doesn't jive with your beliefs. there's much more truth to the claim that rage/soad/nothingface/lamb of god/etc are trying to bring about a positive change by drawing attention to wrongs that they have seen committed.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: CPA
My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

"there were..."

anyway, maybe the reason that arguements are popping up is because of quotes like this:

hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America

equating pro-Bush with pro-America, and implying the antithesis (anti-Bush with anti-America) is pretty offensive for those of us who just happen to think that Bush is a crap President. if you were sincere in your OP, maybe it would be a bit easier to believe you if you didn't list the Nuge as an example. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" "Cat Scratch Fever" etc doesn't scream personal responsibility, positive outlook, etc. you like his politics. fine.

it's insincere to denegrate music as anti-social, angsty, anti-government simply because it doesn't jive with your beliefs. there's much more truth to the claim that rage/soad/nothingface/lamb of god/etc are trying to bring about a positive change by drawing attention to wrongs that they have seen committed.

you missed my point and you've misconstrued my OP.

Kid Rock is very Pro-Bush and Pro-America. Never did I say the two were not mutually exclusive. Also, I didn't denegrate anything. Again, I enjoySOAD's, and to an extent, RATM's music, I just don't enjoy their message. Simple, is that so hard to understand? I don't see the same things as they do and I am trying to find out if there are bands or singers out there that think the same as I do. Who knows if I would even buy the album, as this the OP was more out of curiosity than anything else.

You are correct, though, about Nugent's old music not advocating personal responsibility. I also said, though, he was the closest thing I could come up with as he met some of the criteria. Same with Creed who does advocate personal responsibility, constitutional rights, but interjects too much religion to meet exactly what I was looking for.

Really, folks, I didn't think this would be too hard.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: CPA
My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

"there were..."

anyway, maybe the reason that arguements are popping up is because of quotes like this:

hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America

equating pro-Bush with pro-America, and implying the antithesis (anti-Bush with anti-America) is pretty offensive for those of us who just happen to think that Bush is a crap President. if you were sincere in your OP, maybe it would be a bit easier to believe you if you didn't list the Nuge as an example. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" "Cat Scratch Fever" etc doesn't scream personal responsibility, positive outlook, etc. you like his politics. fine.

it's insincere to denegrate music as anti-social, angsty, anti-government simply because it doesn't jive with your beliefs. there's much more truth to the claim that rage/soad/nothingface/lamb of god/etc are trying to bring about a positive change by drawing attention to wrongs that they have seen committed.

you missed my point and you've misconstrued my OP.

Kid Rock is very Pro-Bush and Pro-America. Never did I say the two were not mutually exclusive. Also, I didn't denegrate anything. Again, I enjoySOAD's, and to an extent, RATM's music, I just don't enjoy their message. Simple, is that so hard to understand? I don't see the same things as they do and I am trying to find out if there are bands or singers out there that think the same as I do. Who knows if I would even buy the album, as this the OP was more out of curiosity than anything else.

You are correct, though, about Nugent's old music not advocating personal responsibility. I also said, though, he was the closest thing I could come up with as he met some of the criteria. Same with Creed who does advocate personal responsibility, constitutional rights, but interjects too much religion to meet exactly what I was looking for.

Really, folks, I didn't think this would be too hard.

In know tons of metal/hardcore band that fits waht you are looking for...I am just not gonna tell you because I dont want you to buy their album which in turns helps them out..which then lets them make more albums that I dont agree with.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: CPA
My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

"there were..."

anyway, maybe the reason that arguements are popping up is because of quotes like this:

hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America

equating pro-Bush with pro-America, and implying the antithesis (anti-Bush with anti-America) is pretty offensive for those of us who just happen to think that Bush is a crap President. if you were sincere in your OP, maybe it would be a bit easier to believe you if you didn't list the Nuge as an example. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" "Cat Scratch Fever" etc doesn't scream personal responsibility, positive outlook, etc. you like his politics. fine.

it's insincere to denegrate music as anti-social, angsty, anti-government simply because it doesn't jive with your beliefs. there's much more truth to the claim that rage/soad/nothingface/lamb of god/etc are trying to bring about a positive change by drawing attention to wrongs that they have seen committed.

you missed my point and you've misconstrued my OP.

Kid Rock is very Pro-Bush and Pro-America. Never did I say the two were not mutually exclusive. Also, I didn't denegrate anything. Again, I enjoySOAD's, and to an extent, RATM's music, I just don't enjoy their message. Simple, is that so hard to understand? I don't see the same things as they do and I am trying to find out if there are bands or singers out there that think the same as I do. Who knows if I would even buy the album, as this the OP was more out of curiosity than anything else.

You are correct, though, about Nugent's old music not advocating personal responsibility. I also said, though, he was the closest thing I could come up with as he met some of the criteria. Same with Creed who does advocate personal responsibility, constitutional rights, but interjects too much religion to meet exactly what I was looking for.

Really, folks, I didn't think this would be too hard.

In know tons of metal/hardcore band that fits waht you are looking for...I am just not gonna tell you because I dont want you to buy their album which in turns helps them out..which then lets them make more albums that I dont agree with.

lol, that philosophy is exactly why I don't buy Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

 

[biostud]

Linkin park?

Well, my guess is that screaming down a microphone just doesn't feel right if the lyrics is about love'n stuff.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: CPA
My intent of this thread was not to argue about the message, per se, but whether their were bands that had the opposite message.

