Looks Like Our Boy Allawi Lost... Badly

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Its really sad when in retrospect, Sadaam was the best person to build a secular nation. Even sadder when we're paying billions to a country that will soon collaborate to attack us

What's your definition of "best?" Does that include ridding politicians who aren't aligned with you by pulling them out of a meeting and murdering them on the spot?

And how do you know they are going to attack us? From where does this prescient moment originate?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

Kerry stated - publicly - that he committed war crimes.

An extremist blurring the facts.

Kerry related stories of other soldiers from the Winter Soldier hearings. Kerry said he personally participated in free fire zones and that anyone who participates in a free fire zone is guilty of war crimes.

There are free fire zones in Iraq.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis.

You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Lying? Perhaps. Sicko? I don't see it. Asserting that Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 makes him a sicko, because in fact Bush is only responsible for (at a minimum) 15,654?

Edit: I thought "lieing" looked wrong...

 

[yllus]

Allow me to sum up many of the posts to this thread:

"Oh noes, our whiny handwringing about a puppet government didn't pan out. Quick, find a way to whine about democracy actually working instead!"

Keep it up boys.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

Kerry stated - publicly - that he committed war crimes.

An extremist blurring the facts.

Kerry related stories of other soldiers from the Winter Soldier hearings. Kerry said he personally participated in free fire zones and that anyone who participates in a free fire zone is guilty of war crimes.

There are free fire zones in Iraq.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis.

You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Lying? Perhaps. Sicko? I don't see it. Asserting that Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 makes him a sicko, because in fact Bush is only responsible for (at a minimum) 15,654?

Edit: I thought "lieing" looked wrong...

No, using an ubsurd number that has been proven wrong makes him a sicko. When the actual the number is 1/4 of what he said, that makes him a sicko. Using death to further your anti-Bush cause. Please if your going to throw out lies, at least make sure they are good ones

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: raildogg
You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Well first off, I don't trust those numbers.

But if they are true, I mean I've been responsible for that many deaths since breakfast, so if that's all it is I guess dubya isn't so bad after all.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: raildogg
You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Well first off, I don't trust those numbers.

But if they are true, I mean I've been responsible for that many deaths since breakfast, so if that's all it is I guess dubya isn't so bad after all.

Right, those numbers are far too low for you huh? Bush haters don't actually care for the number of people killed or have sympathy for then, instead they are using this to make him look like a mass murderer, which he isn't.

Seriously, why do you people wan't 100,000 people to die?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

Kerry stated - publicly - that he committed war crimes.

An extremist blurring the facts.

Kerry related stories of other soldiers from the Winter Soldier hearings. Kerry said he personally participated in free fire zones and that anyone who participates in a free fire zone is guilty of war crimes.

There are free fire zones in Iraq.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis.

You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Lying? Perhaps. Sicko? I don't see it. Asserting that Bush is responsible for the deaths of 100,000 makes him a sicko, because in fact Bush is only responsible for (at a minimum) 15,654?

Edit: I thought "lieing" looked wrong...

No, using an ubsurd number that has been proven wrong makes him a sicko. When the actual the number is 1/4 of what he said, that makes him a sicko. Using death to further your anti-Bush cause. Please if your going to throw out lies, at least make sure they are good ones

You missed my point. We are talking about massive deaths, with either number, and 100,000 isn't much worse than 15,654 when we reach deaths on this scale.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: raildogg
You lieing sicko. The minimum body total body count is 15,654 and the maximum is 17,884. Shameless Text :thumbsdown:

Well first off, I don't trust those numbers.

But if they are true, I mean I've been responsible for that many deaths since breakfast, so if that's all it is I guess dubya isn't so bad after all.

Right, those numbers are far too low for you huh? Bush haters don't actually care for the number of people killed or have sympathy for then, instead they are using this to make him look like a mass murderer, which he isn't.

Seriously, why do you people wan't 100,000 people to die?

No, I'm not trying to do that at all. In fact, if I were trying to do that, 15 000 dead people would be plenty.

I don't want 100 000 people to die. I don't want 15 000 people to die. I don't want anyone to die (well, to be killed, I should clarify).

My problem with the numbers you linked to is that while I find it very credible that all the people they are counting as dead, are in fact dead, I really think they're missing quite a few others.

I would appreciate not being called 'you people' as I don't think there's a single person on this message board with whom I have never disagreed.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Seriously, why do you people wan't 100,000 people to die?

