Low end Maxwell 2 coming? 950/950ti

[shady28]

More on-topic :

Both the Pixel and Texture rates are within 1-2% of my 960, which is 1216Mhz out of the box. Bandwidth is exactly the same as mine @ stock which is means the memory is 1753 / 7010 effective. Looks like this specific example of the 950 is running ~1200Mhz.

Anyway, it should be released next week and I'd expect a small flood of benchmarks.

Not sure what niche this card fills at $150 if it requires a 6-pin though, when a 2gb 960 can be had fairly easily for $170.

 

[Zodiark1593]

More on-topic :

Both the Pixel and Texture rates are within 1-2% of my 960, which is 1216Mhz out of the box. Bandwidth is exactly the same as mine @ stock which is means the memory is 1753 / 7010 effective. Looks like this specific example of the 950 is running ~1200Mhz.

Anyway, it should be released next week and I'd expect a small flood of benchmarks.

Not sure what niche this card fills at $150 if it requires a 6-pin though, when a 2gb 960 can be had fairly easily for $170.

Agreed. I don't think it should be put on the same class as the 750 TI, in part due to the extra power requirement.

That shader count dropped by a good bit though. Ouch. Otherwise, virtually identical to the GTX 960. Wonder how well it will OC. Given the power requirements (being seemingly identical to fully enabled chips), this would indicate these GM206 chips are probably of much lesser quality, so overclocks on the 950 will probably not be quite as good most of the time as we've commonly seen on the 960.

 

[LTC8K6]

Higher clocked 750ti cards use a 6 pin connector too.

http://www.zotac.com/fileadmin/prod...i-OC_ZT-70602-10M/web/ZT-70602-10M_image3.jpg

http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/evga_gtx750ti-28.jpg

The niche is the extra features over Maxwell 1.

It should be just a little more $ than 750ti, though.

 

[shady28]

Well 2GB 750 Ti's are running in the $90 - $130 range, however they don't come with MGSV game which is worth ~$50. So if this card starts at $150 it's not much of a deal given that you could go up to a 960 for $20-$30 more and get a free game.

The 750/750 Ti have the advantage of only requiring a single 6-pin. And yes, you can always buy a higher end model that requires one but that's kind of irrelevant. MSI 960 has an 8-pin but it came with a 6 to 8 converter. You only need the 8 pin if you're going to do some serious OC and up the power levels. Normally these cards top out at ~110-120W, way under the 150W you get from a 6pin + PCI-e.

I really think the 950 needs to come in around $130 MSRP stock. It won't / can't displace the 750/750 Ti due to the 6-pin requirement, though it's quite possible we are looking at a 950 Ti and that there will be a lower SKU '950', maybe with 640 shaders and slower GDDR5. Or maybe they will call that a 940.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's going to go against the AMD 370 cards, though.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Not that I'll complain about getting near-960 performance at the $150 window (where it should be, IMO), but I would rather get a Maxwell-2 replacement for the 750: low-profile, short-length, powered off PCIe, closer to the $100-120 windows. Maybe that will be a 940?

 

[Charlie98]

Didn't I start a thread about wanting a card just like this for HTPC usage? Glad to hear that there's at least a rumor, now, of one coming out. Would be nice. (Unless my thread was the source for this rumor article, LOL.)

Larry, you're a visionary... :awe:

I'll be waiting to see what it looks like and the price point. I've wanted to replace the 560Ti in the HTPC for a while now... this might be it... but not at $200.

 

[LTC8K6]

Not that I'll complain about getting near-960 performance at the $150 window (where it should be, IMO), but I would rather get a Maxwell-2 replacement for the 750: low-profile, short-length, powered off PCIe, closer to the $100-120 windows. Maybe that will be a 940?

They can probably just underclock a 950 and get it down to low enough wattage to not need the power connector.

They can make it low profile and call it an HTPC card.

 

[therealnickdanger]

They can probably just underclock a 950 and get it down to low enough wattage to not need the power connector. They can make it low profile and call it an HTPC card.

That would be ideal. Low-power, low heat, decent gaming performance, full HEVC encode/decode, and full HDMI 2.0. I mean, what more can you ask for with a modern HTPC card? Fanless operation, I suppose. Get a Strix model that stays silent when not gaming.

 

[DustinBrowder]

That was neat, but I am not making an argument. I am giving an opinion.

I don't think the extra VRAM is useful on the 960 or lesser cards.

I also don't think those VRAM charts are necessarily useful in showing that the extra VRAM is necessary.

It's not the first time the subject of more VRAM has come up.

