Looks like godless Americans will be voting for Kerry

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Shux, I don't know anyone who is against the separation of church and state. The issue is what does the separation of church and state really mean.

I think that it's fairly clear though that founding fathers had a different view than the ACLU and most liberals today.

It is one of two issues I can agree with when it comes to the ACLU..... Freedom of Speech and Separation of Church and State. What I don't understand is why it's not OK to like some things about what one group might have to say. I am a memeber of the NRA, but I think the NRA is too often on the wrong side of an argument, same with the ALCU. Then agian those rights that we are talking about were all pretty Black and White and I think thats why they adopted them, otherwise why would they have bothered? Then agian, I have been alive and aware long enough to have watched the uprise of the "Christian Right" and know full well what that agenda has been since 1980.

I am done with this thread, thank you.






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[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I never claimed that America is righteous.

The vast majority of Americans call themselves "Christians" and in the last presidential election, the vote was split.

Doesn't that suggest that Christians don't vote in a bloc?

No. The vast majority of Americans have Christian or Catholic heritages - this is monumentally different from being practicing Christians that vote according to their faith.

Try again. 🙂

Huh, so you expect people to vote contrary to their beliefs?

Dude - you really need to read between the lines. Most people who have some association either by heritage or some sort of weak shallow social association to Christianity really are not *practicing* Christians - in other words - their belief system is formed based upon life experiences and conclusions which are not Bibically sound.

This is why the Church - the one single social entity which can actually make a difference in this world - have failed - non-Christians see the hypocrisy and are turned away from it - we're not setting the right examples for mankind. When self-proclaimed Christians act and vote like non-Christians, the non-Christians see no reason to follow.

If you are looking for hypocrisy, you are going to find it. Man is inherently flawed as are all human institutions, including churches.

That didn't stop me from becoming a Christian (in the Biblical, not the cultural sense) because I didn't look towards man but to God's word.

Anyway, getting back to the topic, why do you think many "practicing" Christians vote conservative/republican and not liberal/democrat?

"Practicing Christians" are more likely to vote republican because thats how they're conditioned to vote. Republicans tend to have the same interests as the demographics that "practicing Christians" tend to have - due mainly to their demographics rather than their beliefs. If they vote republican due to their religious beliefs, it is due to their views on gays and abortions (which I completely agree with) - but only on those issues.

They fail to realize that this administration is whored out to oil and energy companies, and that the arrogance and unilateral global policies are grossly negligent of both future america and the world, and if anything, are diametrically opposed to Jesus's teachings of love and humility.