losing respect for fellow Americans

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


All I have to say is all the rich people in NO the french quater etc got out of NO cause they had the money too. So whats left,the poor which I guess just by natural fscking luck they are black. :roll: And as far as black leadership is concernd the NAACP hasnt done anything for me or my people since the times of MLK. However, it does change the fact that there is a real problem in Americans and its racism and classisum(dont know if thats spelled right). All I know is that I defend the poor when ever I can because I came from a poor family and I made it. The only reason I made it is my family would live in the worst conditions to help put me thru school. I think this issue of race is not just the Black leaders responsibility but everyones. If we continue this path of creating the haves and the have nots this country will be headed for a civil war.

Darkstar, if you rose up from the ashes and stood on your own two feet all by yourself, why do you feel the need to defend those who dont even have the dignity to earn their living...those who feel they need to loot to get back at society. Obviously "society" couldnt hold you down, so you know its not all society's fault. You know they where there is a will, there is a way. So why do you need to defend the poor who use society holding them down as an excuse for their laziness?

 

[Cuda1447]

Something to consider. I'm sure there are plenty of white people who are of low economic status. But did most of them not leave when told to do so? I would bet that a lot of this looting was planned. They knew it was going to be a disaster area and a perfect opportunity to get their loot.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
i do remember looting after the tsunami.....

people were even looting other people's kids.

Yeah, I remember that. Apparantly, they could sell them into the s3x trade business for $$$. Pretty sick.

 

[virtueixi]

One man with an armload of clothes even asked a policeman, "can I borrow your car?"

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Pepsei
i do remember looting after the tsunami.....

people were even looting other people's kids.

Yeah, I remember that. Apparantly, they could sell them into the s3x trade business for $$$. Pretty sick.

nope, you guys are absolutely completely wrong and misread the situation, asians don't loot, ONLY americans loot.

oops, let me correct that, only BLACK americans loot. 😉











for those a bit slow, the above is being typed tongue in cheek.

 

NYC had 9/11 and the blackout of 2003 with nary an incident.

 

[shud]

Originally posted by: dwell
NYC had 9/11 and the blackout of 2003 with nary an incident.

It wasn't like the WTC was filled with plasma TV's and spinning rims, though. Nobody wanted to loot files and tape backups. 😉

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


All I have to say is all the rich people in NO the french quater etc got out of NO cause they had the money too. So whats left,the poor which I guess just by natural fscking luck they are black. :roll: And as far as black leadership is concernd the NAACP hasnt done anything for me or my people since the times of MLK. However, it does change the fact that there is a real problem in Americans and its racism and classisum(dont know if thats spelled right). All I know is that I defend the poor when ever I can because I came from a poor family and I made it. The only reason I made it is my family would live in the worst conditions to help put me thru school. I think this issue of race is not just the Black leaders responsibility but everyones. If we continue this path of creating the haves and the have nots this country will be headed for a civil war.

Darkstar, if you rose up from the ashes and stood on your own two feet all by yourself, why do you feel the need to defend those who dont even have the dignity to earn their living...those who feel they need to loot to get back at society. Obviously "society" couldnt hold you down, so you know its not all society's fault. You know they where there is a will, there is a way. So why do you need to defend the poor who use society holding them down as an excuse for their laziness?

Laziness?

So all poor people are lazy?

Damn man have you ever been to your home country?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: shud

Originally posted by: dwell
NYC had 9/11 and the blackout of 2003 with nary an incident.

It wasn't like the WTC was filled with plasma TV's and spinning rims, though. Nobody wanted to loot files and tape backups. 😉

i think the blackout if interesting tho. would seem a good time to loot, alarms are all out. good time to break into stores and such.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Bleh Most of you who fscking rant an rave about the looting need to STFU! First of all you should be happy you are dry and not in that sh@t right now. Second if you have ever been to the poor areas of NO you would know that it was almost a third world country before this disaster. Last I would say that people are upset, scared and mad that our GOV did not ax fast enough on this situation, so with all of that being said ,those of you who have a problem with poor disperate people looting to try to recoup the devistating lost of the only homes they will ever be able to afford fsck you! I also hope some day you are faced with such a challenge and see we will see if posting on ATOT and whinning about looting will be your number one priority you arse hat.

