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Looks like The Titanic killed a few more people

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I think I read somewhere the navy didn't want to publicly make the information available because at the time it was just a data point as in lines on a graph and they didn't want to put that out there without first having proof that any debri or bodies were found while the searches were going on.
 
eelw said:
lol in the 3 page waiver, death is mentioned 7 times.
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Which was kind of the point of my post. People just sign waivers without reading because they are so common place. It's standard CYA for everything. It's like the Terms of Service box you have to click to install your software to certify that you read them...

On top of that, the CEO was reportedly telling customers that the one thing that was secure was the pressure hull that was designed with NASA and UW(both have denied these claims) and it was as locked down as it gets. Everything else could fail, but you would still be alive. At this point you aren't really making decision based on informed consent, but on fraudulent claims.

 
sportage said:
One news anchor was pointing out that we know more about the space above us than our own space below us. Which is true.

The press is calling these victims "explorers". I don't look at them as being explorers. Lewis and Clark, now THEY were explorers. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, they were explorers.

These five guys were not explorers, they simply paid a lot of cash and took a ride on a craft that even Disney would reject. But they are not explorers. A half a million for dad and son to commit hari-kari? Gee, thanks dad. Now AnandTech members, aren't you glad u have poor dads?
Yeah, ok, RIP.

PS. I wonder if this would have gotten so much attention if five black women living on welfare had been in that sub?
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A lot of social media hate calling them "explorers". Know who are explorers? NASA astronauts.

If this company has a history of cleaning up the oceans I might buy the explorer label. While I feel bad for their families they were nothing more than tourists
 
sze5003 said:
I think I read somewhere the navy didn't want to publicly make the information available because at the time it was just a data point as in lines on a graph and they didn't want to put that out there without first having proof that any debri or bodies were found while the searches were going on.
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Just a little background of this system.
www.usni.org

66 Years of Undersea Surveillance

Just over 66 years ago, one
www.usni.org www.usni.org
 
Paratus said:
Strangely enough the more I hear about this the more impressed I am with the actual design. With all the short cuts they took it must have had way more margin than I expected to last as long as it did.
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Without seeing an analysis of what they built it's hard to say but I assume the cylinder was on paper stronger than they thought they'd ever need for 13,000 ft thus the overconfidence in its service life. Concerns about cycling in carbon fiber subs aren't new and the Virgin guys pressure tested DeepFlight and realized that using it more than once was too risky. Hence I guess all the emails to the owner about "hey this is going to end badly eventually" vs his experience that it seems to work fine (until it didn't).
 
the high external pressure forces into the carbon fiber matrix and delaminates it. That is what Cameron was stating and his conclusion was the result of testing. It was like peeling apart a phone book that had been glued together, each cycle keeps driving the wedge in. Now the shear forces between those(NOW) separate pieces exceeds the material's strength.
 
skyking said:
the high external pressure forces into the carbon fiber matrix and delaminates it. That is what Cameron was stating and his conclusion was the result of testing. It was like peeling apart a phone book that had been glued together, each cycle keeps driving the wedge in. Now the shear forces between those(NOW) separate pieces exceeds the material's strength.
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That’s definitely one of the major failure modes. In spaceflight it’s possible to get humid air into the carbon fiber matrix when you are sitting on the pad in Florida and if you’re storing cryogenic fuels you can get ice build up which expands and starts the delamination process.
 
sze5003 said:
I think I read somewhere the navy didn't want to publicly make the information available because at the time it was just a data point as in lines on a graph and they didn't want to put that out there without first having proof that any debri or bodies were found while the searches were going on.
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From what I've read/heard apparently the Navy was concerned about military secrets being potentially exposed. :neutral:

Not sure how it helps delaying the release of the info a few days but well above my pay grade! (happily)
 
I'm still trying to understand how this guy built a company and was allowed to sell these excursions to tourists involving all the dangers when his sub wasn't even approved by any regulatory body.

It's one thing to do your own testing and development or something but to use it on others without approved regulation is another thing.
 
