LOST has lost it ...

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: Spooner
Are Sayid and Shannon like a couple now?

all signs point to yes... they definitely made a connection in the ep where she translated the french. its just another element that can be expanded on (and have conflict created around) if they want to

any of those brief scenes (like at the end when they show them together) can be brought back later

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: purbeast0
of course i understand that part of the story, they have only been doing it for 15 episodes in a row ...

Actually, the flashbacks have changed quite drastically since the first five episodes and then again after about the 12th. The fact that you missed this obvious fact further enhances my belief that the show just goes over your head. Sorry, bro. But they do make plenty of shows for people like you, so you should have no problem getting some mindless entertainment on UPN or something.

lol i love how people see the need to flame when someone disagrees with their opinion. Every single flashback story for the character has related to something currently happening to that person on the island. give me an example of one that doesn't.

Now that I've explained the show to you, your statements are different than they were in your original post.

not to mention this past episode, we learned the past of yet another character we had already seen. every episode is the same, focusing on one character and showing flashbacks. it was cool at first, but now they are repeating characters. and the next week episode looks so stupid, it just looks so cliche.

If you knew that these flashbacks tied into current events, you wouldn't be complaining that they're repeating characters since the flashbacks are based on a particular inner crisis within the character...therefore, logically, there should be unlimited flashbacks for any number of characters.

And, to answer your question, the first time around, we got an explanation for why each character was in Australia.....now we are getting pure backstory. Intriguing, huh?

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: torpid
I think that the long layoffs make it seem like nothing is happening.

I agree with you. This type of action drama doesn't lend itself well to long periods between episodes. JJ Abrams did decide to start Alias later in the season so there wouldn't be long periods between episodes for that reason. Last year, sometimes 3-4 weeks went by between new episodes because of the way the ratings season and all the award shows broke it up. This year, you're likely to only have a week off between new episodes of Alias if something takes the Wed night timeslot away.

Lost on the other hand, started at the beginning of the season and only 6 episodes were originally recorded. Nobody knew it would gain the avid following it has so they went back and recorded more episodes this winter (Nov-Dec). These new episodes were only recorded a couple weeks/months ago. I'm sure they're working as fast as they can producing these new episodes, but a week or two here and there between new ones isn't that surprising given the time it takes to create a new episode.

techfuzz

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys don't appreciate good stories. People like you are why reality tv is so big. Go watch survivor....I heard some chick exposes herself.....teeheehee. :roll:

Frankly, I think most of you just don't "get" the stories. Think to yourself.....why are we being shown these particular flashbacks at these particular times....the two events for the one character correlate in some way and it's usually interesting or has a twist.

This was probably the best episode of Lost there has been.

What? I think it is you who can't appreciate good stories. Reality tv is big because tv writing is to bad. If every show on TV had the same quality as an HBO show or even an FX show, no one would watch anywhere near as much reality tv. If it's between watching the massacre of another drama resulting yet another soap opera by NBC (West Wing, ER, etc.) and reality tv, I'd have to choose reality tv. Fortunately I don't have to make that choice and can leave them both off.

Lost has consistently been a cut above most fictional television. I am not so sure that it's gotten significantly worse, though. I think that the long layoffs make it seem like nothing is happening.

I agree that this episode wasn't the best episode, but it had its moments. It had palpable suspense at times. Which fizzled out. The character forming flashbacks were useful to getting a more complete picture of Charlie, though I don't know how necessary it was to deal with these issues right now. I personally would have felt that anyone would be justified in killing the guy. He is wily and strong, and likely to escape or cause trouble.

I would rather not watch them deal with the bunker until something happens. There is no need for them to spend 2-3 minutes each episode with locke and boone staring at it and shrugging. It is better this way. Some episode in the future they will go totally hog wild with the bunker, the french woman, etc.

the previous flashbacks of charlie basically just made him out to be a junkie. this last one i think was designed to show how there was a bit more to him than that. i think the line when the girl asks him why he took the job and he said because he wanted to show he could care for her is significant. it also explains why he is so protective of claire - he wants a chance to do something good.

as for the bunker and the french woman.. those are by far the biggest mysteries on the island and will probably culminate in some huge plot orgy in the season finale only to be left with a giant cliffhanger

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
as for the bunker and the french woman.. those are by far the biggest mysteries on the island and will probably culminate in some huge plot orgy in the season finale only to be left with a giant cliffhanger

You forgot the "power line" running from the ocean up into the jungle that hasn't been touched upon since that episode. I'm really wanting to know what was up with it!

techfuzz

 

[Sam334]

Can anyone tell me where the hell that dude came from that kidnapped the pregnant girl (on this island, even the pregnant girls are hot). I caught the episode where they did the sneak peak of the other finding out that he was never on the polane to begin with... Missed the next episode though :-/

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
the previous flashbacks of charlie basically just made him out to be a junkie. this last one i think was designed to show how there was a bit more to him than that. i think the line when the girl asks him why he took the job and he said because he wanted to show he could care for her is significant. it also explains why he is so protective of claire - he wants a chance to do something good.

as for the bunker and the french woman.. those are by far the biggest mysteries on the island and will probably culminate in some huge plot orgy in the season finale only to be left with a giant cliffhanger

I agree with you about charlie. I was just responding to the idea that they had to show charlie's flashbacks now due to the stuff that was happening. Anyone would have been justified in killing ethan, whether they felt the need to prove themselves able to protect someone or not.