Flood insurance should cover their homes.

Can't afford flood insurance? GET A JOB and stop smoking crack.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: dwell
NYC had 9/11 and the blackout of 2003 with nary an incident.

But then again, that was only the result of the reform that Juliani put into NYC during his years in tenure (lowering crime rate, eliminating slums, etc). Ever been to NO? Alot of the areas surrounding the disaster zone are poverty stricken areas, slums, etc - in comparison, the area surrounding NYC and ground zero is much more affluent.

The People in NO right now comprise mostly of poverty stricken people, as the majority of the people with the money and means to get out of the city prior/after the hurricane have left. Something NYC didn't have also. The residents of the city now are largly from the lower class.

It's 90+ degrees everyday, humidity around 100%, and everyone is surrounded by a cesspool or raw sewage, bodies, animals, and trash. That, compounded with the realization that EVERYTHING you've ever owned is gone - the worst will be brought out of them (and I think ultimately, most people will not behave like rational beings after a few days in this kind of situation too).

The conditions don't even compare between the two cities, let alone the disasters.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

So because of some looters you are not going to donate to help your fellow Americans?

You're an idiot.

me e-penis is bigger than your e-penis. wanna come here and fight?
such a sad state of affairs...people being called an idiot for not donating their own money.

btw...i have already signed up with red cross to go down there and help with the relief effort. what have YOU done to help?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


All I have to say is all the rich people in NO the french quater etc got out of NO cause they had the money too. So whats left,the poor which I guess just by natural fscking luck they are black. :roll: And as far as black leadership is concernd the NAACP hasnt done anything for me or my people since the times of MLK. However, it does change the fact that there is a real problem in Americans and its racism and classisum(dont know if thats spelled right). All I know is that I defend the poor when ever I can because I came from a poor family and I made it. The only reason I made it is my family would live in the worst conditions to help put me thru school. I think this issue of race is not just the Black leaders responsibility but everyones. If we continue this path of creating the haves and the have nots this country will be headed for a civil war.

Darkstar, if you rose up from the ashes and stood on your own two feet all by yourself, why do you feel the need to defend those who dont even have the dignity to earn their living...those who feel they need to loot to get back at society. Obviously "society" couldnt hold you down, so you know its not all society's fault. You know they where there is a will, there is a way. So why do you need to defend the poor who use society holding them down as an excuse for their laziness?

Laziness?

So all poor people are lazy?

Damn man have you ever been to your home country?

i have been to my home country, tho you weren't directing you comment to me, and yes, there are poor people in my home country. however, the point still stands, many of those poor people, my parents included, manage to barely scrape together enough money to get to the US, my parents came over with $600.00 in their pocket. and guess what, they did well for themselves, my dad and mom but 3 of us through college and 2 of us thru grad school. my dad and mom have a nice pension and are retired.

so don't tell me about poor.

the thing is, this country IS a country of opportunity. i know too many asian families where both parents work 2 jobs in order to get ahead. they then buy a small business and then grow it.

however, most of those families drive old beat up cars and never spend a lot of money on clothes.

go down a black neighborhood, they all have nice new cars in parked in the streets etc.

it's about priorities.

again, the LA riots, and Spike lee did a thing on it too, black neighborhood, all the locals gather around and complain because the koreans business owners only employ family members. guess what, any of the locals could have taken the initiative and opened their own store, but they only complain because they aren't given a job.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
i do remember looting after the tsunami.....

people were even looting other people's kids.

I'm sorry but that made me LOL.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


All I have to say is all the rich people in NO the french quater etc got out of NO cause they had the money too. So whats left,the poor which I guess just by natural fscking luck they are black. :roll: And as far as black leadership is concernd the NAACP hasnt done anything for me or my people since the times of MLK. However, it does change the fact that there is a real problem in Americans and its racism and classisum(dont know if thats spelled right). All I know is that I defend the poor when ever I can because I came from a poor family and I made it. The only reason I made it is my family would live in the worst conditions to help put me thru school. I think this issue of race is not just the Black leaders responsibility but everyones. If we continue this path of creating the haves and the have nots this country will be headed for a civil war.

