LulzSec Brought down by own leader

[Miramonti]

Sounds like Hammond was brought down by his own need to share personal info about himself. People just gotta talk.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

Lol.

Did you buy into their douchbaggery nonsense that was disguised as a "movement" just like a lot of other idiots? They went from one "idea" to another like it's the cool thing to do, which proves there never was any movement. They were a bunch of teenage-20 something year old Internet trolls who decided it would be fun to screw up a bunch of stuff while they throw around a few fancy words with some videos to get the "I don't belong but I wanna feel accepted so I'll join a cause" lamers. They trolled so hard and hooked people so easily that they actually had people out in real life on Wall Street. They bought into a fake movement like mindless sheep. lol

the truth hurts lol

 

[Jeff7]

The same way they grab "millions of dollars" of weed when the actual street value is like 10,000

Its their way of hyping everything

I wonder too how many people know the difference between million, billion, and trillion.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

I wonder too how many people know the difference between million, billion, and trillion.

Alot, aloter, and alotest?

 

[TC777]

I remember reading a chat log that was posted last year (Aug. 2011), with Sabu in it. Another hacker named Virus accused him of being a snitch, he obviously was right about everything he said (at the time Sabu was a rat/snitch but was pretending he wasn't)

This quote at line 932: http://pastebin.com/zDTEqcfD


Virus: I'm absolutely positive, you already got raided, and are setting
your friends up and when they're done draining you for information and
arrests they'll sentence you and it'll make nose
Sabu: if you knew me at all
Sabu: you'd know that if I were raided
Sabu: I'd take myself down if anything
Sabu: I'm the martyr type
Sabu: I grew up in the streets
Virus: it's a hunch, I'm always right
Sabu: this time you're wrong

 

[dennilfloss]

LOLz @ the government

So they catch 5 (6 including informant) guys that are part of 100's and possibly 1000's and they say:

“This is devastating to the organization,” said an FBI official involved with the investigation. “We’re chopping off the head of LulzSec.”

Their ignorance, it knows no bounds.

This is like busting a few guys crossing into mexico with coke or weed and saying "this is devistating the mexican cartels" "We are winning the war on drugs"

LOLz

They sew doubt. Now every hacker will wonder if one of his/her group isn't working for the government.

 

[allenk09]

Lol.

Did you buy into their douchbaggery nonsense that was disguised as a "movement" just like a lot of other idiots? They went from one "idea" to another like it's the cool thing to do, which proves there never was any movement. They were a bunch of teenage-20 something year old Internet trolls who decided it would be fun to screw up a bunch of stuff while they throw around a few fancy words with some videos to get the "I don't belong but I wanna feel accepted so I'll join a cause" lamers. They trolled so hard and hooked people so easily that they actually had people out in real life on Wall Street. They bought into a fake movement like mindless sheep. lol

They did damage to a lot of companies and military. They and others completely changed the way the military now handles security. They released a lot of stuff from Arizona DPS right after the Monument fire in Sierra Vista. Organized online protests against the take down of megaupload. Lulzsec wasn't all just a bunch of little kids hacking phpbb's with public zero day scripts. They have a lot of power, and so does Anonymous. If anything, these guys have some serious god damn balls. The walls have ears.

The movement isn't fake, but it has died out. It had a real reason that a lot of people agreed with. It has just changed groups of people now, like most protests in history have. Starts with one group, ends with another.

And No, I did not buy into it. I could smell secret FBI/CIA projects all along, as I do with wikileaks.

 

[Braznor]

It would have been smart not to announce this news at all and secretly go on with their campaign against Anonymous and Lulzsec.

Announcements of these types will only ensure that members of these hack groups get even more careful not to trust each other with their identities beyond a point, making another break like this very difficult in the future.

This could see the rebirth of the hacking movement in a completely different way. Since when did the threat of jail terms ever stopped crimes from being commited?

 

[dwell]

Announcements of these types will only ensure that members of these hack groups get even more careful not to trust each other with their identities beyond a point, making another break like this very difficult in the future.

Actually these sort of things only underscore the fact that big-mouthed e-thugs have a tendency to bitch out when raided and that nobody is actually anonymous.

 

[highland145]

I remember reading a chat log that was posted last year (Aug. 2011), with Sabu in it. Another hacker named Virus accused him of being a snitch, he obviously was right about everything he said (at the time Sabu was a rat/snitch but was pretending he wasn't)

This quote at line 932: http://pastebin.com/zDTEqcfD


Virus: I'm absolutely positive, you already got raided, and are setting
your friends up and when they're done draining you for information and
arrests they'll sentence you and it'll make nose
Sabu: if you knew me at all
Sabu: you'd know that if I were raided
Sabu: I'd take myself down if anything
Sabu: I'm the martyr type
Sabu: I grew up in the streets
Virus: it's a hunch, I'm always right
Sabu: this time you're wrong

1. Sabu: nah just showing you some love brother
2. Virus: did you get owned or something
3. Sabu: can I not show you love?
4. Sabu: haha no.