What makes you think he wanted people to die? :roll:

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050203/D88190P80.html

It seems that secular, Western businessman-like Allawi (who the neocons loved so much because he promised an oil pipeline to Tel Aviv), got a whopping 19% of the vote. The Shiite Alliance got 75%.

How long before Allawi gets his head cut off in front of a camera like a piece of Halal meat? I wonder...

But you have to love democracy! When this thing is over, I bet GWB and the Neocons will practically be beggin Saddam Hussein to come back.

Just b/c his party lost doesn't mean the he won't get re-elected PM. He still is a Shiite...

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

It's a fact, Kerry has admitted to committing war crimes.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

It's a fact, Kerry has admitted to committing war crimes.

God you guys are such BAD people. Its good the Kerry admitted he was committing war crimes. Half of these other pasty bastards did the same thing and never admitted it.

Let me put it in a way you can understand: He was FOLLOWING ORDERS.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm just waiting for the day we see open alliances between Shiite-controlled Iran and Shiite-controlled Iraq.

That's the day Bush will get a hardy [Nelson] HA HA [/Nelson] from the world. 😀

I'm sure we'll see small alliances between the Shi'a from both countries. Their religion is a bond between them. Just like the Ba'athists in Iraq had a bond with Syria and the Sunni had bonds with SA.

There are some big buts there though. First of all, Iraqis are not exactly good buddies with the Iranians. They fought a long, hard war against each other and each villified the other. Those old hatreds are still ingrained. Additionally, the Irqi Shi'a tend to be more moderate than the Iranians and see themselves as separate and different. And last of all, nationalism is a much stronger bond in the ME than many in the west would believe. Arabs don't trust other Arabs from different countries, let alone the Persians.

iow, it's not quite the natural match made in heaven one may assume it to be.

Wow...I just agreed with you....😱
/me slaps slef

Originally posted by: Rainsford
How do you know what the Iraqis desire? All they've shown so far is that they want to vote...and they seem to be leaning towards candidates backed by the Shiite Clergy. To me, that suggests they want a religious influence far exceeding that in the US government..

Middle eat is a much more religious region anyways.

Originally posted by: ntdz
Just b/c his party lost doesn't mean the he won't get re-elected PM. He still is a Shiite...

Who is a tool. Period.


As for the results...still to early to tell. I personally hope Allawi loses. I know Iraq won't turn into a theocracy, because people do not want that. But to think they don't want religion in their lives is very quick jump~ Iraqi demoracy will be molded to a much greater degree than it will here.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Would all the detractors in here before the elections who claimed this vote would result in nothing but a puppet government please raise their hands and admit they were wrong?

Frankly, it will be a long time before we know if that's true or whether Iraq will be like Cuba or the Phillipines in the decades immediately after the US granted them independence.

True. But we will know the direction this government will take in a relatively short time.

Iraqis are not used to Islamic rule and don't seem to desire it. Neither do they care to be like Iran. Does that mean their laws won't be based on Islam? No. That'd be like saying our laws are not based on Christianity. Their laws will have to align with their basic beliefs.

But those in here need to be very careful with the gloom and doom predictions. Thus far, the gloom and doom crowd has been failing miserably.

How do you know what the Iraqis desire?

Because I read a lot of blogs from Iraqis and that's what they claim. So far, what I've read about Iraqis from those blogs has been spot on and correct so I have no reason to doubt them now.

Besides that, my son is in Iraq so I get info from him as well.

I'm sure an American soldier has great insight into Iraqi culture. You know about 80% of the population dislikes the occupation right?

You have been reading a lot of blogs eh? Have you read this one:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...

"There hasn?t been a drop of water in the faucets for six days. six days. Even at the beginning of the occupation, when the water would disappear in the summer, there was always a trickle that would come from one of the pipes in the garden. Now, even that is gone. We?ve been purchasing bottles of water (the price has gone up) to use for cooking and drinking. Forget about cleaning. It?s really frustrating because everyone cleans house during Eid. It?s like a part of the tradition. The days leading up to Eid are a frenzy of mops, brooms, dusting rags and disinfectant. The cleaning makes one feel like there's room for a fresh start. It's almost as if the house and its inhabitants are being reborn. Not this year. We?re managing just enough water to rinse dishes with. To bathe, we have to try to make-do with a few liters of water heated in pots on kerosene heaters."


I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems? How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia? Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?

Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper?terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.

The weapons never existed. It's like having a loved one sentenced to death for a crime they didn't commit- having your country burned and bombed beyond recognition, almost. Then, after two years of grieving for the lost people, and mourning the lost sovereignty, we're told we were innocent of harboring those weapons. We were never a threat to America...

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

That is powerful stuff.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Aimster
Didn't Allawai kill 4-5 people in cold blood? Why the hell are we cheering for him?

Half of America cheers for Bush, and look how many he's killed.

Bush hasn't killed anyone.. God you guys are extreme.. No wonder why you keep losing elections.

Edit.. now that I think about it, Bush has killed a lot less than 'War Crimes' Kerry too..

Should you really be talking about extremism when you say Kerry has committed war crimes? 😉

It's a fact, Kerry has admitted to committing war crimes.

God you guys are such BAD people. Its good the Kerry admitted he was committing war crimes. Half of these other pasty bastards did the same thing and never admitted it.

Let me put it in a way you can understand: He was FOLLOWING ORDERS.

I'm just judging him at all (I don't blame him for what he did, at all), just pointing out Infohawk is dumb to say that its "extremist" to say Kerry committed war crimes when it's common knowledge he did.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I'm just judging him at all (I don't blame him for what he did, at all), just pointing out Infohawk is dumb to say that its "extremist" to say Kerry committed war crimes when it's common knowledge he did.

It's the partisan switf-boatesque aspect that makes me think it's hypocritical for Crimson to talk about extremism. (And you can play the same games with Bush. His decisions have let to the deaths of thousands of people. Period. )

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Would all the detractors in here before the elections who claimed this vote would result in nothing but a puppet government please raise their hands and admit they were wrong?

Frankly, it will be a long time before we know if that's true or whether Iraq will be like Cuba or the Phillipines in the decades immediately after the US granted them independence.

True. But we will know the direction this government will take in a relatively short time.

Iraqis are not used to Islamic rule and don't seem to desire it. Neither do they care to be like Iran. Does that mean their laws won't be based on Islam? No. That'd be like saying our laws are not based on Christianity. Their laws will have to align with their basic beliefs.

But those in here need to be very careful with the gloom and doom predictions. Thus far, the gloom and doom crowd has been failing miserably.

How do you know what the Iraqis desire?

Because I read a lot of blogs from Iraqis and that's what they claim. So far, what I've read about Iraqis from those blogs has been spot on and correct so I have no reason to doubt them now.

Besides that, my son is in Iraq so I get info from him as well.

I'm sure an American soldier has great insight into Iraqi culture. You know about 80% of the population dislikes the occupation right?

You have been reading a lot of blogs eh? Have you read this one:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...

"There hasn?t been a drop of water in the faucets for six days. six days. Even at the beginning of the occupation, when the water would disappear in the summer, there was always a trickle that would come from one of the pipes in the garden. Now, even that is gone. We?ve been purchasing bottles of water (the price has gone up) to use for cooking and drinking. Forget about cleaning. It?s really frustrating because everyone cleans house during Eid. It?s like a part of the tradition. The days leading up to Eid are a frenzy of mops, brooms, dusting rags and disinfectant. The cleaning makes one feel like there's room for a fresh start. It's almost as if the house and its inhabitants are being reborn. Not this year. We?re managing just enough water to rinse dishes with. To bathe, we have to try to make-do with a few liters of water heated in pots on kerosene heaters."


I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems? How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia? Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?

Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper?terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.

The weapons never existed. It's like having a loved one sentenced to death for a crime they didn't commit- having your country burned and bombed beyond recognition, almost. Then, after two years of grieving for the lost people, and mourning the lost sovereignty, we're told we were innocent of harboring those weapons. We were never a threat to America...

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

That is powerful stuff.

Oh yeah, I read Riverbend. She's practically the sole mouthpiece in Iraq for the left fringers and out of ALL the Iraqi bloggers, the lefties will tell you that she's the only one telling the truth. Imagine that? All the other bloggers are full of sh!t...except for her.

Hmmmm.

And surely an American soldier in Iraq has no clue about Iraqi culture whatsoever, despite working with Iraqis every day? Uh huh, that makes a lot of sense...to those whose IQ is somewhere around 65. :roll:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: conjur
But...but...but...the Shiites said they'd develop a secular government. 😕

Secular? Have you looked at the Iraqi Consititution? It declares Islam the official national religion.

