Louisiana now an Offical Gay Hating State - Approve Same-Sex Marriage Ban 9-18-04

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Klixxer
There are about 93000 dictionarys on the web, why would you want to scan one page of yours?

You are too damn stupid to argue with if you cannot accept that the biblical definition of marriage does not belong in a modern society and that THAT is why society has stepped away from the definition.

You can continue to ride your high horse and keep your holier than thou attitude but it won't do you any good as long as there are those who base their definitions on rational thought rather than 2000+ year old text books.

Because the dictionaries on the web can be updated to change the definition of words to suit a political purpose. That was the entire point of my posting the definition - to demonstrate that people are trying to change it to suit themselves. Sorry, but that's not how it works.

Oh christ, buddha, allah, whatever, will you ever stop?

So 93000 dictionarys are wrong but your's is rigth, scan it for me.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Tmax13
Ummm, genetics dont work like that. Either you are or you arent. Either you are blue eyed or brown eyes. Remember binary code? Genes are not that dissimilair.

Exactly. If you have genes for blue eyes, you'll have blue eyes. If you are identical twins, you both have the genes for blue eyes and, therefore, have blue eyes. This obviously doesn't hold for sexual orientation, so there must be environmental factors at play.

Originally posted by: Klixxer
And the definition in the dictionary is taken from WHERE?

Taken from the 'New Concise Dictionary' under 'marriage.' I can scan in the page if you really don't believe me.

No it isnt.
See my last post.
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What isn't? That definition isn't from the dictionary sitting on my desk? Amazing.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Tmax13

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I couldn't Disagree more. The gays think its their right to force the marriage community which is based on Religion to agree with them and take their beliefs.

And you are missing the point... you don't have to change your beliefs. You can go on forever believing that men don't love other men, or women don't love other women.
They just want the same legal rights that heteros have.

Really, how will this change the lives of all heterosexual marraiges?
Don't give me that crap about what it represents, but how will it change your marraige now or in the future?

To me, the decline of family values means teaching your children that the world only thinks one way, and is not open to new ideas, which is different than how all the haters view it, Im sure.

Get out from behind that granite ten commandments, and stop hating.

Im against Gay Marriage.....not Gay Unions.
I didn't say anything about not letting them have the rights the government offers to married couples. :roll:

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Tmax13

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I couldn't Disagree more. The gays think its their right to force the marriage community which is based on Religion to agree with them and take their beliefs.

And you are missing the point... you don't have to change your beliefs. You can go on forever believing that men don't love other men, or women don't love other women.
They just want the same legal rights that heteros have.

Really, how will this change the lives of all heterosexual marraiges?
Don't give me that crap about what it represents, but how will it change your marraige now or in the future?

To me, the decline of family values means teaching your children that the world only thinks one way, and is not open to new ideas, which is different than how all the haters view it, Im sure.

Get out from behind that granite ten commandments, and stop hating.

Im against Gay Marriage.....not Gay Unions.
I didn't say anything about not letting them have the rights the government offers to married couples. :roll:

I am against marriage, not civil unions. civil unions for all and marriage if the church allows it, no legal definition shall come with the word marriage though.

 

[lordtyranus]

Hahaha. samesexmarraige.com? You can try to spin the Bible as much as you want, and come up with rather moronic conclusions, such as the last 2 here.

http://www.glcsnsw.org.au/docu...opack/11_religions.pdf

Here's an interesting reference mentioning all religions. Islam, at least, seems to stomp out this riffraff, which is possibly linked to why it is the fastest growing religion today. Similarities in origin exist between islam and christianity as well.

I guess 1 thing is clear. Whoever wrote the bible is a dumb fvck for not condemning gaydom properly.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Hahaha. samesexmarraige.com? You can try to spin the Bible as much as you want, and come up with rather moronic conclusions, such as the last 2 here.

http://www.glcsnsw.org.au/docu...opack/11_religions.pdf

Here's an interesting reference mentioning all religions. Islam, at least, seems to stomp out this riffraff, which is possibly linked to why it is the fastest growing religion today. Similarities in origin exist between islam and christianity as well.

