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OutHouse

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you people seem to forget that.

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Darwin damn it. How many times have people made this stupid argument and been corrected about it? Enough times that such a statement is proof of idiocy.

fuck darwin. yes bacteria and lower forms of life have been proven to evolve but there are no FACTS to support that homo sapiens evolved from monkeys or from some primordial creature. that is why its a theory when you apply the evolution label to humans.

:laugh:

It has been conclusively demonstrated. Citrix, you can stand there with your hands on your ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA!" as long as you like, but it has been conclusively demonstrated that we did indeed evolve from apes. Hell, look at the people around you. It's completely obvious, we're F*****G apes and you have to lie to yourself to deny it.

show me the science facts and prove it.
 

wart thumbed

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I don't know why so many people here are getting offended by other people's input, now I know first hand why religious topics on forums go under trolling :)
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.

Oh your post where you said "fuck darwin"? Oh yeah, very scientific.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|


Keep in mind that theory also means that there is some unknown factor involved, so despite the fact that there is some factual data involved in constructing a scientific theory we still have to contend with that unknown portion. In short theory is an educated guess

Though basically correct, you are putting way too much weight on the unknowns to come to your alternative conclusion. ID/Creationism isn't about filling in the blanks. It's about throwing out the whole massive body of understanding Science has already accumulated.
 

So

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.

No, you just refuse to read. Once again:

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|


Keep in mind that theory also means that there is some unknown factor involved, so despite the fact that there is some factual data involved in constructing a scientific theory we still have to contend with that unknown portion. In short theory is an educated guess

A theory is the highest level to which a scientific claim can be verified! PERIOD!
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|

evolution is not a fact for homo sapiens.

Yes, yes it is.

No, No its not. if it were fact it would not be called a theory of evolution now would it?

 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: wart thumbed
Like people said above, the evolutionary theory is simply a theory, it is NOT fact and to believe it is is almost has dumb as (apparently) believing in a creator. In addition, since so many of you seem to hate the idea of a non-scientific explanation to the creation of the world, the origin of life is still a mystery to scientists as well and whatever "fact" you've heard about that states science knows the answer is false.

I don't know why so many people here are getting offended by other people's input, now I know first hand why religious topics on forums go under trolling :)

Please don't start making this even worse by blending in abiogenesis into the mix. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you people seem to forget that.

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Darwin damn it. How many times have people made this stupid argument and been corrected about it? Enough times that such a statement is proof of idiocy.

fuck darwin. yes bacteria and lower forms of life have been proven to evolve but there are no FACTS to support that homo sapiens evolved from monkeys or from some primordial creature. that is why its a theory when you apply the evolution label to humans.

Again, that is absolutely untrue. I invite you to visit www.talkorigins.org and search for Douglas Theobald's well documented web-essay entitled "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: the Scientific Case for Common Descent."

 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you people seem to forget that.

Sarcasm Detector 0/10

Darwin damn it. How many times have people made this stupid argument and been corrected about it? Enough times that such a statement is proof of idiocy.

fuck darwin. yes bacteria and lower forms of life have been proven to evolve but there are no FACTS to support that homo sapiens evolved from monkeys or from some primordial creature. that is why its a theory when you apply the evolution label to humans.

There a plenty of scientific facts that support the theory of evolution (The theory is that humans and monkeys SHARE a common ancestor..not that we evolved from monkeys btw). Creationism is supported only by "belief".
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.

No, you just refuse to read. Once again:

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|


Keep in mind that theory also means that there is some unknown factor involved, so despite the fact that there is some factual data involved in constructing a scientific theory we still have to contend with that unknown portion. In short theory is an educated guess

A theory is the highest level to which a scientific claim can be verified! PERIOD!

but not PROVEN TO BE A FACT!!!
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: Citrix

No, No its not. if it were fact it would not be called a theory of evolution now would it?

You've gone from stubborn asshole to complete asshat.

See above about "Theory of Gravity." And then shut the F up.
 

Juddog

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|

evolution is not a fact for homo sapiens.

Yes, yes it is.

No, No its not. if it were fact it would not be called a theory of evolution now would it?

First you state that you understand what a theory is, then you follow up with posts showing to everybody here that you don't understand what a theory is. Please make up your mind, you're flip-flopping worse than Kerry in '04.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.
I wouldn't ask you to type it again, because there's no use repeating idiocy.

Nothing you've written rebuts what I've stated.

 

Juddog

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Dec 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.