Darkstar, if you rose up from the ashes and stood on your own two feet all by yourself, why do you feel the need to defend those who dont even have the dignity to earn their living...those who feel they need to loot to get back at society. Obviously "society" couldnt hold you down, so you know its not all society's fault. You know they where there is a will, there is a way. So why do you need to defend the poor who use society holding them down as an excuse for their laziness?

Laziness?

So all poor people are lazy?

Damn man have you ever been to your home country?

in this country, yes. there are plenty of opportunities in this country for anyone to acquire decent amount of wealth. Im not talking about being filthy rich, but rich enough to not be dependent on others' handouts.

in this country, the only reason any able bodied person is on welfare or filthy poor is because they are lazy. Dont like the way things are? Quit waiting for others' handouts, get off your ass, get an education, and get a job (generally speaking)

and my home country doesnt even come into this equation since upward mobility is much more limited in India than over here.

and btw...i was born there...lived there for 12 years.


I suggest you take your socialist agenda to cuba where you will actually be heard

 

[OdiN]

Okay well here's my take on it. Looting is STEALING and is WRONG.

HOWEVER...I can at least understand why someone went and grabbed some food and water to feed to their family. I can live with them doing that and can agree that it is probably justified for their survival. Though they should be more concerned with getting evacuated.

When they are taking TV's and jewlery, that's different. They should be rounded up and thrown in jail for about 10 years. If the police have to shoot them to get their cooperation...so be it. Not saying lethal or anything...take em down with a beanbag shotgun or whatever. But they need to be put away for that and dealt with harshly.


Also....Proletariat is a moron.

 

[rodneyxiii]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Darkstar757


All I have to say is all the rich people in NO the french quater etc got out of NO cause they had the money too. So whats left,the poor which I guess just by natural fscking luck they are black. :roll: And as far as black leadership is concernd the NAACP hasnt done anything for me or my people since the times of MLK. However, it does change the fact that there is a real problem in Americans and its racism and classisum(dont know if thats spelled right). All I know is that I defend the poor when ever I can because I came from a poor family and I made it. The only reason I made it is my family would live in the worst conditions to help put me thru school. I think this issue of race is not just the Black leaders responsibility but everyones. If we continue this path of creating the haves and the have nots this country will be headed for a civil war.

Darkstar, if you rose up from the ashes and stood on your own two feet all by yourself, why do you feel the need to defend those who dont even have the dignity to earn their living...those who feel they need to loot to get back at society. Obviously "society" couldnt hold you down, so you know its not all society's fault. You know they where there is a will, there is a way. So why do you need to defend the poor who use society holding them down as an excuse for their laziness?

Laziness?

So all poor people are lazy?

Damn man have you ever been to your home country?

i have been to my home country, tho you weren't directing you comment to me, and yes, there are poor people in my home country. however, the point still stands, many of those poor people, my parents included, manage to barely scrape together enough money to get to the US, my parents came over with $600.00 in their pocket. and guess what, they did well for themselves, my dad and mom but 3 of us through college and 2 of us thru grad school. my dad and mom have a nice pension and are retired.

so don't tell me about poor.

the thing is, this country IS a country of opportunity. i know too many asian families where both parents work 2 jobs in order to get ahead. they then buy a small business and then grow it.

however, most of those families drive old beat up cars and never spend a lot of money on clothes.

go down a black neighborhood, they all have nice new cars in parked in the streets etc.

it's about priorities.

again, the LA riots, and Spike lee did a thing on it too, black neighborhood, all the locals gather around and complain because the koreans business owners only employ family members. guess what, any of the locals could have taken the initiative and opened their own store, but they only complain because they aren't given a job.

