Low Carb Diet

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: eakers
NO MORE ATKINS THREADS.

lol,just say no to Atkins

Still curious about what your idea of a "normal" diet is.

Maybe one that isn't 75%+ meat?

I probably eat about 10 - 12 oz of high quality meat or seafood a day. I eat tofu from time to time too. I also eat fruit with every meal and I eat plenty of green salad and vegetables, not to mention nuts, cheese, olives, yogurt, oats, and soy milk.

I don't eat sugar, white flour, starchy fruits and vegetables or junk/processed food.

What do you find so abnormal about my diet?

Jesus christ riprorin. It doesn't sound like you eat 75%+ meat a day, so I obviously wasn't talking about you. I don't consider your diet to be the typical Atkins diet, that is all.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Maybe it was a wheat bran bagel. That wouldn't be so bad.

That's true. It wouldn't be part of a "normal" diet though, would it?

wtf do you consider "normal"

eating mcdonalds, white bread, hotdogs and deep fried everything is not normal!

I'm still waiting for Geekbabe to tell me what her idea of a "normal" diet is.

From a previous thread I can only imagine how many years Dr. Atkins added to my life:

"I eat and drink normally but in moderation, no need to thank Dr Atkins for anything here"

 

[Riprorin]

Excelesior, I have read about 4 or 5 of Atkins' books and I'm following his recommendations as I understand them. It sounds like your beef is with people who aren't properly following Atkins' recommendations.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Excelesior, I have read about 4 or 5 of Atkins' books and I'm following his recommendations as I understand them. It sounds like your beef is with people who aren't properly following Atkins' recommendations.

Indeed, you could say that. But if the main point of the Atkins diet is not to eat refined/processed foods,why the need to read 5 books on it? Just simply do that?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Excelesior, I have read about 4 or 5 of Atkins' books and I'm following his recommendations as I understand them. It sounds like your beef is with people who aren't properly following Atkins' recommendations.

Indeed, you could say that. But if the main point of the Atkins diet is not to eat refined/processed foods,why the need to read 5 books on it? Just simply do that?

He has books on vitamins and supplements too and a carb counter reference book (although I've never counted anything). I wouldn't have read so many except that my wife bought a couple of the books at the dollar store.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Excelesior, I have read about 4 or 5 of Atkins' books and I'm following his recommendations as I understand them. It sounds like your beef is with people who aren't properly following Atkins' recommendations.

Indeed, you could say that. But if the main point of the Atkins diet is not to eat refined/processed foods,why the need to read 5 books on it? Just simply do that?

He has books on vitamins and supplements too and a carb counter reference book (although I've never counted anything). I wouldn't have read so many except that my wife bought a couple of the books at the dollar store.

Oh, alright.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

If you say so. I think that you would get more benefit by excercing and eating healthful foods. Why do you think that excercising gives you the licence to take in worthless calories?

I don't think the calories from a whole grain bagel are "worthless" given my level of activity,I'm 5ft 9 and currently weigh around 128 pounds,tell me again about my unhealthy diet habits.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Maybe it was a wheat bran bagel. That wouldn't be so bad.

That's true. It wouldn't be part of a "normal" diet though, would it?

wtf do you consider "normal"

eating mcdonalds, white bread, hotdogs and deep fried everything is not normal!

I don't eat fast food(except made for a perhaps once every six week meal of chinese food) I never eat hot dogs or deep fried foods.I also seldom drink soda,I dislike really fatty foods and prefer chicken,fish or lean pork over red meat.I do like a variety of different breads and don't regard potato's as some sort of enemy.

The key to me is moderation,on Halloween I indulged in a lot of sweets,I also had pizza and beer.I enjoyed myself For the next few days it's broiled or BBQ'd chicken,veggies and lighter eating.I like having a normal life,I like being able to be social with friends and able to enjoy holidays and special occasions.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Maybe it was a wheat bran bagel. That wouldn't be so bad.

That's true. It wouldn't be part of a "normal" diet though, would it?

wtf do you consider "normal"

eating mcdonalds, white bread, hotdogs and deep fried everything is not normal!