I guess 1 thing is clear. Whoever wrote the bible is a dumb fvck for not condemning gaydom properly.

Crack isn't a good drug, you are living proof of that.

Read my post again.

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Now do you get it? Nah, didn't think so.

Go away trollboy.

 

[lordtyranus]

I see Germany is in dire need of a "No Child Left Behind" act to improve educational standards.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Yes, I understand there have been historical variances on how the courts implement the amendment -- I mean hell, take a look at black America's struggle for civil rights or women's struggle for suffrage, etc., etc. Still, even with all of the deviances throughout history, I STILL don't believe that you can argue with the intent of the words. ALL PERSONS means all persons. Equal Protection under the law means equal protection. How can you possibly misinterpret unless you're attempting to support discrimination in some way. As Clinton found out the hard way, you can't redefine the word "is" at your convenience.

if you want to argue intent the drafters of the amendment probably didn't intend everything that the 14th amendment has come to mean. i read a court opinion where the court literally said that the drafters didn't really know what they were writing. utterly ridiculous. and, when i say specific justices are not consistent, i don't mean 'historical' differences between 1890 and 1960 and 2003, but rather the exact same judge, waffling back and forth and picking a meaning of equal protection to suit the outcome they want to see. and again, what is equal protection. you still haven't defined that, and it is the really amorphous one to nail down. you said it was explicit, but it is not explicit from the text what equal protection is. you've only defined it in tautology, which, as any logician will tell you, is not a definition.

 

[yELLOthar]

I'm from Louisiana. We don't support gays. If you don't like it, then vote against it. We can vote however we like, and we voted. It is sad though, only 27% voted, and like 80% of them voted to define marriage between a man and a woman. I can't vote, not old enough, but I would have voted against it because it is against my religion, I'm christian, and I find it very sickening indeed.

I think gay people should not come out of the closet, they should just clean it up...

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
I'm from Louisiana. We don't support gays. If you don't like it, then vote against it. We can vote however we like, and we voted. It is sad though, only 27% voted, and like 80% of them voted to define marriage between a man and a woman. I can't vote, not old enough, but I would have voted against it because it is against my religion, I'm christian, and I find it very sickening indeed.

I think gay people should not come out of the closet, they should just clean it up...

Well you, my friend, have a lot in common with CycloWizard only he's too chickensh!t to just come out and admit it. I wonder though, do you have a rational reason for denying gays the same status in our society as the rest of us? Or do you only have your religion? Or is it just a feeling?

 

[yELLOthar]

I don't think gay people should be married because it's:

1. Against my religion (main reason, I am christian, if you don't like it, I don't care...)
2. You are not "born gay"...
3. It disgusts me, greatly
4. I find it morrally wrong, not only religously, but just because I find it wrong

The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word "homosexuality," the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.

-- http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm

I find that to be incredibly stupid. The Bible is talking about MANKIND in general. Male-Male is just an example. If you think God would actually want women to be gay, but not men, then you really aren't that smart. Even if it WASN'T my religion, I would asume it was talking about MANKIND in general, and not just men! I do agree that some "versions" of the Bible are wrong. Many of the new, standard english bibles can break it down better (i.e., use of the word homosexual) but I prefer to use KJV.

have a lot in common with CycloWizard only he's too chickensh!t to just come out and admit it.

I don't mind voicing my opinion, or stating my religion. I have nothing to hide, unlike some people who just want to fit in. I hang out with people like me, so I won't have to hide anything. Anyone who is scared to voice there own opinion, shouldn't voice it at all!

 

[yELLOthar]

Hey, just curious, but why would you guys vote FOR it? Everyone keeps saying why they think it's wrong, but why be for it? Just because the Bible says it's wrong and you people don't like christians...?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
Hey, just curious, but why would you guys vote FOR it? Everyone keeps saying why they think it's wrong, but why be for it? Just because the Bible says it's wrong and you people don't like christians...?

I believe we've articulated it pretty well in this thread already (scroll up and read), however, ummm, yeah we just don't like Christians.

