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Nitpicking benchmarks. My favorite game!!!

Oh, never mind the fact that the 4870 runs out of steam well before it can exploit more than 512MB of VRAM. And never mind the fact that the target resolution for the card is 1680x1050 nowadays anyway, meaning a larger framebuffer would go unneeded if it were a faster card.

I simply pointed out the 128bit bus can be a real bottleneck in some games which is why i said "up to". How can new drivers help improve performance on a bandwidth starved GPU compared to a less bandwith starved gpu on the same VLIW5 architecture with 800 sp?

Again here is a non cherry picked comparison with all the benchmarks of 5770 against 4870 1GB:

http://ht4u.net/reviews/2009/amd_at...ter[2][]=8&filter[3][]=0&filter[3][]=16&aa=on

The 5770 is slower in every game despite having 13% more compute performance. And yes its due to drivers not something as mystical as memory bandwidth.
 
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I simply pointed out the 128bit bus can be a real bottleneck in some games which is why i said "up to". How can new drivers help improve performance on a bandwidth starved GPU compared to a less bandwith starved gpu on the same VLIW5 architecture with 800 sp?

I am sorry, but 5770 is not bandwidth starved.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/ati-5770-bottlenecking-investigation/all/1

Well isn’t this interesting? The 5770 is primarily limited by its [COLOR=##99ccff]core[/COLOR] overall, not by its memory!
Underclocking the core 20% results in a 11.20% performance loss overall, while doing the same to the memory results in a smaller 8.46% performance hit. This makes the 5770 a reasonably balanced card, with a small bias towards its core. This is unlike 8800 Ultra for example, which showed a massive reliance on its core across the board.

The results actually make sense given a 5770 is basically a 5870 chopped in half, and the 5870 was proven to be primarily limited by its core too. If you shrink the processing power and bandwidth in proportion to each other like the 5770 does (i.e. cutting both in half from the 5870), you’ll end up with very similar performance characteristics.

Also the performance hit increases when moving from 2xAA and 4xAA with the core (10.58% to 12.45%). We expect this to happen with the memory (and it does) but since the core is also affected, that tells us the ROPs are also bottlenecking the equation to some degree.

As for the individual games, we see Call of Duty 5, Wolfenstein, Call of Duty 4 and Fear 2 being massively more limited by the core than the memory, while the opposite applies solely to Bioshock. The rest of the games are affected reasonably equally by both clocks.
Also.. as mentioned earlier.. 5770 has weaker cores viz-a-viz 4870.
 
I simply pointed out the 128bit bus can be a real bottleneck in some games which is why i said "up to". How can new drivers help improve performance on a bandwidth starved GPU compared to a less bandwith starved gpu on the same VLIW5 architecture with 800 sp?

Because it's based on a revised architecture, and as we all know when a new card comes out, no matter how similar to the one it replaces it is, there's always additional gains to be had with newer drivers (GTX 560 vs 460, for example). Before the difference between the 4870 and 5770 was 5-10%; now it's been reduced to essentially nothing.

Also, memory bandwidth is nowhere near as big of a bottleneck as many people make it out to be. The biggest differences, for years now, have come from differences in core/shader clocks and core configuration.
 
lol

Also nobody better say the 6870 is equal to a 470, I will put you down :colbert:

ok will just leave it here

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k, I'll just ignore facts and take your word for it instead.

But to humor myself I tested my 470 just because something seemed off.

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At stock I seem to score better than they did. Crazyness happened and at stock 607Mhz I was actually able to nearly match the 16043 put up by the 6870.

Then I went to the overclocking section, and I saw the monster overclock of 54Mhz. I wasn't even going to test my card overclocked, I mean 54MHz, that's a massive increase in performance right there. How ever would I be able to contend with such an amazing overclock?

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I went ahead and gave it a shot, I wasn't able to really get much more than the massive 52MHz they achieved, but because my card is a crack phene once again I seemed to get gains that are almost supernatural. And then I realized, I'm actually an enthusiast, and I know what I'm talking about.

As you can see the increased clock did not offer that much extra performance, we see this quite a bit with high-end ATI products.

I wonder what kind of an increase I saw...

Test 1: 52%
Test 2: 52%

And then I was like, oh no he didn't.
 
k, I'll just ignore facts and take your word for it instead.

But to humor myself I tested my 470 just because something seemed off.

*snip

At stock I seem to score better than they did. Crazyness happened and at stock 607Mhz I was actually able to nearly match the 16043 put up by the 6870.

Then I went to the overclocking section, and I saw the monster overclock of 54Mhz. I wasn't even going to test my card overclocked, I mean 54MHz, that's a massive increase in performance right there. How ever would I be able to contend with such an amazing overclock?

