I don't remember gay's being allowed to marry being listed/protected in the constitution- at least the one I read...in fact when the constitution was written, most of the people at that time had a much harsher view on gays then people do now.....
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
It does not say that all citizens must be given access to rights as they see fit. Rather, rights are to be distributed as the majority sees fit. If the majority shares a set of values, then it imposes those values on the minority. You can impose same sex marriage on me if you can garner the majority, just as I can prevent it if I garner the majority. Saying that it's bigotry one way or the other is ridiculous.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Because our Constitution requires all citizens be equal under the law. Because the people want a legal way to recognize their committment to each other. To exclude one group from the same rights and priveleges as others based on some irrational argument is unconstitutional (not to mention bigoted).
Discrimination based on race, gender, sexual preference or religion is bigotry, it has nothing to do with majority decisions, it is to protect the individual
So your definition of bigot is= Proud to have an opinion other then yours. ?
Well gays are legally protected in the sense that they are free to marry members of the opposite sex just like everyone else.....no state has infringed on that to my knowledge....Now if your saying that they should start allowing same-sex marriages which haven't existed for 3000 years- that's a diff. topic.
Denies the real meaning of marriage? Maybe you need to look up history bud. The real meaning of marriage has ALWAYS been one man- one or multiple women......You are trying to twist the meaning of marriage into some bs about it based on 2 people in love.
So if a 10 yo loves a 30yo and they want to be married - that is good based on your definition no?
I'm glad you've realized that the issue is same sex marriage; however, Section 1 also provides for equal treatment by gender. Your right to contract cannot be restricted to a member of a certain gender.
Marriage is a legal contract. 10 year olds are not considered to have the mental capacity to enter into such a contract. It's not an issue of discrimination, but one of capability. It's true that age is an imperfect measure of mental capacity, but it's one that we've agreed to use in many areas of the law, like driver's licenses, voting, etc.
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A) it isn't explicit what that line means in the constitution. see moony's answer of 'they can amend it' for proof of that. based on the Court's current jurisprudence, black people are more equal than women. does that really follow from the line
B) i was asking dealmonkey to do so because i think it would be good for him to read the constitution.
I haven't heard much about the ERA for 20 years. The history of how the 14th amendment has been applied inequitably is long and complex. Look at how the South got away with Jim Crow laws for a century, despite the primary reason for creating the 14th amendment after the Civil War being equality of races. However, it's clear that the use of "person" in Section 1 is intended to be general, as other sections of the amendment specifically differentiate between genders when such a meaning is so desired (such as Section 2, which gives men of any race the right to vote, but not women.)
More proof that the south is a bastion of discrimination, all in the name of the bible.
These are the same folks that fought desegregation.
Is it any surprise they are fighting this?
And this is twice now that in the past two months that I've had to clear up 'rumor' that have been spread by bible-belters---
The idea that Homosexuality is a mental disorder is a complete fallacy. First of all, scientists and researchers have been finding more and more evidence of a genetic link for the past thirty years. To acknowledge this fact, the Diagnotic and Statistical Manual (the DSM) pulbished by the American Psychological Association, which is the manual used in North America to diagnose mental disorders has not had homosexuality as a sexual disorder for a good 20 years. And for a good twenty years before that, its status as a classified sexual disorder was controversial because of the scientific evidence coming to light at the time.
Just because your 'Reverend' says its true doesn't mean it is.
Its really disturbing to me that they spread these false hoods to defend themselves against pure scientific fact, to the point that, as an example, evolution is a dirty word in the south, when we all know that most-likely we all were decendant from primates. What is so wrong about that? That it differs from the bible? Please.. both can co-exist.
And if you are questioning my background and the info I am presenting... I am currently getting my Masters of Arts in mental health counseling.
These are the same folks that fought desegregation.
Is it any surprise they are fighting this?
And this is twice now that in the past two months that I've had to clear up 'rumor' that have been spread by bible-belters---
The idea that Homosexuality is a mental disorder is a complete fallacy. First of all, scientists and researchers have been finding more and more evidence of a genetic link for the past thirty years. To acknowledge this fact, the Diagnotic and Statistical Manual (the DSM) pulbished by the American Psychological Association, which is the manual used in North America to diagnose mental disorders has not had homosexuality as a sexual disorder for a good 20 years. And for a good twenty years before that, its status as a classified sexual disorder was controversial because of the scientific evidence coming to light at the time.
Just because your 'Reverend' says its true doesn't mean it is.
Its really disturbing to me that they spread these false hoods to defend themselves against pure scientific fact, to the point that, as an example, evolution is a dirty word in the south, when we all know that most-likely we all were decendant from primates. What is so wrong about that? That it differs from the bible? Please.. both can co-exist.
And if you are questioning my background and the info I am presenting... I am currently getting my Masters of Arts in mental health counseling.
It's not restricted by gender - both genders have equal access to marriage.
Ah, but in some states, you can get married when you're only 16.
Actually, court rulings have been extraordinarily specific in applying Amendment XIV. It was used to justify abortion in Roe v Wade because it says 'all persons born or naturalized.' If you're not born, then you have no rights? I'm sure that's exactly what it was meant for when it was written. :roll:
The APA is hardly an unbiased group. If you actually read any of the studies that they choose out of the bunch when declaring something one way or the other on homosexuality, it's blatantly biased. Further, show me one such report stating that there is any indication that homosexuality is genetic.
When you see the clustering of prejudice in geographical areas you can, if you are free of it yourself, begin to appreciate just how ones environment influences ones adult attitudes. By this means one can begin the long difficult task of unlearning everything one was ever taught because it itself will be just another form of prejudice. This pile of cabbage we accumulate as we grow is called the ego and to truly unlearn it is a difficult as it is to die because that is exactly what it feels like. I think Jesus willingly mounted the cross in order to tell you this, that there is a resurrection when you're done.
Well the APA is the authority, whether you like it or not. Just like the 'church' is the 'authority' on the bible whether I like it or not.
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/dbem/test_of_ebe.htm
Anything else?
Is it time for me to put my eyerolling emoticon yet?
Ahhhh, more spouting of dubious "facts" -- go ahead CW, show us these studies that are "biased." Give us one and point out why you think it's biased.
Perhaps I've entered the Elfie spin zone, because unless you can redefine "ALL PERSONS" and "EQUAL PROTECTION" on the fly here, there's not much to talk about.
When you see the clustering of prejudice in geographical areas you can, if you are free of it yourself, begin to appreciate just how ones environment influences ones adult attitudes. By this means one can begin the long difficult task of unlearning everything one was ever taught because it itself will be just another form of prejudice. This pile of cabbage we accumulate as we grow is called the ego and to truly unlearn it is a difficult as it is to die because that is exactly what it feels like. I think Jesus willingly mounted the cross in order to tell you this, that there is a resurrection when you're done.
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Ever think, that they naturally occur in those environments in the same proportion as other areas, but 'cluster' as you put it, because some areas have intellectualized the fact of homosexuality, and accepted the fact that its genetically pre-determined (see my link above) and have made it socially acceptable?
Sorry, my giant pink bunny is telling me that I shouldn't listen to your religious convictions.
Anyway, your religion also teaches you to love all of god's creatures. You my friend are hating.
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