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Low end Maxwell 2 coming? 950/950ti

Hopefully they dont price this atrociously like they did with the 960. The mid-low end market has been awfully stagnant lately.

Should make a good HTPC card since it'll have HDMI 2.0 and the other features of the 960 without the stupid price.
 
I'm guessing $140-150 for 7 SMM's enabled with slightly lower boost clocks and 2gb vram standard for 10-15% slower than gtx 960. And I'm also guessing GM107 will get rebadged as the GTX 950 with slightly higher boost clocks than the GTX 750 TI.
 
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
 
dark zero said:
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
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I expect that since they are 750 series replacements, at least one will not need a power connector.
 
Didn't I start a thread about wanting a card just like this for HTPC usage? Glad to hear that there's at least a rumor, now, of one coming out. Would be nice. (Unless my thread was the source for this rumor article, LOL.)
 
dark zero said:
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
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Hardly. GM206 has fixed function H265/HEVC decoding and HDMI 2.0. Perfect for HTPC owners.
 
dark zero said:
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
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Well if Skylake actually ends up being 50% faster than broadwell graphics in games, then th gtx 750 TI would need about a 10% OC to tie.... so yeah if Nvidia is planning on bringing GM107 to the 900 series lineup they need to do it STAT. GM206 cutdown should have no problem staying ahead of Skylake though.

Perhaps part of the reason GM206 was engineered with a minimal die size increase over GK106 is because Nvidia planned on GM206 being the new low end until finfets came around. If so, I think this backs up my belief that GP107 will come out many months before any other Pascal part with a 2x - 2.25x perf/w increase over GM107, putting it comfortably twice as fast as skylake Iris Pro in graphics.
 
GTX 950 and GTX 960 ti are cards I'm looking forward to seeing. Aren't the low end Maxwell 2 cards in mobile only? Kinda makes sense, as that's where most of those cards will go.
 
dark zero said:
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
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I seriously doubt it will need a 6-pin, except in a highly overclocked form.

The next generation Iris Pro 6200 is impressive.

However, it is not as fast as a non overclocked 'stock' GTX 750 1GB by a wide margin.

Putting this in more perspective :

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...enchmark-scores-show-triple-performance-gains

The 3DMark scores with the Broadwell-H Core i7 CPU were as follows:
Ice Storm: 105,716
Cloud Gate: 12,920
Sky Diver: 6,646
Fire Strike: 1,702
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In Fire Strike, a gtx 750 non-overclocked gets in the area of 3500 (double the Iris Pro 6200).

Example : http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4927795

In Ice Storm, they're getting around 130,000 (25% faster)

Example : http://www.3dmark.com/is/2890510

Etc..

Overall I'd say a 750 non-Ti 1GB stock clock card looks to be around 50% faster than Iris Pro 6200, but depends on the game. My guess is a 950 / 950 Ti with just the compression enhancement and no additional SP would be 15-20% faster than the 750 / 750 Ti.

So no, Intel iGPU's time has not yet come (agree it is coming, but they're not there yet).
 
dark zero said:
Sadly nVIDIA finally commited a fatal mistake.... Intel iGPU could be as strong as the 950 and even as the 950 Ti... and when Skylake comes...

Is better to release a very low price or with combinations, because otherwise they are giving a DOA product.

And to make it worse, it still need a 6 pin power supply.

Someone smart could use a Broadwell Core i5 and having decent performance without using a dGPU.
Click to expand...

You're giving Intel far too much credit. First of all, the Broadwell Iris Pro chips aren't even as good as the GTX 750, much less what a cut-down GM206 chip would do. Tom's Hardware describes its performance in Bioshock Infinite as "right around the level of an overclocked AMD Radeon R7 250X or Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 (non-Ti)." For GTA V, it only clocks about 85% of the performance of the vanilla 1GB GTX 750. These are good results... for integrated graphics. They aren't going to make discrete cards obsolete any time soon.

Secondly, Iris Pro is a premium product, with few customers because of the high price tag. Budget gamers will continue to find pairing cheaper CPUs with an affordable graphics card a better option. And as for Skylake, the first chips on that architecture will be enthusiast-focused and only have about half the EUs of the Broadwell Iris Pro. And don't forget that without the eDRAM cache (Crystalwell), which most SKUs from Intel will lack, these iGPUs are bottlenecked by the system RAM just like AMD APUs. By the time Skylake Iris Pro comes around, FinFET discrete GPUs will probably already have hit the market from AMD and Nvidia.
 
dark zero said:
Not at all since it could have less GDDR5 memory inside.
Also that is not full HDMI 2.0, the next generation will finally have that
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It won't have less than 2GB. Even the GTX 750 Ti has that as standard.
And I don't know where you are getting these claims from, but the GM206 chip has an HDMI 2.0 output, and even supports HDCP 2.2.
 
Interesting there is no Ti version. Well it's either got 1 or 2 SMM's disabled. I'm guessing 2 SMM's, as 1 would only be about 10% slower at the same clocks and would cannibalize GTX 960 sales. So I think it'll end up with 6 SMM's + 6ghz vram (instead of 7ghz), 20% slower than GTX 960. $140 for the 2gb version.
 
750 & 750 Ti are dropping in price fast.

I recently saw a 750 / 1GB for $70, and 750 Ti / 2GB is regularly on sale for $109 now.

We still don't have a 960 Ti and it's doubtful there's room to make that SKU, since the 960 is a full / fat GM206. Possibly Nvidia is consolidating its line and avoiding "Ti" (including within the 950 line) unless it's prompted by competition (like the 980 Ti was).
 
There is a large gap between the 960 and 970 so there is definitely room to do so if Nvidia desired. Bringing a 960 TI to market would make sense if GM204 yields are all over the place AND/OR AMD comes out with a $250 card that performs 90% as fast as GTX970.
 
tviceman said:
There is a large gap between the 960 and 970 so there is definitely room to do so if Nvidia desired. Bringing a 960 TI to market would make sense if GM204 yields are all over the place AND/OR AMD comes out with a $250 card that performs 90% as fast as GTX970.
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Normally I would agree and in big sense I hope there is a 960 Ti, I just don't know what form it would take.

Reportedly the GPU in the 960 (GM206) is 100% utilized in the 960. In other words, there are no SPs or ROPS etc etc to unlock.

The most Nvidia could do with that chip is make a "stock" clock higher version, but that's not going to add much given how high the out of the box 960's are clocking anyway.

The reference base clock of the GTX 960 is 1127 MHz.

PCPer did an OC comparison of 13 GTX 960s - below chart was the result. Every single one of these cards did over 1500Mhz. The slowest one is just over 33% higher clock than reference 960.

There's just nowhere to go with GM206 (except down to the 950 / 950 Ti) :

gpuclocks.png
 
GK104 had 3 SKU's on the 600 series, including the GTX 660 TI. GM204 would be the only logical choice for the GTX 960 TI if it ever does come to market. But at this point in the game I think the likelihood of Maxwell getting rebranded / rebadged as an entirely new series is higher. So much of a possible 960 TI SKU and Maxwell getting rebranded depends on how far away Pascal (in any form) is and what AMD's competition is at around the $250 mark.
 
Im more concerned about the obsene perf delta between 970 and 960 and the lack of a proper stop gap card in that 130 bucks void.
 
I hope some these cards come with a good reference cooler. (re: Serviceable fan and hot air extraction out of the case)
 
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Not bad. There's an 80% or so performance gap from 750 Ti to GTX 960, looks like that will cut the gap in half.

90W though, it'll be a single 6-pin card like the 960. Too bad.
 
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