"there were..."

anyway, maybe the reason that arguements are popping up is because of quotes like this:

hardcore pro-Bush, pro-America

equating pro-Bush with pro-America, and implying the antithesis (anti-Bush with anti-America) is pretty offensive for those of us who just happen to think that Bush is a crap President. if you were sincere in your OP, maybe it would be a bit easier to believe you if you didn't list the Nuge as an example. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" "Cat Scratch Fever" etc doesn't scream personal responsibility, positive outlook, etc. you like his politics. fine.

it's insincere to denegrate music as anti-social, angsty, anti-government simply because it doesn't jive with your beliefs. there's much more truth to the claim that rage/soad/nothingface/lamb of god/etc are trying to bring about a positive change by drawing attention to wrongs that they have seen committed.

you missed my point and you've misconstrued my OP.

Kid Rock is very Pro-Bush and Pro-America. Never did I say the two were not mutually exclusive. Also, I didn't denegrate anything. Again, I enjoySOAD's, and to an extent, RATM's music, I just don't enjoy their message. Simple, is that so hard to understand? I don't see the same things as they do and I am trying to find out if there are bands or singers out there that think the same as I do. Who knows if I would even buy the album, as this the OP was more out of curiosity than anything else.

You are correct, though, about Nugent's old music not advocating personal responsibility. I also said, though, he was the closest thing I could come up with as he met some of the criteria. Same with Creed who does advocate personal responsibility, constitutional rights, but interjects too much religion to meet exactly what I was looking for.

Really, folks, I didn't think this would be too hard.

In know tons of metal/hardcore band that fits waht you are looking for...I am just not gonna tell you because I dont want you to buy their album which in turns helps them out..which then lets them make more albums that I dont agree with.

lol, that philosophy is exactly why I don't buy Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

Cool.Then you understand.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: biostud
Linkin park?

Well, my guess is that screaming down a microphone just doesn't feel right if the lyrics is about love'n stuff.

valid point.

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CPA
So, I was trying to think of punk/hardcore/metal bands that deliver the opposite message - mainly less angst, more positive outlook on life, taking personal responsibility

Surely you're joking

I suggest you stop looking because such bands do not exist. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that its not possible for them to exist. The best you could hope for is bands which don't sing about political things. But know that even if they don't sing about it, the still hold the same beliefs as SOAD or RATM.
Case in point...APC. Someone mentioned they were not political....watch this video of theirs and then come back and tell me otherwise.
unsv://nsv.stream.aol.com/uvox?cachefile=/aol/us/aolmusic/artists/emi/aperfectcircle/aperfectcircle_imagine_350.nsv (its a streaming winamp video)

I suggest you try death metal or rammstein. The still sing about things you don't like, but at least you won't be able to understand their lyrics...

If you would have read my entire post rather than skim it, you would have seen my recommendation to ignore the eMOTIVe CD, as its just a bunch of political covers. Their other 2 CDs aren't political.

 

[BigPoppa]

edit: DP for the win!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Hmm ... this is tough ....
Off the top of my head .... the only Metal song that comes to mind is Metal Church - The Final Word (off of the CD - The Human Factor). Great CD all around IMO, though you have to be tolerant of 80s metal style singing to enjoy it.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CPA
So, I was trying to think of punk/hardcore/metal bands that deliver the opposite message - mainly less angst, more positive outlook on life, taking personal responsibility

Surely you're joking

I suggest you stop looking because such bands do not exist. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that its not possible for them to exist. The best you could hope for is bands which don't sing about political things. But know that even if they don't sing about it, the still hold the same beliefs as SOAD or RATM.
Case in point...APC. Someone mentioned they were not political....watch this video of theirs and then come back and tell me otherwise.
unsv://nsv.stream.aol.com/uvox?cachefile=/aol/us/aolmusic/artists/emi/aperfectcircle/aperfectcircle_imagine_350.nsv (its a streaming winamp video)

I suggest you try death metal or rammstein. The still sing about things you don't like, but at least you won't be able to understand their lyrics...

If you would have read my entire post rather than skim it, you would have seen my recommendation to ignore the eMOTIVe CD, as its just a bunch of political covers. Their other 2 CDs aren't political.

Sorry if it came out wrong, what I meant to say is that even if these groups don't sing about political things (and I have APC's stuff, I know its not about politics), the views of the artists aren't much different from SOAD/RATM.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Hmm ... this is tough ....
Off the top of my head .... the only Metal song that comes to mind is Metal Church - The Final Word (off of the CD - The Human Factor). Great CD all around IMO, though you have to be tolerant of 80s metal style singing to enjoy it.

EDIT:

Hmm, the band "Living Sacrifice" is a christian metal band. I am far from a Christian, however, their tunes are pretty decent.

 

[alm4rr]

you don't have to prescribe to a band's belief system to enjoy their music...........

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: alm4rr
you don't have to prescribe to a band's belief system to enjoy their music...........

He doesn't give a damn about their beliefs, its the lyrics. Lyrics are pretty prevalent in modern music, aye?

 

[alm4rr]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa

Originally posted by: alm4rr
you don't have to prescribe to a band's belief system to enjoy their music...........

He doesn't give a damn about their beliefs, its the lyrics. Lyrics are pretty prevalent in modern music, aye?

For these two bands, they are one in the same