Come to my black neighborhood. Some people have nice cars but some are driving 10 year old beaters trying to make the sacrifice. That whole "black people are over materialistic thing" is insulting. You think only asian parents bust their asses for the next generation?
In my neighborhood and the people went to work each morning and took care of their kids. This may suprise some out there but living in the poor section of town is not all like the movie "Boyz in the hood"

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
again, the LA riots, and Spike lee did a thing on it too, black neighborhood, all the locals gather around and complain because the koreans business owners only employ family members. guess what, any of the locals could have taken the initiative and opened their own store, but they only complain because they aren't given a job.

the funny thing is, with the negative attitudes towards Korean store owners in "their" cities, wouldn't you think that black-owned franchises would thrive? i never understood why black owned franchises (dry cleaners, beauty supplies, etc) never drove out Korean businesses. *shrug*

 

[UDT89]

well do you guys put the people stealing diapers, water, ice, food in the same category as the people stealing football jerseys, tvs, and other non-essential things?

Unfortunatly its the same crime regardless of your reasoning behind it.

No one has a right to take something that isnt theirs. So to me black, white, purple, green, they're all wrong.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: UDT89
well do you guys put the people stealing diapers, water, ice, food in the same category as the people stealing football jerseys, tvs, and other non-essential things?

Unfortunatly its the same crime regardless of your reasoning behind it.

No one has a right to take something that isnt theirs. So to me black, white, purple, green, they're all wrong.

How is it the same?!?! The food is going to end up going to waste, and will be unusable. People are taking it to SURVIVE, and to LIVE. You know - prevent DEATH. You make it seem as if these people have a choice to leave, or another option - NEWS FLASH - they don't.

When it comes down to it, I hope one day you're the one starving and refusing to leave your roof because of your twisted moral system. The morality of the theft is only relevant to the situations of the people having to make the decision whether to do so.

Now - this does not apply to those stealing material things.....

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: UDT89
well do you guys put the people stealing diapers, water, ice, food in the same category as the people stealing football jerseys, tvs, and other non-essential things?

Unfortunatly its the same crime regardless of your reasoning behind it.

No one has a right to take something that isnt theirs. So to me black, white, purple, green, they're all wrong.

yea stealing is wrong. but stealing the bare necessities to survive is more justified than stealing non-essential items. its not a black or white issue. there is a gray area in between

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: UDT89
well do you guys put the people stealing diapers, water, ice, food in the same category as the people stealing football jerseys, tvs, and other non-essential things?

Unfortunatly its the same crime regardless of your reasoning behind it.

No one has a right to take something that isnt theirs. So to me black, white, purple, green, they're all wrong.

That's a load of crap.
It's not like they can go to the store and buy water, ice, or food. Water is required to live. If there is no legal way to obtain water, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with breaking laws to get water.

Now on the other hand, the people stealing non-vital stuff ... should go d i a f.

 

[SithSolo1]

What exactly is their rational for stealing TVs, electronics, etc.

A) You can't sell them
B) You don't have power
C) They are gonna get wet and break
D) Think of all the extra work you are having to do to lug that sh*t around

I mean wtf?

And yes I think it's more of a social class issue than a color issue though I've yet to hear of looting in the smaller towns that are just as badly hurt and are predominately white. They maybe be slightly higher on the social ladder but odds are most of them are still middle to upper poor.

 

[UDT89]

you hope one day im stuck on my roof? lol that angry are ya? i'm not saing its not justified, I'm just saying its the same crime. A cop could arrest both people if he wanted. I know thats going to come about in the news in the next few weeks. Mother gets arrested for stealing diapers.

what about stealing food/diapers in the absense of a natural disaster?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Don't lump all Americans together....this seems to be a problem of color.

Wow. That took some real balls.

Anyway, I'm torn about the looters. I know some of them are looting because they need food and water for their families, shoes because their feet are getting FUBAR, dry clothes so they don't catch cold, etc. But when I hear that police officers who are trying to maintain civility down there are getting shot in the head and national guardsmen who are getting shot and helos carrying support personnel and food and water from the national guard are getting shot at, it just rips me up. How do you tell the difference between a "good" looter or someone who's looting for the good of the many and a "bad" looter or someone who's just stealing for their own benefit, stealing radios, TVs and other electronics, destroying things just for the hell of it?

The national weather service warned of a Cat5 hurricane on Sunday and manditory evactuation was put into play. The people that are driving around or running around looting obviously have the ability to transport themselves elsewhere, but why didn't they go? Did they plan on taking advantage of the chaos?