BTW there is another long layoff coming in march.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Sam334
Can anyone tell me where the hell that dude came from that kidnapped the pregnant girl (on this island, even the pregnant girls are hot). I caught the episode where they did the sneak peak of the other finding out that he was never on the polane to begin with... Missed the next episode though :-/

No one knows for sure.

 

[Sam334]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Sam334
Can anyone tell me where the hell that dude came from that kidnapped the pregnant girl (on this island, even the pregnant girls are hot). I caught the episode where they did the sneak peak of the other finding out that he was never on the polane to begin with... Missed the next episode though :-/

No one knows for sure.

Damn. Oh well. Does this show have an end date set already? Is it a mini-series or a full blown series? Cause it's gone on for a while now. I want to know everything already. Gimme.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'm begining to lose interest because I suspect the explanation for what's going on will just piss me off.

I'm afraid it'll be like the X-files & I'll never get closure.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

i still find charlie's detox on the island quite funny....man if it was that easy to quit drugs like that and become a "good person" again

I thougt last nights episode was pretty bad...I think charlie shooting ethan was what made it so bad though, if it had a different ending it would have been better....so i am guessing ethan followed them to the "Trap" site without anyone noticing him, even though they were all trying to listen for anything since they were hunting ethan...oh i forgot charlie can move through the forest without making a sound. And as they are all in position Charlie positions himself in view of the trap (again with no one noticing, boy these are good gaurds they got there)...then when the gun gets lost in a struggle he sees exactly where it went and goes and kills him...or was charlie just wandering through the forest and found the gun on the ground?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i still find charlie's detox on the island quite funny....man if it was that easy to quit drugs like that and become a "good person" again

I thougt last nights episode was pretty bad...I think charlie shooting ethan was what made it so bad though, if it had a different ending it would have been better....so i am guessing ethan followed them to the "Trap" site without anyone noticing him, even though they were all trying to listen for anything since they were hunting ethan...oh i forgot charlie can move through the forest without making a sound. And as they are all in position Charlie positions himself in view of the trap (again with no one noticing, boy these are good gaurds they got there)...then when the gun gets lost in a struggle he sees exactly where it went and goes and kills him...or was charlie just wandering through the forest and found the gun on the ground?

Well there was some time lapse. Charlie could have been following distantly. Most of the guards were looking towards claire and not outwards. They couldn't really do anything until ethan got into their net anyway, as he would just run off and then kill someone. They had to wait for him to approach claire. They also had to have a wide enough berth to prevent themselves from being suspected of trapping him, so it is not unlikely that charlie could have approached unseen. They also were all concentrating on ethan, since he's such a badass.

It still is kind of hokey, but not TOO hokey. I would have killed ethan. Too risky to let him live. Or maybe just blown off his knee caps and elbows. And shoulders. And maybe ankles too.

 

[Spooner]

He certainly should have been questioned first. I want to know why he was so damn mad?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i still find charlie's detox on the island quite funny....man if it was that easy to quit drugs like that and become a "good person" again

I thougt last nights episode was pretty bad...I think charlie shooting ethan was what made it so bad though, if it had a different ending it would have been better....so i am guessing ethan followed them to the "Trap" site without anyone noticing him, even though they were all trying to listen for anything since they were hunting ethan...oh i forgot charlie can move through the forest without making a sound. And as they are all in position Charlie positions himself in view of the trap (again with no one noticing, boy these are good gaurds they got there)...then when the gun gets lost in a struggle he sees exactly where it went and goes and kills him...or was charlie just wandering through the forest and found the gun on the ground?

Charlie was becoming a better person before the plane trip, as was obvious from the flashback. He was trying to give up the junk, get a real job and become respectable. Why? Because he needs someone to care for, but, she dumped him anyways (all before the trip). That's why he's so interested in Clair, and why he rashly killed Ethan to prove to her he's willing and capable of caring for her. In the end, she said something to the effect "I want to trust you." To Charlie, mission accomplished, even though he likely cause a bigger problem by killing Ethan, and not getting any info out of him.