 

[yELLOthar]

I was just saying that, not really being serious. It just seems anything Christians like, everyone else hates. Most (keyword most) christians like Bush, most non-christians don't like Bush. Bush is a christian, as one, I will vote for him. Don't give me any crap about his past either. Him doing drugs is just as irrelevant as Kerry getting 3 fricken purple hearts.

EDIT:
Yea, I didn't read all the thread, as it is quite large indeed.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
Hey, just curious, but why would you guys vote FOR it? Everyone keeps saying why they think it's wrong, but why be for it? Just because the Bible says it's wrong and you people don't like christians...?

Because I think people should all have the same rights, regardless of whether they are gay or not. Jesus Tapdancing Christ, it's like this is nuclear physics or something.

Are you honestly saying you think it's ok for the majority to exclude gay people from getting married simply because you don't agree with who they want to marry? I understand you don't approve of gay people, but for the love of God, what makes it YOUR choice what two consenting adults choose to do in their personal life? If any of you can answer that, I'd be willing to throw a parade for you, because I just don't see it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
I was just saying that, not really being serious. It just seems anything Christians like, everyone else hates. Most (keyword most) christians like Bush, most non-christians don't like Bush. Bush is a christian, as one, I will vote for him. Don't give me any crap about his past either. Him doing drugs is just as irrelevant as Kerry getting 3 fricken purple hearts.

EDIT:
Yea, I didn't read all the thread, as it is quite large indeed.

That's a very childish viewpoint. People who don't like your viewpoints don't disagree with you because you are Christian, they disagree with you because they don't agree with your viewpoints. Be a man and take responsibility for your own viewpoints, stop hiding behind "you people just don't like Christians".

And correct me if I'm wrong, but Kerry's Catholic...or doesn't that count?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well you, my friend, have a lot in common with CycloWizard only he's too chickensh!t to just come out and admit it. I wonder though, do you have a rational reason for denying gays the same status in our society as the rest of us? Or do you only have your religion? Or is it just a feeling?

You can beat the strawman til the cows come home, but until you can provide a counterpoint to my point, then you're just beating around the bush. 16 pages of this thread and you've yet to make a comment actually regarding why homosexual marriage should be supported by the government.

I believe we've articulated it pretty well in this thread already (scroll up and read)

Yes, 'anyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a bigot.' That's your articulation. Give me something based on logic, as I have done. I'm the one supposedly blinded by religion, yet I'm the one who is supplying reasoning based on logic rather than yelling louder than my opposition.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
I was just saying that, not really being serious. It just seems anything Christians like, everyone else hates. Most (keyword most) christians like Bush, most non-christians don't like Bush. Bush is a christian, as one, I will vote for him. Don't give me any crap about his past either. Him doing drugs is just as irrelevant as Kerry getting 3 fricken purple hearts.

EDIT:
Yea, I didn't read all the thread, as it is quite large indeed.

So you are voting Bush because he is Christian.
Interesting...Because your religion advocates compassion and helping your fellow man.

Tell me what you have seen Bush do in the last 4 years that exemplifies these concepts. Even if is as simple as abortion, or other social values. What has he done to support your Christian cause.

If you are having a tough time finding REAL things Bush has passed or implemented, turn to a candidate that will show compassion and help the average american.

 

[yELLOthar]

Originally posted by: yELLOthar
Hey, just curious, but why would you guys vote FOR it? Everyone keeps saying why they think it's wrong, but why be for it? Just because the Bible says it's wrong and you people don't like christians...?

How is that, hiding behind my religion? That is mainly true on the net though. I think a lot of people act differn't around people. No one (where I live anyway) would say they think gay people should be alowed to get married, or even hold hands! There is maybe 2 gay people in my entire AREA! It just isn't accepted here, christian or not.

Oh wow, Kerrys Catholic. Catholic is christianity, sure. Believe me though, Catholic and Babtist are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY differnt! Baptists don't mess w/ alter boys, we don't even have them. We also pray to God, not Mary. I never understood why they don't pray to their OWN GOD! I pray to my lord directly, they go through Mary. There are many things I don't agree with in the Catholic religion. I guess I need to start specifying Baptist, not just christianaity...

