Gandalf WAS a ring bearer. Not for the One Ring, but for one of the Elvish rings. Narya I believe, but its been a while since I've read the appendices or the silmarillion.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
all the wizards were returning, it was the end of the age of magic and the beginning of the age of men. the elves and wizards all left. remember, gandalf wasn't a man he was the same kind of being as the balrog (can't remember what they were called).
A Maia... Same "race" as Sauron and Saruman.
And Gandalf was a ringbearer. Cirdan gave him the Red Ring (Narya) in grey havens!
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gandalf was indeed a ringbearer, but you only see the ring in the movie, and only if you are paying attention in the scenes...
The three elven rings are held by The Lady Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf. Galadriel admits this openly to Frodo in the movie (Venya), Elrond never reveals that he has Nenya, and Gandalf wears the Ruby ring... whose name I cant remember at this time. If you watch, when they are boarding the ship to Valinor, Gandalf leans heavily on his staff and there is a red gemstone ring on his finger.
We all know where the nine rings of men went to.
Its uncertain what happened to the seven rings of trh Dwarf lords... One was supposedly in Smaugs Hoarde, as it is eluded to at some point that there is one at the base of each of the great hoards of dragons of old, but it is never mentioned in the Hobbit nor the Silmarion.
The three elven rings are held by The Lady Galadriel, Elrond, and Gandalf. Galadriel admits this openly to Frodo in the movie (Venya), Elrond never reveals that he has Nenya, and Gandalf wears the Ruby ring... whose name I cant remember at this time. If you watch, when they are boarding the ship to Valinor, Gandalf leans heavily on his staff and there is a red gemstone ring on his finger.
We all know where the nine rings of men went to.
Its uncertain what happened to the seven rings of trh Dwarf lords... One was supposedly in Smaugs Hoarde, as it is eluded to at some point that there is one at the base of each of the great hoards of dragons of old, but it is never mentioned in the Hobbit nor the Silmarion.
Sometimes I believe that.
Just the other day at lunch some people were talking about taking their kids to or going themselves to see The Chronicles of Narnia and talking about having read the book at one time or another. I kid you not one of the guys at the table said "that was a book?" which shocked us all. I swear people don't fvcking read anymore.
meltdown75
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really. i just started yet another WWII book. been a while since i read some fiction. never read the Narnia book(s).
Isn't that what we're doing here? Or are you referring to those weird things in places like Borders?
Ink on wood pulp, how quaint.
Just shocks me that people don't read that much anymore. With work and everything I don't get to read as much as I would like to, but I still read at least 1 book a month. Currently reading 1491
meltdown75
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hmm. nice editorial review on Amazon for that title. it's funny how even with all the great works of fiction over the years that some of the best reading is about actual events. one can only wonder how the history books about our time will be perceived 50 or 100 years from now.
Like the old saying goes "Truth is often stranger than fiction"
I read both, but always come back to history when I crave a really good story.
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:music:
It's not far down to paradise
At least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away
And find tranquility
The canvas can do miracles
Just you wait and see
Believe me
Sailing
Takes me away
To where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
:music:
Watching the homoerotic lovefest at the end of the movie, I thought for sure they would bust out the Christopher Cross song.
It's not far down to paradise
At least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away
And find tranquility
The canvas can do miracles
Just you wait and see
Believe me
Sailing
Takes me away
To where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
:music:
Watching the homoerotic lovefest at the end of the movie, I thought for sure they would bust out the Christopher Cross song.
JulesMaximus
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You must be the only person on the planet who hasn't seen LOTR-ROTK. Well, besides my wife and my 3 year old son.
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Originally posted by: MaxDepth
:music:
It's not far down to paradise
At least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away
And find tranquility
The canvas can do miracles
Just you wait and see
Believe me
Sailing
Takes me away
To where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
:music:
Watching the homoerotic lovefest at the end of the movie, I thought for sure they would bust out the Christopher Cross song.
Everything is a homoerotic lovefest to you.
Anubis
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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
Gandolf is from Valinor so he gets to go back. Sam does go back. I can't remembr if it is in the LotR or in one of the other books but Sam eventually leaves Middle Earth.
you are right he does leave its justmany years later, read the freeking apendicies its all in there
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Neither Gandalf or Aragorn were Numenorean. Aragorn was descended from them. Aragorn killed the only Numenorean in the movie ROTK.
The "Mouth of Sauron" was supposed to be a real Numenorean that had been in the service of Sauron since before the end of Numenor.
meltdown75
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wow thanks, I either didn't know that or had forgotten.
i thought they did a good job with the representation of the Mouth of Sauron, but he still seemed a little cooler in the book for some reason.
Did not know that. I stopped with The Hobbit and the 3 LotR books. Never read The Silmarilion (been meaning to though).
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
No, Gandalf was bearer of the Ring of Fire, one of the 3 Elven rings. Gandalf himself was, more or less, an "angel". He was an agent of the Valar, who were the creators of middle earth.
Jason
Think about where you are posting that statement. That's like going to a KKK rally and telling them they are a bunch of racists.
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