Constitution? I thought that the new governement was to draft a constitution? (a new one? 😕 )

Yeah...to replace the template Constitution the U.S. put into place. But, the Sunnis will probably have the power to veto any new Iraqi Constitution.

Good grief...htf did a thread on the Iraqi election results turn into a Kerry-bashing fete?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm just waiting for the day we see open alliances between Shiite-controlled Iran and Shiite-controlled Iraq.

That's the day Bush will get a hardy [Nelson] HA HA [/Nelson] from the world. 😀

The Shite Arabs (Iraq) dislike the Shite Persians (Iran), in fact they go so far as to bar their children from intermarrying. Although they share a common religion they have a rather intense at times dislike for each others ethnicity. How this will play out is anyones guess but I would wager Iran and Iraq are not going to be the best of friends.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Would all the detractors in here before the elections who claimed this vote would result in nothing but a puppet government please raise their hands and admit they were wrong?

Frankly, it will be a long time before we know if that's true or whether Iraq will be like Cuba or the Phillipines in the decades immediately after the US granted them independence.

True. But we will know the direction this government will take in a relatively short time.

Iraqis are not used to Islamic rule and don't seem to desire it. Neither do they care to be like Iran. Does that mean their laws won't be based on Islam? No. That'd be like saying our laws are not based on Christianity. Their laws will have to align with their basic beliefs.

But those in here need to be very careful with the gloom and doom predictions. Thus far, the gloom and doom crowd has been failing miserably.

How do you know what the Iraqis desire?

Because I read a lot of blogs from Iraqis and that's what they claim. So far, what I've read about Iraqis from those blogs has been spot on and correct so I have no reason to doubt them now.

Besides that, my son is in Iraq so I get info from him as well.

I'm sure an American soldier has great insight into Iraqi culture. You know about 80% of the population dislikes the occupation right?

You have been reading a lot of blogs eh? Have you read this one:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...

"There hasn?t been a drop of water in the faucets for six days. six days. Even at the beginning of the occupation, when the water would disappear in the summer, there was always a trickle that would come from one of the pipes in the garden. Now, even that is gone. We?ve been purchasing bottles of water (the price has gone up) to use for cooking and drinking. Forget about cleaning. It?s really frustrating because everyone cleans house during Eid. It?s like a part of the tradition. The days leading up to Eid are a frenzy of mops, brooms, dusting rags and disinfectant. The cleaning makes one feel like there's room for a fresh start. It's almost as if the house and its inhabitants are being reborn. Not this year. We?re managing just enough water to rinse dishes with. To bathe, we have to try to make-do with a few liters of water heated in pots on kerosene heaters."


I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems? How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia? Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?

Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper?terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.

The weapons never existed. It's like having a loved one sentenced to death for a crime they didn't commit- having your country burned and bombed beyond recognition, almost. Then, after two years of grieving for the lost people, and mourning the lost sovereignty, we're told we were innocent of harboring those weapons. We were never a threat to America...

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

That is powerful stuff.

Oh yeah, I read Riverbend. She's practically the sole mouthpiece in Iraq for the left fringers and out of ALL the Iraqi bloggers, the lefties will tell you that she's the only one telling the truth. Imagine that? All the other bloggers are full of sh!t...except for her.

Hmmmm.

And surely an American soldier in Iraq has no clue about Iraqi culture whatsoever, despite working with Iraqis every day? Uh huh, that makes a lot of sense...to those whose IQ is somewhere around 65. :roll:

American soldiers are despised in most parts of Iraq. Even the British get annoyed with them because of their cultural insensitivity, bloodlust and arrogance. There have been reports of Marines urinating on Mosques and doing other such things.

Unless your son is outside the norm and respects the Iraqi culture and history I don't see how he could know anything about it. If he did and if you did you would not support this war.

If my IQ was 65 I would not be able to forumulate proper sentences.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And surely an American soldier in Iraq has no clue about Iraqi culture whatsoever, despite working with Iraqis every day? Uh huh, that makes a lot of sense...to those whose IQ is somewhere around 65. :roll:

Yeah, going on house-to-house searches really is immersing the troops into Iraqi culture.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Would all the detractors in here before the elections who claimed this vote would result in nothing but a puppet government please raise their hands and admit they were wrong?

Frankly, it will be a long time before we know if that's true or whether Iraq will be like Cuba or the Phillipines in the decades immediately after the US granted them independence.