He sounds more and more like an inventor than a scientist. Should have used his mind to do something more productive, rather than figure out a "cheap" way to explore the ocean depths and get rich in the process. But then again, anything he would have done, he would have disregarded all safety protocols and refused to hire any domain expert to double check his work.

He should have been the only one to die on the very first deep dive and his "success" made him even more arrogant and dismissive of safety concerns. The people who knew how dangerous it was what he was doing, should have done more to put him out of business.
 
sze5003 said:
Not sure if the coverage is like this in other parts of the world but here in the states if anything happens to millionaires or high society status folks that's what the media gobbles up.
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Because Americans gobble up celebrity gossip, and it's generally not the rich Americans.

Americans also like odd stories, especially if there is a rescue story with a villain. Remember the Chilian miner rescue? That got more coverage than this.
 
Zorba said:
Because Americans gobble up celebrity gossip, and it's generally not the rich Americans.

Americans also like odd stories, especially if there is a rescue story with a villain. Remember the Chilian miner rescue? That got more coverage than this.
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That's a fairly compelling story to be fair.... I suggest watching the movie about it.

The guys that pulled off that rescue had balls of steel.
 
You know what was really hairy with even more intense individual heroics though ... 😳


Tham Luang cave rescue (Wiki)

"In June and July 2018, a junior association football team were rescued from the Tham Luang Nang Non cave in Chiang Rai Province in northern Thailand. Twelve members of the team, aged 11 to 16, and their 25-year-old assistant coach entered the cave on 23 June after a practice session. Shortly after they entered, heavy rainfall began and partially flooded the cave system, blocking their way out and trapping them deep within."

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skyking said:
It's our version of the royals.
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I vaguely remember some famous quote about imagining the ideal headline. It was something along the lines of "gay vicar in royal mercy dash".

Personally I've been pretty uninterested in this story from the start, barring a mild interest in the technical aspects of it all.

It's sad that some people have been bereaved. I don't bear any of them ill-will, it would obviously have been a happier outcome if they'd turned up bobbing around on the surface somewhere. Particularly don't want to think about the teenage son of the British-Asian rich dude, of whom I notice reports saying he didn't want to go because he was so anxious about the whole idea, but went to please his dad.

But if I spent time empathizing with and getting upset about every tragic death in the world, yet alone thinking about people's last moments, whether it's civilians being hit by Russian missiles in Ukraine or Saudi bombs in Yemen, or the would-be asylum-seekers on the small boats sinking in the English Channel, I'd be unable to function.

The Daily Mail, on the other hand, appears to have given it blanket coverage, and now has an article by some crackpot right-wing commentator fulminating about "the left" and "communists" being insufficiently sad about the outcome. Didn't read it as it would be bad for my blood pressure. There's no limit to the ability of the right and affluent white guys as a group, to claim victim status, and they will shamelessly use any event as a weapon in their top-down class war.
 
arrfep said:
Bonkers. When I go on a 20-mile bike ride, I take an extra tube  and a patch kit because I don't want to trust hopes and prayers to get me home in case of an incident.
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I don't go anywhere on my bike without an extra (new) tube and tire irons and a pump, which is duct-taped to my downtube (making it a difficult steal). I actually needed this stuff a couple weeks ago riding the 5 miles home from my gym. Lucky it was the front tire. My back tire tube is a lot tougher, being thorn resistant. That's heavier by far than the thin front tube but worth it to me. Changing the back tube on my 12 speed gets messy and is a lot more difficult.

Pumping up that tube with my dinky pump was not fun, at least 100 pumps and I had to use my foot pump to jack it up once home.
 
thilanliyan said:
I'd be hesitant for anything carbon fiber on my bike unless I'm competing lol...CF just shatters instead of bends like most metal and then you're screwed. A co-worker of mine had a carbon fiber piece where the handle bars connect (sorry don't know the proper terms) which shattered when he went over a bump. Lost control, crashed, broken collar bone and a few other injuries. I'll take my heavy steel cruiser bike thanks 😀
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well whose gonna tell the manufacturers of the A350 and 787 about this?
 
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