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Stunt
So you are voting Bush because he is Christian.
Interesting...Because your religion advocates compassion and helping your fellow man.

Tell me what you have seen Bush do in the last 4 years that exemplifies these concepts. Even if is as simple as abortion, or other social values. What has he done to support your Christian cause.

If you are having a tough time finding REAL things Bush has passed or implemented, turn to a candidate that will show compassion and help the average american kill her baby.

Fixed your post.

 

[Stunt]

Ultimately Christians are very concerned with judgement day. If you are voting a religeous leader who is implementing your social views could be regarded as noble. But the bible heavily criticizes personal wealth and supports giving to the poor. So how will God feel about your tax refund and dividend tax break?...I'm thinking he'd care more about the well being of all people. Even if it means not voting for an anti-abortion candidate who has shown not to do anything about it.

Just realize that your leader with values is not helping the Christian cause in anyway...

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Stunt
So you are voting Bush because he is Christian.
Interesting...Because your religion advocates compassion and helping your fellow man.

Tell me what you have seen Bush do in the last 4 years that exemplifies these concepts. Even if is as simple as abortion, or other social values. What has he done to support your Christian cause.

If you are having a tough time finding REAL things Bush has passed or implemented, turn to a candidate that will show compassion and help the average american kill her baby.

Fixed your post.

I have a different view...but...please inform me what Bush has done with regards to abortion that has stopped this?...does he plan anything?...or is he fooling Christians into voting for him?....

He has done nothing for your cause in 4 years...why ask for another 4 years of passiveness?
Abortion is here to stay...even your own candidate won't touch it...

 

[yELLOthar]

I WOULD vote for Bush because:

a. He is a christian
b. I agree with most of his ideas/points/views (w/e you want to call them)
c. I don't get why you people keep saying about the Iraq soldier crap. I know people in the Army that are in Iraq. Apparently, his troop, and most of the others he has met up with, LIKE BUSH. Oh wow, the SLODIERS, the one's who are dying out there, LIKE BUSH, while you people who sit here safely, and comfortably hate on him for sending soldiers to Iraq.
d. (well, continuation from c)
Yes, I know it was Osama that did 9/11, blah blah blah. We can't pull our troops out pal. When we do, they will see us as weak. If they see us as just letting them come kill us, they will just come kill us. I will probably be in the Army, I'm not sure yet.
e. I don't feel like arguing about this anymore. I have stated why I am against gay marriage, I'm not here to talk about Bush.

I'm done here people, I am sick of arguing on the internet. It feels like a waste of time to me, and after reviewing everything that has happend, or has come from it, there is no reason to continue. IDC if you think I'm "running", I'm out. Adios, and

God bless you all, even if you don't believe in him...

 

[MOHO456]

Heres the rationale: Gays cant get married. Thats not the definition of marriage. Make up some other word for it like hitched or something. But just remember, I do not hate gays, I hate stereotypical homos who want thier gayness to be know, they want you to know they are gay, an propagate the whole lisp girly dresser deal. Be normal, and dont talk about your gay sexual encounters, and I have no problem with you, Otherwise go suck a cock, its what your good at anyhow.

Note: When confronting my friends about thier thoughts on whether having gay parents would have affected thier orientation, all, bar none, answered yes. I lost count, but the number is over 100. I live in Ohio too, not a southern conservative paradise (not yet anyway), so the locals from all parts of the country agree:

It isnt fair to the children.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I have a different view...but...please inform me what Bush has done with regards to abortion that has stopped this?...does he plan anything?...or is he fooling Christians into voting for him?....

He has done nothing for your cause in 4 years...why ask for another 4 years of passiveness?
Abortion is here to stay...even your own candidate won't touch it...

As I've stated time and again, the only way the president influences abortion legality is by appointing USSC justices. Short of assassinating them, there's nothing he could do. The next four years, however, are a different story, as at least one will retire.