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If Dnet is willing to eMail ALL affected members, that is a suitable solution; if it is done NOW. Otherwise, they have made it clear that we can do it ourselves.

Russ, NCNE
 
Why NOW (and why bold) the credits will come back. It's not like they are being sucked into a black hole never to return.

For some old guy's you sure don?t have any patience.
 
ok how about a different approch, Give them a chance to fix it, scour the team list and pull each person who has been dropped after the accident, send the list to moose. give them time to try and correct it (say 3 days) then if nada send the E-mail 😀
 
I sent that email to dB and Nugget to let them make the call of wheather they can fix stats on their end. If virge would have included the whole context of the email you would have seen I was simply including him in the forward to them so he knew somthing was happening. In no way was it an answer to his question. Notice the header of the email please. It would have been as follows

From: Paul 'Moose' Gentle [mailto:moose@distributed.net]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:47 PM
To: David McNett; Jim Nasby
Cc: virgedx@home.com
Subject: FW: Using Dnet Member DB

Moose
 
Moose, thanks for showing concern for our team... I would like to say a big Thank you! for this project and the unseen work that we could only guess at. I have been doing the RC5-64, OGR and CSC projects for over a year and enjoyed it immensely, and gained new friends as part of the Anandtech team. Keep up the good work! : )
 
MechBgon
Mech you suck up! LOL How's that scab on your nose???? 😀

Moose
Seriously tho. Great job in tring to get this worked out. Hopefully we will have the rest of the team back so we can continue on our way..

Wolf
 
Doh! I didn't think I was being that obvious!! : )

Seriously, with over 4,000 active teams, someone from Dnet takes the trouble to visit our Forum and try to get things straightened out. I appreciate that!
 
Our policy about not harvesting emails out of stats still stands. That tally went bonkers is not an excuse for unsolicited email. I will send an email out to announce@ and/or put some notices on the stats pages, but we will not send emails out to anyone who hasn't signed up on one of our email lists, and we ask that everyone here do the same. If you haven't already, I would suggest setting up a mailing list that people can subscribe to, or collect email addresses via some other means. Feel free to put a message in the team description asking for team members to sign up, but don't email people out of the blue. There are already people who view distributed.net as a bunch of 'crackers/hackers', we really don't need to add spammers to that list.
 


<< or collect email addresses via some other means >>



There's the caveat. I have e-mailed Moose and Decibel asking specifically to put the issue to rest from the Dnet perspective about CONTACT WITH OUR OWN MEMBERSHIP (for those who might misconstrue the meaning.
 
Decibel-

Thank you for taking the time to drop by our forum and adding DNET's perspective on this highly volatile topic! Your comments are appreciated.😎

DanC-

I think Decibel made it very clear. Email Addresses are not to be &quot;harvested&quot; from DNET stats pages. Collecting emails of teammates is perfectly accectable for communication purposes as long as the users are given an option to &quot;sign up&quot;.

<< don't email people out of the blue >>

I think that is very straight forward.

Osmo.

[Edit]spelling[/Edit]
 
From what I read out of it

<< ...or collect email addresses via some other means... >>

It's OK, as long as we don't use Dnet's stats as the &quot;list&quot;.

It is after all, about contacting previous TA members, that have contributed in the past.
Not &quot;emailing people out of the blue&quot; for new recruits.
 
Kilowatt-

It does not say &quot;out of the blue&quot; for new recruits.
Whether or not they are previous TA members, if they didn't sign up to receive project related emailings, then it is contacting them &quot;out of the blue&quot;.

Osmo.
 
Editing out the really unfriendly parts of Moose's response to me - we're left with this:



<< Policy dictates that any use of
email addresses from our stats is considered email harvesting >>


We were never talking about harvesting Dnet email addresses.


<< While you can place a note on your Team stats page for users to
join a newsletter or other forums. You may not use the emails to
contact others. >>


Let's get a sign-up posted prominently on the team stats page!!!!


<< Remember you can start your own list of users from people subscribing
to lists or other methods you come up with (webforms.) >>



No prohibitions against contacting our membership to distribute news, provide motivation, etc.

The matter should be considered officially settled.

Osmo, I find it curious that one who doesn't even do RC5 would be so wrapped up in this.

[edit to correct the position of the end of last quote]
 
Dan you asked for an answer. I gave you one in email. The same one I've been giving for months. If you don't like the way I composed my email I'm sorry. I must point out because I do not understand what you mean by the



<< prohibitions against contacting our membership to distribute news, provide motivation, etc. >>



That you may not use the email memberships from our stats to contact anyone for any reason.


I will quote my entire response and your email since you left out many key items that are important to the point.



<<
Daniel-

As I have said so many times before. Policy dictates that any use of email addresses from our stats is considered email harvesting. This is not what our stats database is for. The people who have joined your team in the past are not even guaranteed to still be interested in your team anymore let alone be a part of your team anymore. Users will continue to show up in your team forever if they were ever a part of your team. Not to mention all the people who might have changed emails or lost emails will also continue to show up.

Emailing these users can only cause the user to become upset and mad at distributed.net and your team. This makes you look bad and us look bad. While you can place a note on your Team stats page for users to join a newsletter or other forums. You may not use the emails to contact others.

The list of users on stats in no way &quot;belongs&quot; to the team the users are listed under.

I will not explain this again.

As far as others responding to your emails. We have explained this many times to TA. We have said we do not want TA to do this, and we should only have to say this so many times.

