Low Carb Diet Seems Too Good To Be True

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

 

[The Sauce]

Get in the know...

See the study released yesterday showing that this diet looks like it might actually be better than a lowfat diet. People lose weight faster and lower cholesterol levels faster than with low fat diets. It was on all the news channels.

Actually threre was no difference in cholesterol levels, only triglycerides. And, there was a significant weight loss advantage at 6 months but not at 12 months. I read the New England Journal articles myself (did not see the news reports). However the studies were somewhat flawed with regard to the number of people enrolled, their statistical power, and the fact that subjects were all morbidly obese.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.". Oh and, ketogenic diets are less than 20 grams per day since they encourage ketosis. Show me a pro that is in ketosis year round. Or hell, an amateur on the NPC level.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

LOL right, and i've got 3 black belts in kung fu, karate, jujitsu, and teach muay thai in my spare time. Anybody can be an online hero.

EDIT: oh i forgot, i'm part of the special forces too... hmm now which one... lets say Delta force ok?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Bacon = 0 carbs

Careful there...maple flavored and some sugar cured bacon has a few carbs per slice.

Yes, of course. I guess I was thinking of my personal favorite, pepper bacon. Thanks for the clarification.

And the rest of your suggestions are excellent. I have a recipe to make your own Atkins Bake Mix (a lot less $) if you'd like it. I have yet to try it, though. Maybe I'll fix some pancakes this weekend.


So many misconceptions in this thread, it's amazing.

every single person i know that went on these diets, GAINED it all back as soon as they stopped it.

Well, it's not any surprising news that if one goes on any nutritional plan, and then abandons it, they will gain weight. You talk about cutting back calories, 500 at a time. Well, guess what happens if you go off that plan and go back to your old ways... You'll gain weight.

my mother(who is 42) just had her cholesterol tested, she's been on atkins for 9 months. 138....total. her cholesterol has actually gone DOWN since being on the atkins diet. it's really pretty remarkable, since it's generally goes UP for people on this diet.

Actually, cholesterol usually goes down for people on the Atkins plan. So, it's not surprising in the least, that your mother is in better health now.

C-A-L-O-R-I-E-S. This is the only word that matters if you want to lose weight.

Well, it is definitely a word in this discussion... But definitely not the ONLY word. If you burn more calories than you intake, you will lose weight. This is very true. But a very low calorie diet is pretty rough to stick with. Atkins has shown time and again that people lose weight by cutting carbs as well. Imho, it's an excellent balance. (Btw, there's no way that I am eating more calories/day now, than I was four weeks ago.)

Get off your ass and walk an hour a day. If you walk an hour a day (dont jog that actually uses less calories because you start-stop throughout the period, and its bad for your knees) and combine that with a 1700-2000 calorie low-fat diet, you will drop weight very quickly. Dieting alone doesnt do anything. I'm sick of people trying to lose weight and starving themselves rather than just getting some friggin exercise every day.

You are very correct. And Dr Atkins has always said that exercise is a must. If you know people who do Atkins (or any other diet plan) but don't exercise, then criticize them... Not the plan.

For some people, it [caffeine] produces similar symptoms to that of low blood-sugar levels, even though levels are low or normal. This drop in blood-sugar levels may make you feel hungry. Hungry people either over eat or cheat.

That's true about caffeine. I used to drink several cups of coffee/iced tea/soda a day, but ever since I cut out caffeine 100%, I feel so much better. I don't get the energy swings through the day, that I used to. I'd get tired in the late morning and think, "I'd love to have a cup of coffee right now"... But about 4-5 days after I started Atkins, I thought "Weird. Where's my usual lack of energy and craving for caffeine?" That is also probably due to cutting back on sugar, as well.


At any rate, there are different ways to lose weight. Just because one way works for one person, doesn't mean that's the exact same way EVERYONE should do it.

 

[Daaavo]

I was at Costco yesterday and came across a low calorie/low carb sweetener called Splenda. Perhaps I've been living in a hole, but I haven't seen this product before. It's apparently made from sugar, but is somehow processed in such a way that very little of it is absorbed by the body. It's suitable for people with diabetes and most importantly, it tastes GREAT.

Anyone on a low carb diet may want to look at this product.

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Wingznut

I would expect a doctor to be disgusted by a 20lbs of bacon a day intake.

I asked the doctor about the Atkins diet when I went to lose weight. I was 230, and wanted to get to 205-210. She said that it was very bad for your kidneys. You trade out kidney time for weightloss, according to her. She told me to eat right and exercise. Stop drinking so much soda.

I've lost 21 pounds.

I can't really comment on the Atkins diet, because I'm not a doctor. I just recommend that everyone see a real doctor before doing something like that.

