LulzSec Brought down by own leader

[JimKiler]

As much economic damage this group is responsible for... they are still small potatoes. You cause a company to lose some money and one of the stockholders is a senator... well you are fucked... or will be when you get to prison.

Meanwhile... the Chinese are controlling the Jet Propulsion Lab through all their installed exploits.... and are also likely enjoying all the research coming out of Sandia Labs among other places.

They will get more prison time than murderers because it is the federal government. When you break the law make sure it is not a federal law unless you like to rot in jail longer than murderers and rapists.

Rudder you hit the nail on the head. Besides Lulz was forcing websites to strengthen themselves even if they were doing it to the detriment of others.

 

[alkemyst]

or is it a setup
did they frame a n00b or is it real

There is no honor between thieves.

Hackers in the past were usually not.

I was caught up in the Great Hacking War between MoD and LoD back decades ago. FBI, AT&T, etc at times. No one sold another 'hacker' out until that point. Things went out of control and in the end the masses turned on those being asshats.

Things like Lutzifer, TCHH, QSD, altgiers, the 407 phone bridge, etc are very nostalgic to me.

Hell back then you could just walk into a CO building and learn a ton of stuff. Now they have major locks and defenses.

Now hacking like everything is always about profiting for most of the people and sadly at the expense of their neighbor.

The 'low road' is so easy today if you are willing to hurt or exploit others. Back in the 80's you could easily make 4-5 figures just 'carding' wheels and tires and computers/parts. You'd ask for overnight shipping, have them shipped to a home esp. a vacant home, and the next day the shipper just left things at the front or back door. No signatures, no address verification, easy pickings for the unethical and criminal.

I am glad I always choose the high road.

 

[OlafSicky]

So the government runs this guy for months to entrap more people. How do we know they didn't start the whole thing and run him form the beginning. This whole thing is disgusting.

 

[Wyndru]

Holy fuck. They found him last summer and they have had him working for the FBI ever since. Wow.

They probably gave him a job. Back in the mid 90's they broke up a hacker ring in my college, and the leader of that was basically "awarded" with a high paying govt. security job after he served his shortened sentence.

So there you go kids! Start hacking, it's the only way to get a good job

 

[Saint Nick]

I like that they say they lost billions of dollars in damage. How?

 

[Paul98]

for the ultimate lulz LOL

 

[SagaLore]

Never mind. We're on different pages and it's not worth either of ours time to explain it

You're right, we are. LulzSec existed to be mischievous, not to make a point, not to help anybody. I work in the IT Security industry. Nothing on the web is truly secure; the only way to "fix" it is to start over. With everything. Hardware, compilers, operating systems, protocols, applications - the entire education system. LulzSec wasn't around to spread awareness, they just wanted to piss some people off and scare others.

A general code of ethics is the only thing saving us from complete self-destruction. This isn't just about virtual services. If a group of kids go storming through a neighborhood and start breaking into houses because the house isn't an impenetrable fortress, and spraying paint all over the walls and furniture for "the lulz", do we thank them for showing us how weak our defenses are, or do we hunt them down? I get that we're past the era where we can keep our doors unlocked, but nothing is stopping someone who wants to get in.

 

[SagaLore]

I like that they say they lost billions of dollars in damage. How?

Lost potential revenue, increased expenses. They do tend to over-exaggerate the figures though. :hmm:

 

[Ns1]

A general code of ethics is the only thing saving us from complete self-destruction. This isn't just about virtual services. If a group of kids go storming through a neighborhood and start breaking into houses because the house isn't an impenetrable fortress, and spraying paint all over the walls and furniture for "the lulz", do we thank them for showing us how weak our defenses are, or do we hunt them down?

It's your fault your house has Windows.

 

[FoBoT]

It's your fault your house has Windows.

oh! pwned
my House has linux

 

[Broheim]

It's your fault your house has Windows.