Remember you can start your own list of users from people subscribing to lists or other methods you come up with (webforms.)

Thank You
paul

Paul Gentle
moose@distributed.net
.plan @ http://n0cgi.distributed.net/cgi/dnet-finger.cgi?user=moose




From: Daniel Cottrell [mailto:aji2@telisphere.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:46 AM
To: moose@distributed.net
Subject: A ruling please.... please.
Importance: High


Moose -
We appreciate your taking the time to post at TA regarding the 'lost souls' However...
Not one Dnet person out of 5 e-mails from me, and I don't know how many from others will even respond to this question:

Can we, or can we not contact our team membership via e-mail to give newsletter info, updates, encouragement etc.

Not - can we spam for membership. but,

Can we, or can we not contact our team membership via e-mail to give newsletter info, updates, encouragement etc.

We would offer an &quot;opt out&quot;. Our list is NOT derived from Dnet. I am doing my level best to help provide leadership and management to this team. A few vocal 'whiners' insist that we cannot under any circumstances e-mail our members.

I say BS. Dnet doesn't care what we do with our own members. We need a ruling. Please, at least will you respond to me?

dc >>




Thanks
moose
 


<< Can we, or can we not contact our team membership via e-mail to give newsletter info, updates, encouragement etc. >>



No you didn't answer the question.
Aside from the 'attitude' and the fact that I detest being scolded like a naughty child for asking a legitimate question - since you refuse to answer the question - or don't understand it -

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MINING DNETS BLOODY EMAIL ADDRESSES!!!!!

Can I make that any more clear?

Crimony -

edited out the more inflammatory and likely uncalled for statements.
 
I did to answer your question.



<<
Remember you can start your own list of users from people subscribing to lists or other methods you come up with (webforms.)
 >>



Assuming you get email adddress from a method above and you are not getting your information from us, you can do what you want with those emails.

Its only when you get your email list from us that we have a problem with it.

moose
 
DanC-

Your comment stating:

<< We were never talking about harvesting Dnet email addresses >>

is false, read back through this very thread.

As far as you being curious regarding my motivation in this issue is understandable, but I have a simple answer.

I've always understood that TA is a single team working together on many distributed computing projects, NOT many teams working individually on their single project! Unless we just share the namesake of TA, then I as a member of TA and as a past participant of RC5 have every right to be concerned how any actions regarding this issue will reflect upon Team AnandTech.

Osmo.
 
The matter is settled as far as I'm concerned. All I wanted was an answer to that question.
Osmo - the matter may have been broached in this thread, but I was not talking about mining Dnet addresses. It was a return to my long-held standing that we can contact our membership provided we don't mine the addresses from Dnet.

It's difficult to comprehend how this can be so hard for people to understand.
 


<< It's difficult to comprehend how this can be so hard for people to understand. >>

Pot calling the kettle black?

All DNet HAS EVER SAID was that you couldn?t get the email addresses from them. What, you think that just because I signed up to do RC5 that no one can send me email now? Are you kidding me? *rolls eye*

There are many mailing lists for Team Anandtech members. I'm on one of them. And I get a little newsletter every week (or so). Did this all somehow slip past the mighty borg? For some guys that seem smart, you sure don't seem to have any common sense.
 
I didn't say I couldn't understand it officeboy...
Look back at the thread and several others surrounding this subject.

You're preaching to the choir.
I've been contending all along that we could do this - a vocal (and agitated) minority say we can't. That's what it's been about.

Why the elitist attitude?
I've been trying to help the team. Seems a couple of people are either jealous or don't appreciate the effort. Perhaps those who are so vocal should do something other than gripe and roll their eyes.
 
DanC-

I don't think any member on this forum has a hard time understanding this nor has anyone opposed contacting our membership when it is stated in general terms.

It's always the implementation that is the issue. The core of the debate has always boiled down to whether or not the target members had/have the opportunity to opt-in to the method of contact. If you question this, just look around. There is a thread talking of PM spamming not far away from here.😉

Let's get that mailing list subscription link and a link to the new team website up on the Team Info Page at DNET ASAP! There will undoubtedly be new participants wanting to join up with the #1 team and they surely will be checking out that page.😀

Osmo.

[Edit]Spelling[/Edit]
 
Osmo,
For once, (recently anyway) I agree completely with you.
Now that we have defined clearly what the issue is.... which was the whole point in bringing it back up - we can {finally} move forward.

This is all I have ever sought with regard to managing a list of members and contacting/motivating/informing. PTL! we've finally found common ground and have a defined response from Dnet - though it was like pulling teeth to get it.

 
Just show some respect when we have visitors eh?

You Borg get easier and easier to hate every day.


<< Seems a couple of people are either jealous or don't appreciate the effort. Perhaps those who are so vocal should do something other than gripe and roll their eyes. >>


We would apreciate the effort more if a little diplomicy were used.

Oh you don't notice my insignificant 4.09 Mkeys/sec (that is all from new assimilations, AND I could care less about the RC5 project, I do Seti) we all do what we can. But you shouldn?t belittle teammates. It's self-serving and helps no one.
 
Osmo and I have settled it. I don't know why you are continuing.
The issue with Moose was generated by the way he smacked me for a legitimate question.
Hate me if you like, it's your right. I'm trying to help the team. When I see a poll that says &quot;DanC get lost&quot; I'll go away.
 
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