What the heck is kidney time? And how far off is that from eastern standard time?

I'm a doctor, and that's a load of malarkey (about the "kidney-time" thing).

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

LOL right, and i've got 3 black belts in kung fu, karate, jujitsu, and teach muay thai in my spare time. Anybody can be an online hero.

EDIT: oh i forgot, i'm part of the special forces too... hmm now which one... lets say Delta force ok?

I'll be at the NPC universe competition in NY this august. Why don't you stop by and say Hi, so we can evaluate the massively muscular physique that low carbing has helped you achieve?

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Snatchface

Originally posted by: element®

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Wingznut

I would expect a doctor to be disgusted by a 20lbs of bacon a day intake.

I asked the doctor about the Atkins diet when I went to lose weight. I was 230, and wanted to get to 205-210. She said that it was very bad for your kidneys. You trade out kidney time for weightloss, according to her. She told me to eat right and exercise. Stop drinking so much soda.

I've lost 21 pounds.

I can't really comment on the Atkins diet, because I'm not a doctor. I just recommend that everyone see a real doctor before doing something like that.

I'm a doctor, and that's a load of malarkey (about the "kidney-time" thing).

What the heck is kidney time? And how far off is that from eastern standard time?

Depends. Carbohydrate depetion for an excessively long period of time can in fact be harmful to the kidneys becuase of dehydration....but that happens very seldomly.

I think a more legitimate concern is the negative impact that ketosis has on TSH and thyroid output.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

LOL right, and i've got 3 black belts in kung fu, karate, jujitsu, and teach muay thai in my spare time. Anybody can be an online hero.

EDIT: oh i forgot, i'm part of the special forces too... hmm now which one... lets say Delta force ok?

I'll be at the NPC universe competition in NY this august. Why don't you stop by and say Hi, so we can evaluate the massively muscular physique that low carbing has helped you achieve?

And i said i was massive where in my post? You seem to infer a lot of stuff when you read. Perhaps instead of wasting the money on AS, you can use it for a better education towards critical thinking. This thread wasn't about the Atkin's diet, but a low carb diet... and there are many forms of it, including ketogenics. But you seem to like making the strawman fallacy to support your arguments.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

LOL right, and i've got 3 black belts in kung fu, karate, jujitsu, and teach muay thai in my spare time. Anybody can be an online hero.

EDIT: oh i forgot, i'm part of the special forces too... hmm now which one... lets say Delta force ok?

I'll be at the NPC universe competition in NY this august. Why don't you stop by and say Hi, so we can evaluate the massively muscular physique that low carbing has helped you achieve?

And i said i was massive where in my post? You seem to infer a lot of stuff when you read. Perhaps instead of wasting the money on AS, you can use it for a better education towards critical thinking. This thread wasn't about the Atkin's diet, but a low carb diet... and there are many forms of it, including ketogenics. But you seem to like making the strawman fallacy to support your arguments.

Hey pal, you're the one that said that KETOGENIC diets are popular with bodybuilders. The truth is most bodybuilders hate ketogenic diets and only do it to achieve a "dry" look for contests. Period.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

LOL right, and i've got 3 black belts in kung fu, karate, jujitsu, and teach muay thai in my spare time. Anybody can be an online hero.

EDIT: oh i forgot, i'm part of the special forces too... hmm now which one... lets say Delta force ok?

I'll be at the NPC universe competition in NY this august. Why don't you stop by and say Hi, so we can evaluate the massively muscular physique that low carbing has helped you achieve?

And i said i was massive where in my post? You seem to infer a lot of stuff when you read. Perhaps instead of wasting the money on AS, you can use it for a better education towards critical thinking. This thread wasn't about the Atkin's diet, but a low carb diet... and there are many forms of it, including ketogenics. But you seem to like making the strawman fallacy to support your arguments.

Hey pal, you're the one that said that KETOGENIC diets are popular with bodybuilders. The truth is most bodybuilders hate ketogenic diets and only do it to achieve a "dry" look for contests. Period.

Whoa whoa whoa... where in my posts did i say bodybuilders use a ketogenic diet for mass building?

LEARN TO READ

 

[Daaavo]

At this point I'm wondering if someone would like to open a Private Topic on low carb diets. I just seems like everytime one of these threads is started, it degenerates into a personal attacks.


If anyone decides to open a Private Topic on this, please add me to it.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: element®


What the heck is kidney time? And how far off is that from eastern standard time?

2 hours, 9 minutes ahead. They use it on Kindey Island in the Atlantic.

Really, you should read a geography book sometime....

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Daaavo
I was at Costco yesterday and came across a low calorie/low carb sweetener called Splenda. Perhaps I've been living in a hole, but I haven't seen this product before. It's apparently made from sugar, but is somehow processed in such a way that very little of it is absorbed by the body. It's suitable for people with diabetes and most importantly, it tastes GREAT.