I'm still waiting for Geekbabe to tell me what her idea of a "normal" diet is.

From a previous thread I can only imagine how many years Dr. Atkins added to my life:

"I eat and drink normally but in moderation, no need to thank Dr Atkins for anything here"

Well I can tell you since we live together. Our normal Diet consists of a lot of Baked or Grilled Chicken (my favorite by the way) Grilled or sautéed Veggies (usually Bell Peppers, Italian Squash, Mushrooms and Onions) Lean meats amd Fruit (well at least for me, I love grapefruit) Occasionally we will splurge and have Chinese food or Pizza but it isn't a main staple of our diet. We will also have Spaghetti, Chili and such when our roomate fixes it. We both exercise (I'm a fanatic about it) and get plenty of sleep.

What we don't do is go around telling others that what they are eating is of no nutritional value..hey we don't want to be thought of as a boorish individual. Just because you have become obsessed with your diet it doesn't mean that others are interested in having you nitpick what we eat. So you read 3 or 4 Atkins books, does that make you some kind of expert? I've been eating healthy all my life and the only time I became overwieght was when I injured my back while lifting weights. Even then when I finally was able to get back on my feet I was able to lose the weight in a matter of months through exercise and cutting back on my calorie intake. Yeah a lot of my (our) diet is along the same lines as the Atkins diet but I didn't need to read a book, I just used common sense.

 

[Riprorin]

Red Dawn, I started a thread saying that I read Atkins' books and they turned my life around and suggested to others that they take their health into there own hands and don't blindly trust the traditional medical commmunity.

For some reason, Geekbabe took offense and suggested my my diet wasn't normal.

Perhaps, it was an overreaction, but I found that upsetting.

My advice it that if you guys are offended by Atkins' threads, just ignore them.

If Geekbabe doesn't want people to nit pick her diet then I suggest that she refrain from critisizing the diets of others.

I've come to realize that ideas about food and diet are about as closely held as religious beliefs. In both cases, discussions about these topics end up going nowhere but south.

By the way, I hurt my neck 20 years ago lifting weights and have suffered with it since. I finally got around to visiting a chiropractor (I used to think it was voodoo). I'm hoping she can put me back together.

I hope you made a full recovery from your back injury.

 

[Crypticburn]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

I'm not advocating the atkin diet, but it doesn't change the fact that you're out of shape. Walking should increase your heart rate, but it shouldn't be "jacked to the max" from mere walking. If it takes the atkin's mindset to get some people to get in shape, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

Crypticburn

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Red Dawn, I started a thread saying that I read Atkins' books and they turned my life around and suggested to others that they take their health into there own hands and don't blindly trust the traditional medical commmunity.

For some reason, Geekbabe took offense and suggested my my diet wasn't normal.

Perhaps, it was an overreaction, but I found that upsetting.

My advice it that if you guys are offended by Atkins' threads, just ignore them.

If Geekbabe doesn't want people to nit pick her diet then I suggest that she refrain from critisizing the diets of others.

I've come to realize that ideas about food and diet are about as closely held as religious beliefs. In both cases, discussions about these topics end up going nowhere but south.

By the way, I hurt my neck 20 years ago lifting weights and have suffered with it since. I finally got around to visiting a chiropractor (I used to think it was voodoo). I'm hoping she can put me back together.

I hope you made a full recovery from your back injury.

Unfortunately no, in fact I did go to a Chiropractor and he only made it worse. I think his twisting and bending actually caused my recovery to take longer. What I have is a narrowing of a nerve canal in my lower back due to scar tissue from a back operation I had over 20 years ago. What I did to reinjure was lifting without a weight belt which caused me to pinch my nerve. Talk about your excruciating pain. But it has calmed down to the point where it rarely ever bother me. Unfortunately I think my days of going animal with weights is over. That's ok though, I actually have been able to keep my physique with Cardio combined with light weights. Maybe I can wok with Weight machines that will isolate the muscles I am working on without getting my back involved but for now I am going to stay away from any heavy lifting.

