Saaweet! About fricking time now,I think this bill is finally in sight of the finishing line 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theno...c-option-its-back.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theno...c-option-its-back.html
Looks like the public option has enough votes to pass the senate
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Your comparing the Public option to that?? The public option is like Medicare and I don't see seniors dropping like flys who are on it.
CADsortaGUY
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lol, I don't think little harry knows how to count. I think this is more of a pressure move on his part. He'll back off a little in exchange for passing the turd that doesn't have the gov't intrusion portion. Hell, as it is, he hasn't had the votes to pass the one without, so how does anyone think he can pass one with it?
Yes! It is so certain, it is on blog.abcnews.com.
A procedural trick to get it passed? Wow, that must be one beautiful bill!
A procedural trick to get it passed? Wow, that must be one beautiful bill!
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medicare by itself was 3.2% of GDP in 2008. so we're spending more as a % of GDP on just medicare than that entry states singapore is spending on its entire system. singapore GDP per capita is slightly higher than the US so on a per capita basis it seems we're spending as much just on medicare as singapore is on everyone.
we're getting screwed and nothing in the health care deformation bill is doing anything to put a stop to it.
http://www.politico.com/livepu...s_a_public_option.html
Plus to my knowledge this is not the final bill.
LOL! You linked to another blog-type post that uses your origninal link as a source!
Holy crap it is the special olympics in here today. But dont worry Autism, I still like you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...ss-country_comparisons
The US government ALREADY Pays 45% of all Health Care costs, while in France they pay 79% of costs....and they are still dramatically lower than us with MUCH better results.
Man the repugs keep trying to hold this country back. A public option is a good start, but the only thing that will fix this for good is cradle to the grave UHC and hard ball negotiations with drug companies like every other nation.
Medicare D and other schemes to make the rich even richer are just disgusting.
The US government ALREADY Pays 45% of all Health Care costs, while in France they pay 79% of costs....and they are still dramatically lower than us with MUCH better results.
Man the repugs keep trying to hold this country back. A public option is a good start, but the only thing that will fix this for good is cradle to the grave UHC and hard ball negotiations with drug companies like every other nation.
Medicare D and other schemes to make the rich even richer are just disgusting.
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The article stated something I didn't know: Senators who vote on the procedural motion to defeat a filibuster of the HC bill aren't necessarily going to vote yes on the bill itself. So Reid can round up 60 votes (not counting ANY Republicans) to defeat the filibuster, and then pass the bill on even a 50-50 votes (with Biden providing the decisive vote).
I can easily see the Bluedogs voting yes on the procedural motion, and then (to save face with their constituents) voting no on the bill itself.
Reid's math may be just pefect.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
theoretically it's possible but bluedogs tend to be the smarter of the dem species. If they know it's just a trick they won't support it. PLUS you lose the potential RINO vote(s).
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shira
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I think everyone - even the rightest of the right wing - realizes that sooner or later a public option HAS to happen. And even if the insurance companies ultimately can't compete, there will still be a huge market for supplemental policies, same as for Medicare supplemental policies.
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The argument, "Just allow us to do an up or down vote," is a major, recurring argument in Washington. And it's pretty persuasive.
Consider a Bluedog Democrat facing a re-election challenge. He can say he made a principled vote to end Republican obstructionism by voting the kill the filibuster, to allow an "up or down" vote. But then he can correctly claim that he voted against the bill.
Consider, too, that even Bluedogs have an interest in giving Obama a major victory as opposed to a devastating loss.
I don't think Reid would risk alienating Snowe if he wasn't pretty sure of his numbers.
I know right? That's why senior citizens all vote democrat! Oh wait...
More lies, did you get that talking point from Fake News?
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I hope you welcome your new health care overlords.
Do you know what the most significant act a practioner can do with a patient? Get a complete patient history and do a thorough workup. Know how long the MINIMUM time that requires (and yes it's been measured)?
One hour-thirty minutes. Know what the average time an internist spends with a patient? Seven minutes. Know why? Because of money. No not money for them, but they have to see so many patients per hour to pay the bills. Now how has government addressed that? It hasn't. That being the case, the quality of health care will always suffer. Private AND public insurances are penny wise and pound foolish.
What a surprise.
Do you know what the most significant act a practioner can do with a patient? Get a complete patient history and do a thorough workup. Know how long the MINIMUM time that requires (and yes it's been measured)?
One hour-thirty minutes. Know what the average time an internist spends with a patient? Seven minutes. Know why? Because of money. No not money for them, but they have to see so many patients per hour to pay the bills. Now how has government addressed that? It hasn't. That being the case, the quality of health care will always suffer. Private AND public insurances are penny wise and pound foolish.
What a surprise.
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Welcome to either excess costs or rationing. Hey, maybe we'll be lucky enough to get both. Given a limited budget, the only way to reduce costs is to ration. I can't believe some people believe that this will not occur. And I still don't know to what extent efforts must be made to keep a person alive. What happens if a procedure costs 2 million for an extra year of life. Or what if it only increases quality of life for a year as opposed to extending it. There is not enough healthcare to go around, because there is not an infinite amount of money to make EVERY possible attempt.
Meh meh meh meh meh.
Meh meh meh meh meh.
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I hope you welcome your new health care overlords.
Do you know what the most significant act a practioner can do with a patient? Get a complete patient history and do a thorough workup. Know how long the MINIMUM time that requires (and yes it's been measured)?
One hour-thirty minutes. Know what the average time an internist spends with a patient? Seven minutes. Know why? Because of money. No not money for them, but they have to see so many patients per hour to pay the bills. Now how has government addressed that? It hasn't. That being the case, the quality of health care will always suffer. Private AND public insurances are penny wise and pound foolish.
What a surprise.
This. The bill won't do jackshit, regardless of what color they paint the turd before they finally sign it. Sometimes I wonder whether they ever intended to address the real problems with our system in the first place...
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