 

[rh71]

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[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Charlie was becoming a better person before the plane trip, as was obvious from the flashback. He was trying to give up the junk, get a real job and become respectable.

Actually, I believe this flashback was at least a few months before his trip to Australia. By Australia he seemed to have regressed from any purposeful aspirations he'd acquired during his dating experience with the copier guy's daughter.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Charlie was becoming a better person before the plane trip, as was obvious from the flashback. He was trying to give up the junk, get a real job and become respectable.

Actually, I believe this flashback was at least a few months before his trip to Australia. By Australia he seemed to have regressed from any purposeful aspirations he'd acquired during his dating experience with the copier guy's daughter.

Perhaps, but I think it's closer to his trip. We do know it's after the first flashback because of the timing with the band...

 

[MrDingleDangle]

i dunno, i just never really bought charlie getting off the drugs so easily.

 

[UTmtnbiker]

Finally saw the episode 15 last night off of the Replay. Enjoyed it quite a bit. On my hotness scale Shannon has definately moved way past Evangaline Lily's character!

I admit I don't have any experience with JJ Abrams (come on - Felicity pete's sake) but I think you can only stretch out multiple story lines with multipe cliffhanges for so long. Eventually the audience will want resolution, even if it's just to close up a thread thet doesn't go anywhere. The other problem with keeping a good flow on a show like this is there are so many characters, and if he wants to develop them all to be very robust, well rounded, and interesting (eg, having the audience care about them) he needs to build each characther, which it seems like he does. The show is much more slow paced than much of what's out there, even for a serialized show (I'm thinking 24, which I don't watch, but seems like it's always very intense, very fast paced). All that being said, still a top notch show in my book. Ever since Angel went off the air, there have been very few "must see's" for me and the wifey. This happens to be one of them.

Because I've enjoyed Lost so much, I've started replaying Alias just to see what it's like. So far, I'm actually like Alias in a different way. The cast is smaller, the stories are more self contained (no need to know what's really going on). Although the believability level is about the same as lost....come on, super secret agaen Sidney Bristow, ninja spymaster extrodinaire, can't ice skate and shoot a puck! Gimme a break!

 

[shopbruin]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Spooner
I'm just sick of Charlie. Show me the backstory to the fat kid already!!!

i have a feeling they aren't going to show it. it seems that now they have just been repeating previous people. i hope they don't just continue to repeat the past people, but that looks like the current pattern.

the only thing I could think they can do with hurley is maybe talk about his weight problem, because he really doesn't get into any conflicts on the actual island himself, as most of the back storied people have.

he was interviewed on a radio station here in LA a while back and he said they were going to do his back story. i hope they do follow through on it. he has some issue somwhere though.

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
Because I've enjoyed Lost so much, I've started replaying Alias just to see what it's like. So far, I'm actually like Alias in a different way. The cast is smaller, the stories are more self contained (no need to know what's really going on). Although the believability level is about the same as lost....come on, super secret agaen Sidney Bristow, ninja spymaster extrodinaire, can't ice skate and shoot a puck! Gimme a break!

Alias is different from what it used to be like. The stories used to entertwine throughout the whole season and no one particular show was really a whole story. This season they're making short stories out of each episode with finality to them. There are a couple of "sub-plots" that carry over from episode to episode.

techfuzz

 

[Arkitech]

I kinda jumped on the bandwagon a little late, but I managed to find all the episodes and my wife and I watched them all in practically one week. I thought the most recent episode kept in line with previous shows, although I have to admit it was a tiny bit weaker than the ones before it.

I just hope they don't completely abandon the many threads that have been started in previous shows:

1. Polar bears on a tropical island

2. The mystery of the giant animal? uprooting the trees. (Anyone else notice that when the pilot was killed the body was'nt eaten? Kind of leads me to think that its not an animal out there but something else)

3. The bunker

4. Ethan

5. The french woman

 

[digdugdogg]

Well, as far as Ethan getting killed... when they brought Charlie back to the cave after searching for him and Claire, Charlie said,"All THEY wanted was her". So Ethan is not the only one like him. There will be MORE of the "Ethan type". And I do think that Claire IS holding back, and DOES remember what happened. Otherwise, why would she be so scared of Ethan when they used her as bait to catch and finally kill Ethan? Ethan doesn't look all that physically strong. He didn't have a weapon or anything. She knew there were 5 people around her with guns. Why worry?

 

[RaDragon]

The "vacations" seem to be a trend with J. J. Abrams tv programs. You just live with it and try to get back into the show.

 

[digdugdogg]

I don't really watch too much of JJ Abrams shows. I love Lost, though. And I'm watching more of Alias this season. I wasn't able to watch Lost when the shows aired, but was able to catch up on the whole season so far, over the weekend. I will continue to watch it for the rest of the season. But those "vacations" will kill me!!