:awe:

 

[AMDZen]

LOLz @ the government

So they catch 5 (6 including informant) guys that are part of 100's and possibly 1000's and they say:

“This is devastating to the organization,” said an FBI official involved with the investigation. “We’re chopping off the head of LulzSec.”

Their ignorance, it knows no bounds.

This is like busting a few guys crossing into mexico with coke or weed and saying "this is devistating the mexican cartels" "We are winning the war on drugs"

LOLz

 

[AMDZen]

I like that they say they lost billions of dollars in damage. How?

The same way they grab "millions of dollars" of weed when the actual street value is like 10,000

Its their way of hyping everything

 

[GotIssues]

I like that they say they lost billions of dollars in damage. How?

They had to hire two new people for an increase of $250k in payroll in perpetuity. Assuming 3% wage inflation and they wanted to be reasonable, they only carried out costs to about 200 years. Otherwise, the article would say "They cost the companies infinity billion dollars in revenue," which would just be ridiculous.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I don't think the nerds perpetuating these attacks every really consider the possibility that the FBI might come knocking on their door. Why other nerds romanticize them like some kind of Robin Hood is beyond me. I'm a software engineer that maintains over 30 ecommerce sites. Some ass hat penetrating our network and wiping our databases or causing some other kind of malicious damage is no different than someone coming in here and vandalizing our physical office space. In fact, vandalizing physical assets would probably be cheaper for us. These hackers can go to jail like any other criminal, only their asshole is probably considerably more vulnerable than your typical inmate, so they should probably consider that.

 

[waggy]

is anyone surprised he did that?

 

[Beev]

I don't think the nerds perpetuating these attacks every really consider the possibility that the FBI might come knocking on their door. Why other nerds romanticize them like some kind of Robin Hood is beyond me. I'm a software engineer that maintains over 30 ecommerce sites. Some ass hat penetrating our network and wiping our databases or causing some other kind of malicious damage is no different than someone coming in here and vandalizing our physical office space. In fact, vandalizing physical assets would probably be cheaper for us. These hackers can go to jail like any other criminal, only their asshole is probably considerably more vulnerable than your typical inmate, so they should probably consider that.

I'm certainly sorry for the techs that have to deal with it, but I'm very, VERY much not sorry for the corporations it happens too. In fact, I wish it were far worse.

 

[janas19]

I like that they say they lost billions of dollars in damage. How?

Yeah, right.

Any reason why he sold them out? Article's mum.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If you can't trust a hacker doing things for the lulz, who can you trust?

 

[ussfletcher]

Yeah, right.

Any reason why he sold them out? Article's mum.

Plea bargain, probably.

 

[leeland]

Yeah, right.

Any reason why he sold them out? Article's mum.

His kids...it mentions that in one of the several articles I read.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I'm certainly sorry for the techs that have to deal with it, but I'm very, VERY much not sorry for the corporations it happens too. In fact, I wish it were far worse.

And just why the hell do you feel that way? I work for a $2B/yr company that employs thousands of people. Some hacker that causes serious damage to our operation can cost me and many others our jobs. You do realize corporations are the collective efforts of thousands of ordinary people, right? I collect a good salary, retirement, and health care from this company.

 

[janas19]

His kids...it mentions that in one of the several articles I read.

Fuck the chillunz jp jp.

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

I still say these fuckers were morons.
There's a profitable market for individuals & companies to test the security used by other companies.
Instead of doing this out of malicious intent or shock value, they should have cashed in on their skills, then played the consulting role on stepping up companies' security.

 

[Beev]

And just why the hell do you feel that way? I work for a $2B/yr company that employs thousands of people. Some hacker that causes serious damage to our operation can cost me and many others our jobs. You do realize corporations are the collective efforts of thousands of ordinary people, right? I collect a good salary, retirement, and health care from this company.

I have no problem with "casualties of war." If, hypothetically, some hacker group took down some huge pharma corporation or Best Buy, or any of our banks, then I'm sorry for those people that lost their jobs. But sorry, WORTH IT.