Anyone on a low carb diet may want to look at this product.

If anyone decides to open a Private Topic on this, please add me to it.

I too discovered sucralose (Splenda), a few weeks ago. And yes, it is great.

And I started a Private Topic. If you'd like to be added, let me know. (I've already added moralpanic, marshallj, Daaavo.)

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
And I started a Private Topic. If you'd like to be added, let me know. (I've already added moralpanic, marshallj, Daaavo.)

Where do I find this private topic? I checked "private topics" in the main menu and didn't see anything listed there.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Wingznut


If anyone decides to open a Private Topic on this, please add me to it.

I too discovered sucralose (Splenda), a few weeks ago. And yes, it is great.

And I started a Private Topic. If you'd like to be added, let me know. (I've already added moralpanic, marshallj, Daaavo.)[/quote]

Just did a quick search. I was hoping that Splenda would be without side effects.

All chemfinder says about it is that it's chemical name is: 1,6-Dichloro-1,6-dideoxy-beta-D-fructofuranosyl-4-chloro-4-deoxy-alpha-D-galactopyranoside. I thought it was just
inert sugar, but sugar doesn't have chlorine in it.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Wingznut
And I started a Private Topic. If you'd like to be added, let me know. (I've already added moralpanic, marshallj, Daaavo.)

Where do I find this private topic? I checked "private topics" in the main menu and didn't see anything listed there.

Doh! Sorry about that... I guess I didn't add you guys correctly.

See if it works now.

 

[Strafe]

Last summer my sister got me into what Susanne Somers is hawking on HSN. She calls it Somersize. It seems to be a modified Atkins diet. Here are the basics :

No refined sugar
No caffeine
No enriched flour

When you eat fats, eat no carbs (except vegetables)
When you eat carbs, eat no fats

put 3 hours in between when switching from a carbs meal to a fats meal.

I was exersizing extensively during all this, and I did drop ~15 pounds within a month or two, more importantly, I have one of those scales that can measure your bodyfat and my bodyfat percentage was dropping more than my actual weight. I definately felt more energetic, my headaches went away (but damn when I first cut out the sugar did I ever get a migraine after about day 2). It's interesting that I would cheat bigtime maybe once every two weeks or so and I almost instantly felt sluggish - pychosomatic? maybe. I can say that I did go back to my old eating habits and it all came back so I'm gonna give it another go this summer. Seems harder to get started this time.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

The purpose of a diet is to lose fat, not water

And being water bloated is good how?

The reason why i don't take creatine is because i hate looking bloated. I've been on the a low carb diet for over a year now, and i like my cut look.

Pfft. 6 foot , 150 pounds ripped to the bone huh?

I *am* a bodybuilder that has competed in several state contests. I'm well aware that bodybuilders use modified ketogenic diets (and a boatload of clenbuterol, winstrol, tren acetate) , but ONLY for contest prep - because you can't gain mass on a low carb diet. They only use it to achieve a dry, stirated look no achievable otherwise....i'm not aware of ANY bodybuilder that does this in the offseason. Also, NO SANE competing bodybuilder would do atkins - there is always a risk of muscle loss....bodybuilders (the ones I know) use a modified ketogenic diet that has a weekly carbup to prevent muscle loss...I have used this type of diet and like it alot.

Um, this thread isn't about the Atkin's diet... it's about a low carb diet. Why is it when people argue, they always use the extremes to make their point?

And yes, i've heard of SANE bodybuilders using the ketogenic diet... that's still a low carb diet.

Don't tell me what bodybuilders do and don't do, little boy. I compete on the NPC level and have been in the iron game for many years - I know what drugs, diets and training programs bodybuilders have been doing for the past several years. I state again, you cannot gain mass on a carb depletion diet. Low carb diets are only suitable for contest prep. Long term ketosis is absolutely stupid for the bodybuilder. Anyways, why don't you share your stats and your pictures? Since you're so "ripped.".

My favorite part of Blackened's posts are how he types in all caps to show his au-thor-i-tahhh

 

[Mill]

Funny thing is... Blackened is right.

 

[Marshallj]

You're not going to build muscle while you're losing fat. This doesn't matter whether you're on a low carb diet or not.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Funny thing is... Blackened is right.

Some of what he says is right. But it sounds like he is misunderstanding what Moralpanic has to say.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
You're not going to build muscle while you're losing fat. This doesn't matter whether you're on a low carb diet or not.

Ah... you can but not in traditional ways.

 

[Aceshigh]

I would be interested in private topic discussion on this issue. It is very interesting. Wingznut, could you add me? Many thanks.