No, you just refuse to read. Once again:

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|


Keep in mind that theory also means that there is some unknown factor involved, so despite the fact that there is some factual data involved in constructing a scientific theory we still have to contend with that unknown portion. In short theory is an educated guess

A theory is the highest level to which a scientific claim can be verified! PERIOD!

but not PROVEN TO BE A FACT!!!

Gravity is a theory. Think about that for a while.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|

evolution is not a fact for homo sapiens.

Yes, yes it is.

No, No its not. if it were fact it would not be called a theory of evolution now would it?

First you state that you understand what a theory is, then you follow up with posts showing to everybody here that you don't understand what a theory is. Please make up your mind, you're flip-flopping worse than Kerry in '04.

UH? I flipped on nothing. oh and it should be obama in '08.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|

evolution is not a fact for homo sapiens.

Yes, yes it is.

No, No its not. if it were fact it would not be called a theory of evolution now would it?

Wow, you are really fucking dense.

It is a fact that gaseous pressure increases as volume decreases, and that fact is an element of the kinetic theory of gases.

It is also a fact that humans and other organisms are related via common descent, and that fact is an element of the theory of evolution.

It doesn't get more basic than that, so if you still can grasp it, I suggest you re-enrole in elementary school. Somewhere along the like you fucked up BIGTIME.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Absolutely untrue. Evolution is a fact. As a matter of fact, there are so many evolutionary facts that they were able to group them together into the modern synthesis of evolutionary theory.

As I'm sure you've been told before, but are either too dishonest or stupid to recall, scientific theories do not "graduate" to become facts or laws once they are fortified with enough observational data. The Kinetic Theory of gases will always be the theory. The theory of electromagnetism and the germ theory of disease will always be theories. Musc theory will always be theory.

Man, I love threads like these because it makes it easy to identify the morons.

absolutely wrong. read my other post. im not typing it again.

No, you just refuse to read. Once again:

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

Theory:
  • a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
  • A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
  • An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
  • a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...

Evolution is a FACT, Natural Selection is the THEORY (I.E. Hypothesis that has been repeatedly confirmed by evidence) that explains how the FACT of evolution happens. DEAL. :|


Keep in mind that theory also means that there is some unknown factor involved, so despite the fact that there is some factual data involved in constructing a scientific theory we still have to contend with that unknown portion. In short theory is an educated guess

A theory is the highest level to which a scientific claim can be verified! PERIOD!

but not PROVEN TO BE A FACT!!!

No, EVOLUTION is a PROVEN FACT. Natural Selection is a THEORY -- MEANING CONFIRMED BY EVIDENCE!
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt


Wow, you are really fucking dense.

It is a fact that gaseous pressure increases as volume decreases, and that fact is an element of the kinetic theory of gases.

It is also a fact that humans and other organisms are related via common descent, and that fact is an element of the theory of evolution.

It doesn't get more basic than that, so if you still can grasp it, I suggest you re-enrole in elementary school. Somewhere along the like you fucked up BIGTIME.

Just not in Louisiana :)
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Why do people still believe in creationism? I know we shouldn't hate on people's beliefs, but some people are just stupid as fuck.

This is a major problem with the world, lack of respect for another person's opinion. If someone takes an opposite opinion of what you believe they must be stupid and un-educated.

Oh I see that you don't like Bush, you're an idiot.

What was that, you don't support abortion? You're a flaming idiot.

I can't believe you like the Lakers over the Celtics, someone get a rope and let's find a tree.


Honestly if you're so close minded where you need to insult someone over a difference of opinion maybe you're the stupid one.

ok, just because it has "theory" in front of it doesn't make evolution a guess. A "guess" is what christians, muslims, buddhists, hindus, etc etc have been doing for 1000's of years. At lease science has come up with a reasonable explanation backed by empirical evidence to explain how we got here.

 

torpid

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Evolution as the explanation for the origin of mankind may "only" be a scientific theory, but Creationism isn't even close to being one. It isn't even a valid scientific hypothesis because it is not falsifiable. It is, to be blunt, an uneducated guess based on absolutely no empirical evidence. If it ever somehow becomes a valid scientific theory, then we can teach it in science classes. Especially because that would mean that Evolution as the explanation would, by definition, have been discredited at that point.
 

OutHouse

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here just so that we all know what a theory is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation, or a hypothesis. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements.
 

sao123

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That Evolution does occur may be a fact... however...


The claim that natural selection is the single sole process which got us from the first life ever (genesis) to all the wide variety of species we have today is not.

Learn to distinguish the 2, realize that one is right and one is wrong.