Lyric-wise, is there an antithesis to SOAD and Rage Against the Machine - mainstream or not?

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Early November - Their first cd more then their second - punk lil hardcore
Rufio - just listened to some of their singles not sure which cd though - hardcore/punk
Brand New - any cd is good - punk
Stuff you might like: not punk/hardcore/metal just feel good party music - I like to call it driving music
Dispatch
O.A.R.

HAHAHAHAHA, Rufio...hardcore punk...HAHAHAHAHA. They're emo. I like them, but they're not hardcore.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Mudvayne is pretty non-political and has a similar...feel...to SOAD.

Mudvayne? really?

Mudvayne is not akin to SOAD musically. Much more "death-metal" edge IMO.

- M4H

It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

Hatebreed is also a band to look at - many of their lyrics push the message that you are responsible for what you are and that you have to stand up for what you believe in.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

I suppose depending on your persception of it and your comparasion ... Dig is definitely not "punk" though.

- M4H

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Mudvayne is pretty non-political and has a similar...feel...to SOAD.

Mudvayne? really?

Mudvayne is pretty cool, but they're really not RAtM or SoaD-esque in their music.

I think you're pretty much SOL trying to find positive or neutral music similiar in style. I just listen to them for the music and laugh a bit to myself as they get all worked up over conspiracies and "the man" keeping us down. It's funner that way, and I still get to enjoy the new Green Day album immensely without ever wanting to go protest anything with a bunch of do-nothing, wannabe "activists."

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
Early November - Their first cd more then their second - punk lil hardcore
Rufio - just listened to some of their singles not sure which cd though - hardcore/punk
Brand New - any cd is good - punk
Stuff you might like: not punk/hardcore/metal just feel good party music - I like to call it driving music
Dispatch
O.A.R.

HAHAHAHAHA, Rufio...hardcore punk...HAHAHAHAHA. They're emo. I like them, but they're not hardcore.

I guess I never got all the music labelings down

Pretty good though

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

Hatebreed is also a band to look at - many of their lyrics push the message that you are responsible for what you are and that you have to stand up for what you believe in.

There is nothing punk/hardcore about it. They're alternative metal. Do you people even know what punk is?

 

[CalvinHobbes]

Mudvayne is not akin to SOAD musically. Much more "death-metal" edge IMO.

I don't think Mudvayne is death metal sounding at all. When I think of death metal I think of Cradle of Filth or something like that.

Pennywise might suit your needs. The newer albums are better IMO.
What about AFI?

I LOVE finding new (to me) bands but there are so many releases and they're too expensive to buy them all. Occasionally I'll just check out amazon and listen to the short clips trying to find something new.

Some sites can give you the "You may also like" or "similar artists" but I find those to be pretty bad sometimes.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

Hatebreed is also a band to look at - many of their lyrics push the message that you are responsible for what you are and that you have to stand up for what you believe in.

There is nothing punk/hardcore about it. They're alternative metal. Do you people even know what punk is?

I'm so Punk, I'm not.

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
Some sites can give you the "You may also like" or "similar artists" but I find those to be pretty bad sometimes.

What was that site called? Musicplasma?

- M4H

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

Hatebreed is also a band to look at - many of their lyrics push the message that you are responsible for what you are and that you have to stand up for what you believe in.

There is nothing punk/hardcore about it. They're alternative metal. Do you people even know what punk is?

That's why I hate labels and trying to categorize things. They have dark lyrics, yes. But their guitar/bass use are more akin to a punk/hardcore style.

I rarely pay attention to lyrics. I categorize on music style instead of lyrical content.

 

[giguana]

i've heard some christian rock bands that are pretty hard musically speaking...can't think of names...but they're out there

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Hankerton

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Hankerton

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I can't think of one. Part of the reason the recent beastie boyz CD sucked me was because they felt the need to feed their juvenile political outlook on their listeners. It was so irritating.

exactly. They ruin otherwise good music with their annoying political lyrics.

You want a positive message, listen to some of that EMO Jesus loving crap that somehow people consider music.

I don't mean to come off insulting, but at this point, I've drawn a line in the sand with Bush supporters.

then leave the thread. I wasn't looking for an argument about my beliefs, just if anyone knew of any bands with the opposite message of those that I listed. And I don't necessarily think that SAOD and RATM are anti-religious as much as they are what I've already listed.

And btw, while it shouldn't matter, I am not a religious person in any sense. But, I do own a few christian speed metal albums because I love the riffs and music. don't care much for the lyrics, though.

I apologize CPA, I kind of stepped out of line by my last comment. I guess I just have that "always question the answers" mentality.

Back to your topic though, I thought you might really like Killswitch Engage. They have some AWESOME riffs on "The End of Heartache" and although they may not be "positive", they don't have any kind of political/religious influence.

thanks. I've heard of them, but haven't listened to them. I'll take a listen.

