At the ending of lord of the ring the return of the king, why does frodo and uncle bilbo get on the ship with the elves and gandolf?
lord of the rings: return of the king ending (spoiler)
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blurredvision
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Well, seeing as to how they just saved the world, they needed a vacation. What better than a cruise!! Of course, someone will come in here and try to actually make meaning out of it
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Well, seeing as to how they just saved the world, they needed a vacation. What better than a cruise!! Of course, someone will come in here and try to actually make meaning out of it
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Its Valinor actually. The undying lands are only undying to elves by the way.
Frodo and Bilbo go across now because they were ringbearers... that magical power was leaving Middle earth, and they had to go as well. To understand more, you really do need to read the books however.
There are also two others that are not elves who travel to the Undying Lands: Sam (also a ringbearer) and Gimli, the Elf friend.
(Ok, I may be wrong on Gimli, but I think he goes as well...)
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That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
Gandolf is from Valinor so he gets to go back. Sam does go back. I can't remembr if it is in the LotR or in one of the other books but Sam eventually leaves Middle Earth.
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
That's all well and good, but the one plot hole discussed in 2 or 3 other threads about the same thing (yes, this is a big R) is that Sam WAS a ringbearer too for a short while and should have been granted access as well. Maybe it had sometime to do with him having a family and all at that point.. but forget them!
And come to think of it, Gandolf was never really a ringbearer either, he just held onto the thing in an envelope for like an hour. WTF?
all the wizards were returning, it was the end of the age of magic and the beginning of the age of men. the elves and wizards all left. remember, gandalf wasn't a man he was the same kind of being as the balrog (can't remember what they were called).
meltdown75
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was Gandalf a Numenorean? (sp?)
or was that Aragorn?
been so long since I read Lost Tales & Silmarillion.
btw, "YOU CANNOT PASS!" *slams staff down*
i still love that part.
"Go back to the shadows." :thumbsup:
or was that Aragorn?
been so long since I read Lost Tales & Silmarillion.
btw, "YOU CANNOT PASS!" *slams staff down*
i still love that part.
"Go back to the shadows." :thumbsup:
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