Virus: this is sudden, especially when we rarely talk now

Heh. Thanks for the link.

 

[dwell]

That log is awesome. Sabu is an educated POS script kiddie and that virus dude was right on the whole time.

 

[leeland]

can't see that log ...blocked at work...

I found this an interesting article

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/179764/anonymous-has-grown-beyond-lulzsec-and-sabu/

 

[Number1]

LulzSec hacker-informer also linked to drug dealing: court docs

What a surprise, this "hacktivist" turns out to be a hard core criminal. Let see the idiots defend them now.

 

[JimKiler]

That's weak. There's hardly a worse class of human than a rat :^S

Why on earth would you believe that. That kind of ignorance will turn our not so corrupt government into something like Mexico's. Which place do you prefer to live, USA or Mexico?

 

[lxskllr]

Why on earth would you believe that. That kind of ignorance will turn our not so corrupt government into something like Mexico's. Which place do you prefer to live, USA or Mexico?

I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Craig234]

I don't think the nerds perpetuating these attacks every really consider the possibility that the FBI might come knocking on their door. Why other nerds romanticize them like some kind of Robin Hood is beyond me. I'm a software engineer that maintains over 30 ecommerce sites. Some ass hat penetrating our network and wiping our databases or causing some other kind of malicious damage is no different than someone coming in here and vandalizing our physical office space. In fact, vandalizing physical assets would probably be cheaper for us. These hackers can go to jail like any other criminal, only their asshole is probably considerably more vulnerable than your typical inmate, so they should probably consider that.

I agree - but some of this stuff is exposing corrupt security information that serves the public well in the absence of any other protection from over-classification etc.

They mention the Stratfor documents in particular - seems that information was highly helpful to the public interest.

The vandals, though, I agree with you.

 

[JimKiler]

I don't know what you're talking about.

I am saying there is a lot of corruption that has been brought down thanks to as you call them rats, but you are against rats.

 

[lxskllr]

I am saying there is a lot of corruption that has been brought down thanks to as you call them rats, but you are against rats.

That's a subtler issue. It's also unethical, but more of a shade of grey. In the case of lulzsec, sabu was willing to share in the reward and glory of the endeavor, but turned on his comrades when things got a little hot for him. In the case of institutional whistle blowers, they probably shouldn't be working there in the first place. They're being rewarded for contributing to the corruption. The difference is they AREN'T being rewarded for turning on their employers; not in most cases anyway.

Being paid(either in money, fame, or lack of jail) to turn on your co-workers is unethical. Violating trust while not getting paid for it is also unethical, but can be excused by righting a greater wrong than just doing nothing.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

no honor among thieves

 

[Mxylplyx]

I agree - but some of this stuff is exposing corrupt security information that serves the public well in the absence of any other protection from over-classification etc.

They mention the Stratfor documents in particular - seems that information was highly helpful to the public interest.

The vandals, though, I agree with you.

Would you consider someone any different who physically broke into Stratfor's offices in the middle of the night and stole them? For every 1 hack that serves any kind of public interest, there are 100 others that are for unscrupulous reason. If they wish to break the law in order to serve some perceived greater good, they should be prepared to suffer the consequences like anyone else if caught. I'd bet none of these anonymous hackers are prepared for said consequences, which is why they will roll over on their "friends" in a heartbeat if caught.

 

[rhino56]

Would you consider someone any different who physically broke into Stratfor's offices in the middle of the night and stole them? For every 1 hack that serves any kind of public interest, there are 100 others that are for unscrupulous reason. If they wish to break the law in order to serve some perceived greater good, they should be prepared to suffer the consequences like anyone else if caught. I'd bet none of these anonymous hackers are prepared for said consequences, which is why they will roll over on their "friends" in a heartbeat if caught.

Exactly, these aren't people who have done hard time in the past.

 

[alkemyst]

Exactly, these aren't people who have done hard time in the past.

yet always have to bring up how they grew up on the streets/hardtimes.

meanwhile their lives revolved around a gaming console and PC.

It's nostalgia really. I am 40, I grew up as a hacker. I remember just walking out of class and going into the computer lab to play not video games, but with peeks and pokes and using the school's modem to dial out.

I remember then going out after school and playing football, getting into trouble.

I grew up pretty nice. My parents struggled in the beginning, but worked their way up and into upper middle class/lower upper class depending on chart.

I explored life, I ended up getting a real gang after me and having not only being fired at, but them going to my parents house.

My mom was awesome, but risked a lot when she told them "you better hope you find him as a group, before he finds you alone".

I did and that problem went away.

Back then some hackers were hackers to become vigilantes. The football captain that's untouchable rapes a few girls at you high school and gets a slap on the wrist because her family was poor type of justice.

My life changed once SWAT sent out a team plus helicopter over an incident. I went off the grid more or less for 5 years.

This is one of the very reasons I am finally considering owning a firearm of my own.