I think what Jean was saying is that you really don't need to follow diet like Atkins if you use common sense and exercise. I'd venture to say that you would have been successful with any form of diet as you are dedicated and willing to work hard plus you weren't obese, just a little overweight and out of shape. Others who are obese might need something like Atkins because it is almost like a way of life. However I bet the failure rate is as high with Atkins as it is with any other type of diet because most of those who are on it don't have the willpower to follow through with it (thus the reason they need to diet in the first place)

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

I'm not advocating the atkin diet, but it doesn't change the fact that you're out of shape. Walking should increase your heart rate, but it shouldn't be "jacked to the max" from mere walking. If it takes the atkin's mindset to get some people to get in shape, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

Crypticburn

The incline I'm talking about is so steep that it could easily be used as a black diamond ski run,so it isn't "mere walking"

If Atkins works for people great but I'm getting sick of 275 pound chubbies who just discovered that they are overweight acting like the carb police everytime they see somebody enjoying a sandwich! Fact is I've lost a fair amount of weight and have kept it off and I avoided the loose,hanging shari pei skin look that comes with losing too much weight too quickly.

You wanna eat a dozen sausages swimming in grease for breakfast,great,I won't say a word but leave me and my turkey sandwich alone!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

I'm not advocating the atkin diet, but it doesn't change the fact that you're out of shape. Walking should increase your heart rate, but it shouldn't be "jacked to the max" from mere walking. If it takes the atkin's mindset to get some people to get in shape, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

Crypticburn

The incline I'm talking about is so steep that it could easily be used as a black diamond ski run,so it isn't "mere walking"

I think they put that Hospital at the top of the hill on purpose so they don't get walk ins for their Emergency Room. Going up that hill is like running the bleachers in a Stadium.

If Atkins works for people great but I'm getting sick of 250 pound chubbies acting like the carb police everytime they see somebody enjoying a sandwich! Fact is I've lost a fair amount of weight and have kept it off and I avoided the loose,hanging shari pei skin look that comes with losing too much weight too quickly.

Well you have to understand that a lot of them are obsessed with food and /or have been on every conceivable diets so they think they know all about it.

 

[Riprorin]

Glad to hear that your back injury isn't causing you too much trouble. I've also come to grips with the fact that I'm not going to be able to lift big weight anymore. I'm doing the same thing - a lot of cardio and many reps with relatively light weight.

I agree that that will power is the key. I upset my wife last night when I told her that I couldn't believe that losing weight was so easy. She's had a life-long struggle with food and her weight has yo-yo'd many times in the past. She's been doing great though. She's found a diet that works for her (not the same as mine) and she's maintained a healthy weight for a couple of years now.

While I have a lot of will power when it comes to diet, I wish I had as much will power in other areas. We all have our strenghts and weaknesses.

It's great that you guys are staying fit. It certainly makes quality of life a lot better.

Regards.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

I'm not advocating the atkin diet, but it doesn't change the fact that you're out of shape. Walking should increase your heart rate, but it shouldn't be "jacked to the max" from mere walking. If it takes the atkin's mindset to get some people to get in shape, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

Crypticburn

The incline I'm talking about is so steep that it could easily be used as a black diamond ski run,so it isn't "mere walking"

If Atkins works for people great but I'm getting sick of 275 pound chubbies who just discovered that they are overweight acting like the carb police everytime they see somebody enjoying a sandwich! Fact is I've lost a fair amount of weight and have kept it off and I avoided the loose,hanging shari pei skin look that comes with losing too much weight too quickly.

You wanna eat a dozen sausages swimming in grease for breakfast,great,I won't say a word but leave me and my turkey sandwich alone!

