Sixguns
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No sleep issues, no bone issues either. 29 years old
Im not saying its a test thing but it might be. That's why doctor is going to run test for all sorts of things.
No sleep issues, no bone issues either. 29 years old
Im not saying its a test thing but it might be. That's why doctor is going to run test for all sorts of things.
Maybe we got off to a bad start, but really, Pantlegs shat all over everyone in this forum thread besides you and that was a lame thing to do, all because some people disagree with him. I don't think that is cool. I am used to a forum that respects all view points without resorting to these types of putdowns. I don't think they have a place in forums. I try and keep the facts and make it clear if they are opinions. If you notice, I said 'my opinion' or 'my belief'.
You can ask Lazarus. I told him the same thing... It didn't hurt our friendship at all, nor do I think anything of it. Nor do I think he made a bad decision. If he tried everything, and he was satisfied with the solution, then that is what matters the most. If you notice, I have said that all along in this thread - that effectively, it is your decision to make. My stance alone on PEDs should indicate I don't think it is a moral issue... Hence... Do what works for you man.
I've followed Pantlegs for a long time on this forum and have a ton of respect for what he says. I don't think his statement was anything direct towards you. I made a statement that the quality in H&F has gone down and he agreed.
I'll follow up on this thread on Monday when I get my results for the zillion of tests I did.
I'll follow up on this thread on Monday when I get my results for the zillion of tests I did.
My response was this subforum in general, not you. In this thread it was directed towards GasX and endro, who provided awesome and helpful insight. I don't think we disagree, maybe we do, but I haven't got a solid grasp on your stance but honestly I don't care.
Their workouts got better, better sleep, quicker recovery. I didn't ask about libido because, well, I wasn't too concerned with it.
For me, it was more of a "general sense of well being". I had been lifting heavily for quite a few years but did not gain much muscle. I also was getting poor sleep and having some recovery issues as well. The TRT has done well for me and was not about "gainz" (I'd love to have more, but that might require more testosterone than I am willing to use). Also, I would say that the doctors have generally seemed good at making sure you are not taking so much testosterone than your testicles shrink (they check the size at my yearly follow-up) because you want your body producing as much testosterone of it's own as possible.
I think in the first couple posts people jumped on KIAman. His levels, at 233, would need to rise about 30% to reach the low end baseline which is still boarder line and very low for someone in their 40s. The suggestions to naturally raise T totally gloss over the indications he has a hormone deficiency well below what lifestyle and supplementation changes can reverse in most normal situations.
Further, KIAman indicated symptoms that show this isn't just a "low number" but he is manifesting physiological symptoms that indicate the numbers support insufficient T in his system. Symptoms + Out of Range Test = Consider Treatment at the behest of a trained medical professional.
KIAman should be working with his doctor but looking for feedback from men in similar situations is appropriate.
Which is why the responses early in this thread make no sense. They are taking out aggression on a boogyman when the "snake oil salesman" may actually have what KIAman really needs. He has low T. He wants to correct it. KIAman is clearly a case that may justify pharmaceutical intervention (oh the horrors!) if his physician feels it is the best course of action after KIAman has weighed natural options (not likely to raise his levels 30% or more) and considered the side effects of medical treatment (potentially dependency of life long TRT).
Nowhere in his post do I see anything about being trapped into the pharma/male clinic hype and a victim of ego. Even though not directed directly at KIAman they are essentially "shaming" which is more dangerous than the anti-pharma attitude in that KIAman appears to have a real medical condition and the ATOT attitude would, I think, make KIAman and others uncomfortable discussing it here. Everyone got to get on their soap box about pharma and male clinics and male ego while KIAman still has a test indicating some of his symptoms may be Low T and trying to sort out if TRT is right for him.
So I will get on my soap box: There are few things more grating than when a serious medical condition is discussed and some medically dull arm chair medical watchdog jumps in and waxes long about the ills of the medical field, the greed of doctors, and said sick person should go to a naturopath and/or supplementation and/or lifestyle changes for real care. Yeah, like something like MS magically goes away because you go to a naturopath and take Vitamin D (and the wrong assumption that mainstream physicians never consider options like high dose Vitamin D supplementation in conjunction with other care.)
KIAman: ignore the noise, talk to a physician, get a second opinion from a physician who specializes in male health/endocrine issues, and get feedback from others who have had TRT. Good luck!
When they said Monday for results, I assumed the this week's Monday because the next week is a holiday but I haven't seen the results go through my QuestDiagnostics account yet. I'll follow up once I see them.
*Based on California law, Quest Diagnostics is delaying release of test results for 14 days to allow your physician time
to review your test results.*
No wonder.
to review your test results.*
No wonder.
Second lab results posted in OP.
Looks like my actual T is very low at 147 but my FSH, LH and PROLACTIN is within normal ranges.
I can't even begin to decipher what this means, I've scheduled an appointment with my doctor to see what she thinks.
Looks like my actual T is very low at 147 but my FSH, LH and PROLACTIN is within normal ranges.
I can't even begin to decipher what this means, I've scheduled an appointment with my doctor to see what she thinks.
Dr. Zaus
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Why in God's name did you think it would be a good idea to post on ATOT about (a) medical condition(s) you might or might not have? I suggest quitting while you're ahead (relatively speaking) and continuing the conversation with someone who (a) has even a vague idea what they're talking about, and (b) has useful information/advice to offer. In other words, your physician. Though I will say it sounds like it's time for a referral to an endocrinologist rather than relying on a GP to do a full workup of, or if necessary, to treat what is, realistically, a relatively uncommon condition.
Had my appt with my primary care today and after a 15 minute conversation, she referred me to an endocrinologist. She did a quick exam, found I had hardly any armpit/facial/body hair and along with my other symptoms related to my sleep and body, She said most likely I'll be getting testosterone supplementation. All this time, I thought the hair thing was just an Asian thing.
Good luck, hope your process goes as smoothly as mine did.
Good luck, hope your process goes as smoothly as mine did.
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