 

[ggnl]

Some of the old school hardcore/oi punk kind of qualifies. They are still very anti-establishment, but they believed in having pride in your country and heritage as well as respect for hard work and accountability. If anything they have a populist message.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Mudvayne is pretty non-political and has a similar...feel...to SOAD.

Mudvayne? really?

Mudvayne is not akin to SOAD musically. Much more "death-metal" edge IMO.

- M4H

It's a punk/hardcore style. Certainly not "Death metal".

Hatebreed is also a band to look at - many of their lyrics push the message that you are responsible for what you are and that you have to stand up for what you believe in.

Thanks. That's what I was trying to get out of my question.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Mudvayne is pretty non-political and has a similar...feel...to SOAD.

Mudvayne? really?

Mudvayne is pretty cool, but they're really not RAtM or SoaD-esque in their music.

I think you're pretty much SOL trying to find positive or neutral music similiar in style. I just listen to them for the music and laugh a bit to myself as they get all worked up over conspiracies and "the man" keeping us down. It's funner that way, and I still get to enjoy the new Green Day album immensely without ever wanting to go protest anything with a bunch of do-nothing, wannabe "activists."

I take the same approach, basically. You almost have to in order to listen to music nowadays. I also like Green Day, even my kids do.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: ggnl
Some of the old school hardcore/oi punk kind of qualifies. They are still very anti-establishment, but they believed in having pride in your country and heritage as well as respect for hard work and accountability. If anything they have a populist message.

Interesting. recall any of the name?

 

[BigPoppa]

According to musicplasma.com:

Similar to SOAD with the qualities you want:
Disturbed, Chevelle, Trapt, Godsmack

Similar to RATM:
Nine Inch Nails, Tool, A Perfect Circle, Godsmack, Disturbed.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: ggnl
Some of the old school hardcore/oi punk kind of qualifies. They are still very anti-establishment, but they believed in having pride in your country and heritage as well as respect for hard work and accountability. If anything they have a populist message.

Interesting. recall any of the name?

The Dropkick Murphys are probably the most well known.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That's why I hate labels and trying to categorize things. They have dark lyrics, yes. But their guitar/bass use are more akin to a punk/hardcore style.

I rarely pay attention to lyrics. I categorize on music style instead of lyrical content.

By "nothing punk about it," I was talking about the music. Their guitar/bass isn't punk/hardcore.

Let me get a feel for what you think is punk/hardcore. Name a band that you think is hardcore punk.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: ggnl
Some of the old school hardcore/oi punk kind of qualifies. They are still very anti-establishment, but they believed in having pride in your country and heritage as well as respect for hard work and accountability. If anything they have a populist message.

Interesting. recall any of the name?

The Dropkick Murphys are probably the most well known.

How are they old school? They formed in 1995.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: CPA
So, I was trying to think of punk/hardcore/metal bands that deliver the opposite message - mainly less angst, more positive outlook on life, taking personal responsibility

Surely you're joking

I suggest you stop looking because such bands do not exist. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that its not possible for them to exist. The best you could hope for is bands which don't sing about political things. But know that even if they don't sing about it, the still hold the same beliefs as SOAD or RATM.
Case in point...APC. Someone mentioned they were not political....watch this video of theirs and then come back and tell me otherwise.
unsv://nsv.stream.aol.com/uvox?cachefile=/aol/us/aolmusic/artists/emi/aperfectcircle/aperfectcircle_imagine_350.nsv (its a streaming winamp video)

I suggest you try death metal or rammstein. The still sing about things you don't like, but at least you won't be able to understand their lyrics...

 

[sygyzy]

You guys hate SOAD, RATM, Beastie Boys, etc not because of the activism in their music but because they don't believe in the same things you do.

I'd recommend Toby Keith, as another poster pointed out.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: ggnl
Some of the old school hardcore/oi punk kind of qualifies. They are still very anti-establishment, but they believed in having pride in your country and heritage as well as respect for hard work and accountability. If anything they have a populist message.

Interesting. recall any of the name?

The Dropkick Murphys are probably the most well known.

How are they old school? They formed in 1995.

Thats a matter of semantics. Their style is traditional even if the band is only 10 years old.

 

[giguana]

Breaking Benjamin has a similar sound to Mudvayne and SOAD...i would say their lyrics are pro-establisment or anything like that...but they definately don't have a negative political message.

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: giguana
Breaking Benjamin has a similar sound to Mudvayne and SOAD...i would say their lyrics are pro-establisment or anything like that...but they definately don't have a negative political message.

whaaa? try similar to 3 Days Grace, Crossfade, Default, Staind, and other, um, *quality* bands