Geekbabe, I'm disappointed. You're too smart to say ridiculous things like this. Either you absolutely ignorant about Atkins or for some odd reason, you willing choose to mischaracterize it. Either way, shame on you.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Crypticburn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Oh my,I ate a bagel for breakfast this morning,does this mean I'm going to balloon up or die or something?:Q

You just took in a bunch of worthless calories:

Cinnamon rasin bagel: 65 g carbs, 2.7 g fiber, 323 calories

Plain bagel: 38 g carbs, 1.6 g fiber, 195 calories

Plain, poppy, sesame bagel: 58.7 g cars, 2.5 g fiber, 303 calories

IMO, there are much better breakfast choices.

I walked to work this morning,1\2 hour culiminating in a huge incline with my heart rate jacked to the max for 12 minutes,I'll also be using the treadmill later today.My breakfast choice was perfectly valid given my activity level.

I'm not advocating the atkin diet, but it doesn't change the fact that you're out of shape. Walking should increase your heart rate, but it shouldn't be "jacked to the max" from mere walking. If it takes the atkin's mindset to get some people to get in shape, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

Crypticburn

The incline I'm talking about is so steep that it could easily be used as a black diamond ski run,so it isn't "mere walking"

If Atkins works for people great but I'm getting sick of 275 pound chubbies who just discovered that they are overweight acting like the carb police everytime they see somebody enjoying a sandwich! Fact is I've lost a fair amount of weight and have kept it off and I avoided the loose,hanging shari pei skin look that comes with losing too much weight too quickly.

You wanna eat a dozen sausages swimming in grease for breakfast,great,I won't say a word but leave me and my turkey sandwich alone!

Geekbabe, I'm disappointed. You're too smart to say ridiculous things like this. Either you absolutely ignorant about Atkins or for some odd reason, you willing choose to mischaracterize it. Either way, shame on you.

No,I'm speaking from real life experience with Atkins devotees.they tout the fact that they can eat as many strips of bacon or sausages as they like and I've seen many a heaping helping of the aforementioned pork products being consumed by people who then stand there straight faced and lecture about how regular servings of bread can kill you.I've also seen many middle aged folks lose too much weight too quickly and end up dealing with the sad secondary issue of sagging skin.

I really don't care what other people eat,I don't comment on the contents of their lunch trays,is it too much to ask to be accorded the same respect? This diet craze has reached huge proportions in real time life imho Atkins versus South Beach,where can I buy the Atkins bread(btw$5 for a small tasteless loaf of "low carb" bread is a ripoff imho) the convo's and devotee conversion attempts are endless.

 

[Riprorin]

Hmmm, I guess I have never encountered any Atkins' zealots in the real world. My technician did say that her daughter was eating a lot of low quality meat (and she's in medical school!), but I don't personally know anyone that gorges themselves on bacon and sausage everyday (Dr. Atkins certainly didn't promotes that!).

There's a few people ar work who have lost a considerable amount of weight on Atkins, but I haven't noticed any obvious loose skin. I lost about 20 lbs in about 6 weeks and don't have any loose skin either (and I'm middle-aged).

I guess I can't relate to what you say because your experience is so different than mine.

Actually, the reverse is true. There's a couple of people at work who make fun of me with the bacon grease comments. Oh, well.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Hmmm, I guess I have never encountered any Atkins' zealots in the real world. My technician did say that her daughter was eating a lot of low quality meat (and she's in medical school!), but I don't personally know anyone that gorges themselves on bacon and sausage everyday (Dr. Atkins certainly didn't promotes that!).

There's a few people ar work who have lost a considerable amount of weight on Atkins, but I haven't noticed any obvious loose skin. I lost about 20 lbs in about 6 weeks and don't have any loose skin either (and I'm middle-aged).

I guess I can't relate to what you say because your experience is so different than mine.

Actually, the reverse is true. There's a couple of people at work who make fun of me with the bacon grease comments. Oh, well.

I don't make fun of anybody and I'm certainly not making fun of you.I tried Atkins for a few days and was advised to eat lots of bacon,sausage and hard boiled eggs.Aside from wanting to faint a lot and ducking into closets because I had so much gas from all those eggs,I wasn't impressed.I do my main exercise in the form of power walking
early in the morning and quite frankly can't get up much earlier to ingest enough protein to compensate for the lack of carbs needed for energy.