*snip

I went ahead and gave it a shot, I wasn't able to really get much more than the massive 52MHz they achieved, but because my card is a crack phene once again I seemed to get gains that are almost supernatural. And then I realized, I'm actually an enthusiast, and I know what I'm talking about.



I wonder what kind of an increase I saw...

Test 1: 52%
Test 2: 52%

And then I was like, oh no he didn't.

Okay, I'll bet that the differences in their testing rig and yours (Hardware, OS bloat, different 3DMark settings) can account for the differences in your default clock score and theirs.

And I wasn't talking about OC'ed numbers.
 
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k, I'll just ignore facts and take your word for it instead.

But to humor myself I tested my 470 just because something seemed off.

2e1ee443.png


At stock I seem to score better than they did. Crazyness happened and at stock 607Mhz I was actually able to nearly match the 16043 put up by the 6870.

Then I went to the overclocking section, and I saw the monster overclock of 54Mhz. I wasn't even going to test my card overclocked, I mean 54MHz, that's a massive increase in performance right there. How ever would I be able to contend with such an amazing overclock?

2842e80e.png


I went ahead and gave it a shot, I wasn't able to really get much more than the massive 52MHz they achieved, but because my card is a crack phene once again I seemed to get gains that are almost supernatural. And then I realized, I'm actually an enthusiast, and I know what I'm talking about.



I wonder what kind of an increase I saw...

Test 1: 52%
Test 2: 52%

And then I was like, oh no he didn't.


hahaha its must be nice to live in the world of denial eh...
 
Okay, I'll bet that the differences in their testing rig and yours (Hardware, OS bloat, different 3DMark settings) can account for the differences in your default clock score and theirs.

And I wasn't talking about OC'ed numbers.

just leave him alone, he won't accept the fact. all its mater is that we can prove him that he was TOTALLY WRONG
 
just leave him alone, he won't accept the fact. all its mater is that we can prove him that he was TOTALLY WRONG

He's going to continue to bust out his watercooling and highly overclocked benchmarks to justify his argument.

Fact of the matter is that when it comes to comparing hardware stock settings are all that should really matter because overclocking is hit and miss for all hardware. Two samples of the exact same product will not produce the same results.
 
k, I'll just ignore facts and take your word for it instead.

But to humor myself I tested my 470 just because something seemed off.

2e1ee443.png


At stock I seem to score better than they did. Crazyness happened and at stock 607Mhz I was actually able to nearly match the 16043 put up by the 6870.

Then I went to the overclocking section, and I saw the monster overclock of 54Mhz. I wasn't even going to test my card overclocked, I mean 54MHz, that's a massive increase in performance right there. How ever would I be able to contend with such an amazing overclock?

2842e80e.png


I went ahead and gave it a shot, I wasn't able to really get much more than the massive 52MHz they achieved, but because my card is a crack phene once again I seemed to get gains that are almost supernatural. And then I realized, I'm actually an enthusiast, and I know what I'm talking about.



I wonder what kind of an increase I saw...

Test 1: 52%
Test 2: 52%

And then I was like, oh no he didn't.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2181761_12_3dmark_vantage___performance_radeon_hd_6870_27399_marks/
 
I'm waiting for him to return to claim that the 6870 is only faster using extreme cooling, and completely ignore the fact that he is using water cooling which is also a relatively exotic method of cooling.

No it's cool, 1450MHz on LN2 beats a 470 on water by 1200 points. It's 500Mhz higher than most people can run their 6870 on air, and probably 400-450MHz higher than they'd get with water.

I'm actually upgrading to LN2 myself, my only problem is how do I keep LN2 in supply, it's not cheap and runs out pretty quickly. Also while gaming how do I pour while still controlling my mouse and keyboard, perhaps one of you board warriors can teach me the ways of the force.
 
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I'm actually upgrading to LN2 myself, my only problem is how to I keep supply up enough while gaming and how do I pour while still controlling my mouse and keyboard, perhaps one of you board warriors can teach me the ways of the force.

I think phase-change cooling is a better way to go than LN2.
 
lol

Also nobody better say the 6870 is equal to a 470, I will put you down :colbert:

Then we don't need to be talking, since the only thing I care about stock is if it's in or not.

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Awesome Self-ownage. lol

I'm waiting for him to return to claim that the 6870 is only faster using extreme cooling, and completely ignore the fact that he is using water cooling which is also a relatively exotic method of cooling.


hahaha just ignore him, he will eventually go deep into his own misery, just look he even proving that he was wrong with his own post. lol
 
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