That is just silly. You saw the charts, each game that use more than 2GB, and these days the large majority use more than 2GB BENEFIT significantly from more vRam.

You saw the 4GB version consistently beating the 2GB version in minimum frame rate, average frame rate and intermediate frame rate! So its just silly to keep making the same claims which are disproved by tests.

 

[LTC8K6]

Update: GDM.OR.JP points out that the GeForce GTX 950 will be launching on 20th August. The more surprising bit is that the source also mentions that the GeForce GTX 950 Ti will also launch the same day.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...ed-listed-online-sub200-maxwell-coming-users/

 

[therealnickdanger]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...ed-listed-online-sub200-maxwell-coming-users/

I find it interesting that most of the leaked news so far is talking about how these cards will be "sub-$200". The 960 is MSRP $199 with several selling for $170-190, so clearly it can't be more than that, right? The 750 and 750Ti debuted at $119 and $149, respectively, 20 months ago (CES 2014!). It's about time that segment was replaced. Hopefully, for no MORE than $149.

All I want for my HTPC is a 950 version of this for this price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127836

 

[nvgpu]

http://videocardz.com/57302/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-confirmed-to-feature-768-cuda-cores

 

[cbn]

All I want for my HTPC is a 950 version of this for this price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127836

If they could underclock and undevolt it to make 60W TDP that would be great.

 

[nvgpu]

http://videocardz.com/57348/nvidia-launches-geforce-gtx-950

Reference card has 3 DisplayPorts, yet most of the AIB partner cards go with the inferior legacy 2 DVI ports.

 

[RussianSensation]

Without repeating myself on the 950:

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This card is ridiculous at $159 MSRP with after-market versions going for $170-180.

Without even looking at the competing red brand, when cards like MSI 960 and EVGA 960 can be had for $175 with a free MGS game, the price/performance of the after-market 950 cards is terrible. For budget 1600x900 gaming, GTX750Ti 2GB can be had for just $95.

Can always count on NV overpricing their x50 series cards at launch.

To make matters worse, some of the AIB cards are loud for a 90W card.

 

[LTC8K6]

The card has the features to justify a little premium, imo.

 

[Blue_Max]

Some of those 950 designs are way too large for a 90W card! Sheesh... they just kept the same manufacturing of the 960's and plopped the 950's chip in its stead. That's fine for lowering costs, but you don't need a 11" card for a 950! Excess material = higher costs = waste if unneeded.

 

[LTC8K6]

Some of those 950 designs are way too large for a 90W card! Sheesh... they just kept the same manufacturing of the 960's and plopped the 950's chip in its stead. That's fine for lowering costs, but you don't need a 11" card for a 950! Excess material = higher costs = waste if unneeded.

There are 750 / 750ti cards 9.5" long.

It's nothing new.

 

[coolpurplefan]

About 45% more powerful than a 750 Ti? I'm impressed enough, though waiting to see what's available.

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

The card has the features to justify a little premium, imo.

I dont think it justifies that much of a premium imo but to each their own

 

[jpiniero]

2 GB is not enough for console ports. You really need more.

 

[her209]

I agree that its overpriced considering the 960 can be had for only a little more.

 

[RussianSensation]

The card has the features to justify a little premium, imo.

What features exactly does it offer that justifies its launch MSRP over a $175 GTX960 with a free MGS game?

Asus GTX950 = $170 + shipping, no game.
vs.
EVGA SC GTX960 = $175 + free shipping, free game (at least $15 value).

At computerbase, an after-market GTX960 is 23% faster at 1080P against the Asus Strix 950. That means the most 950 should cost is $175 / 1.23% = $142 and if we assign some value to the game, $142 - $15 = $127 US.

GTX770 can be bought for $180 and that card is 27% faster than the Asus Strix 950. And if we look $200 XFX R9 280X, that card is 31% faster than the Asus Strix 950.

$160-180 for a 950 is a crazy rip-off. The card needs to be $129 to make any sense.

 

[shady28]

If they had made this a 75W card (with slightly lower performance) then with HDMI 2.0 + HEVC, those capabilities at <75W may have made it worth $150 to the masses who dont have a 6-pin or who want a very quiet/cool HTPC/ITX build.

But where it's positioned now is way too close in price and perf to a 960, there is only a $16 difference at this moment.

What's really stupid is they are only 15W away from eliminating the 6-pin. They could probably have dropped the clock 100Mhz (9%) and made it <75W.

I see this card cannibalizing 960 sales and having little effect on 750/750Ti sales. They won't be able to lower the price without cannibalizing 960 sales even more, or lowering the 960 price too. This card just doesn't make any sense.