Btw,I actually dislike red meat and could probably happily exist on a vegatarian diet as long as it included dairy.

 

[SuperTool]

atkins is actually much cheaper than other diets if you are smart about it.
You can buy a dozen eggs for $1 or so, that could make your breakfast for the whole week.
To buy a box of cereal for a week will cost you 4 bucks.
Also, if you are on a regular diet you are gonna buy meat fish and poultry anyways, so the only thing you are doing different on atkins is buying more of it, which means you can take advantage of the value packs. Also, if you aren't watching calories, you don't necessarily need to go get the leanest piece of meat or chicken. Also, on Atkins I have cut out on soft drinks, snacks, granola bars, etc, saving money. So overall, atkins has been cheaper for me.

 

[Chrono]

I had the opposite actually. The amount of gas I had was actually down from eating a normal carb diet. At times, I would be constipated for days, or sometimes I would not need to go at all.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Hmmm, I guess I have never encountered any Atkins' zealots in the real world. My technician did say that her daughter was eating a lot of low quality meat (and she's in medical school!), but I don't personally know anyone that gorges themselves on bacon and sausage everyday (Dr. Atkins certainly didn't promotes that!).

There's a few people ar work who have lost a considerable amount of weight on Atkins, but I haven't noticed any obvious loose skin. I lost about 20 lbs in about 6 weeks and don't have any loose skin either (and I'm middle-aged).

I guess I can't relate to what you say because your experience is so different than mine.

Actually, the reverse is true. There's a couple of people at work who make fun of me with the bacon grease comments. Oh, well.

I don't make fun of anybody and I'm certainly not making fun of you.I tried Atkins for a few days and was advised to eat lots of bacon,sausage and hard boiled eggs.Aside from wanting to faint a lot and ducking into closets because I had so much gas from all those eggs,I wasn't impressed.I do my main exercise in the form of power walking
early in the morning and quite frankly can't get up much earlier to ingest enough protein to compensate for the lack of carbs needed for energy.

Btw,I actually dislike red meat and could probably happily exist on a vegatarian diet as long as it included dairy.

Sounds like you got some bad advice.

I get out of bed in the morning and run 3 - 5 miles on an empty stomach and then have breakfast (1/2 cup oatmeal or Fiber 1 cereal, 1/2 cup fruit, 1/2 cup soy milk, 1/2 cup whole yogurt and a protein shake) and am good to go until lunch. That works out great for me.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Sounds like you got some bad advice.

I get out of bed in the morning and run 3 - 5 miles on an empty stomach and then have breakfast (1/2 cup oatmeal or Fiber 1 cereal, 1/2 cup fruit, 1/2 cup soy milk, 1/2 cup whole yogurt and a protein shake) and am good to go until lunch. That works out great for me.

Yeah, but you can't eat that on Induction. The rest of the diet seems fine, I'm just worried about Induction. 20g of carbs is going to be hard to swing when the turkey sausage I buy has 6g of carbs per serving.

 

[Riprorin]

I think it depends on how much weight you have to lose and your level of activity. I never did induction and I lost about 20 lbs in about 6 weeks.

I have a good metabolism though and I excercised a lot.

There are a lot of things you can eat for breakfast that have between 8 - 12 g of carbs. Anyway, induction is only intended for a short period of time to jump start your weight loss.

 

[skrjones]

TBH the problem I find with the diet is the way it is marketed in the TV-promo-adverts.
Shop America with Kevin (not sure but I live in the UK afterall) states that you can eat what you like and mentions on more than one occasion about cream, cheese etc, but not about cutting out processed foods.

IMHO I feel the low carb diet is fine, it is the way the Atkins diet is perported to be (often wrongly by critics and devotees alike) is the problem.

I have cut out bread and other main forms of carbs out of my diet to lose a few pounds (190 down to maybe 170) as I find too much bread gives me gas and bloated.

I am probably cutting down on my carbs overall so I am supposedly following a lower carb diet but after following the Atkins diet for a week found that it wasn't for me.