True. But we will know the direction this government will take in a relatively short time.

Iraqis are not used to Islamic rule and don't seem to desire it. Neither do they care to be like Iran. Does that mean their laws won't be based on Islam? No. That'd be like saying our laws are not based on Christianity. Their laws will have to align with their basic beliefs.

But those in here need to be very careful with the gloom and doom predictions. Thus far, the gloom and doom crowd has been failing miserably.

How do you know what the Iraqis desire?

Because I read a lot of blogs from Iraqis and that's what they claim. So far, what I've read about Iraqis from those blogs has been spot on and correct so I have no reason to doubt them now.

Besides that, my son is in Iraq so I get info from him as well.

I'm sure an American soldier has great insight into Iraqi culture. You know about 80% of the population dislikes the occupation right?

You have been reading a lot of blogs eh? Have you read this one:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...

"There hasn?t been a drop of water in the faucets for six days. six days. Even at the beginning of the occupation, when the water would disappear in the summer, there was always a trickle that would come from one of the pipes in the garden. Now, even that is gone. We?ve been purchasing bottles of water (the price has gone up) to use for cooking and drinking. Forget about cleaning. It?s really frustrating because everyone cleans house during Eid. It?s like a part of the tradition. The days leading up to Eid are a frenzy of mops, brooms, dusting rags and disinfectant. The cleaning makes one feel like there's room for a fresh start. It's almost as if the house and its inhabitants are being reborn. Not this year. We?re managing just enough water to rinse dishes with. To bathe, we have to try to make-do with a few liters of water heated in pots on kerosene heaters."


I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems? How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia? Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?

Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper?terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.

The weapons never existed. It's like having a loved one sentenced to death for a crime they didn't commit- having your country burned and bombed beyond recognition, almost. Then, after two years of grieving for the lost people, and mourning the lost sovereignty, we're told we were innocent of harboring those weapons. We were never a threat to America...

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

That is powerful stuff.

Oh yeah, I read Riverbend. She's practically the sole mouthpiece in Iraq for the left fringers and out of ALL the Iraqi bloggers, the lefties will tell you that she's the only one telling the truth. Imagine that? All the other bloggers are full of sh!t...except for her.

Hmmmm.

And surely an American soldier in Iraq has no clue about Iraqi culture whatsoever, despite working with Iraqis every day? Uh huh, that makes a lot of sense...to those whose IQ is somewhere around 65. :roll:

American soldiers are despised in most parts of Iraq. Even the British get annoyed with them because of their cultural insensitivity, bloodlust and arrogance. There have been reports of Marines urinating on Mosques and doing other such things.

Another who hears reports of the behavior by the few dolts in the military and broadly brushes all others that way. The classic "Ugly American" thinking. It's rather stereotypical.

Unless your son is outside the norm and respects the Iraqi culture and history I don't see how he could know anything about it. If he did and if you did you would not support this war.

So you know for a fact that the norm in Iraq is disrespect of Iraqis by the military? Puhleeze.

If my IQ was 65 I would not be able to forumulate proper sentences.

Maybe I'm confusing pessimism and stereotypical assumptions with capacity for intelligence?

That must be it.

 

[Proletariat]

The military invasion of Iraq is disrespecting Iraqi's tremendously. Anyways I really don't like arguing with you. You obviously have a vested interest in the success of the American Imperial Occupation in Iraq so you will continue on that train of thought and I can't blame you, if I had a son/daughter in Iraq I would feel the same way. I hope he stays safe and comes home to you and the rest of his family in one piece.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur
Allawi is a tool. Iraqis saw through the propaganda.

Given that most of Iraq's population is Shiite, your proposition is suspect at best. It's far more likely that they voted out of familiarity for a cause (their religion) they know versus an idea they don't.

Man but you like to misrepresent events, don't you?

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Stunt
So....if this trend continues we have another radical religious government in the middle east with ties to iran...

Bahahahahah!!!! that's the funniest sh!t ever!

The iraqis are allowed democratic elections and they put in someone that could align with an axis of evil state.

Oh man...just when you think $200+ billion couldn't have been worse spent.

Maybe the US should judt put saddam back in power...lol!!!!

It wouldn't surprise me at all, either. Of course TRY telling people that we shouldn't have ALLOWED them to have elections until we had killed off some of their religious culture and replaced it with a more secular viewpoint...sheesh.

Jason