Looking to the future...

[Shortass]

My eyes are seriously bleeding right now. My god.

Why do you LIKE the fact that Intel is able to destroy, as far as we can tell, overclocking from mainstream (or even low end) platforms so we start "getting what we pay for"? And how is a late release for Nehalem good for anything other than keeping current prices high and delaying computing progress? It's almost like you enjoy paying money you don't usually need to in order to get the same performance boost we're used to.

Just because you think having a top end part is cool because it's expensive doesn't mean everyone else should suffer to make you feel entitled. The business model which enables this sort of thinking hurts every computer enthusiast who has and will overclock their computers and will taint whatever goodwill Intel has with the enthusiast community. Turning their backs on your most rabid consumer base, even if they aren't particularly loyal, will simply spread hate on the internets and will eventually hurt them. I'll simply delay upgrading my computer until AMD has something competitive; it's not like CPU's are the major bottleneck at this point anyway.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So how is this going to hurt enthusist . This is going to be big for everyone! First who says no O/Cing the mid/low end? The part thats interesting in the high end is DDR3/3 and THe QPlink . This is whats going to seperate the men from the boys. I don't know how it will be without larrabbee. But with larrabbee it could get interesting very quicky . QPlink.

By agreements AMD can't leverage QPlink until 6 months after intel releases.

 

[bryanW1995]

sometimes you just throw out things that don't make any sense. sometimes they MIGHT make sense, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. Why would amd want to leverage QPlink? do you mean the ati division for their graphics cards? If so, why would intel restrict that? ATI and intel are very buddy-buddy right now b/c intel correctly considers nvidia to be a much more serious threat.

 

[taltamir]

I don't expect nehalem to matter to anyone but those who pay for 1000+$ CPUs for a few years... because the non extreme versions are utilizing a new FSB lock mechanism designed by intel to completely prevent any type of overclocking.
Now if someone found a way to crack that mechanism... that is doubtful though.

but otherwise you should just OC a penryn.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Its not a restriction . Its a grace period. It allows Intel to get its new tech out and become compeitive with larrabbee. Yes I was referring to ATI. Intel and ATI still have alot of tech. agreements in place. If I didn't know any better I would say Intel and AMD are working extremely close together.

The Thing that has NV panties in a bind isn't just INTEL! Its ATI. ATI gpus use epic. Intel has some great compilers(Note AMD is starting to scream about those compilers)

I shake my head every time I think about that. This is a huge benefit to amd. AMD also has x86 so they can do many things and actually have the people in place. OH! YA! Hector paid to much for ATI . But it saved AMDs ass. Thats a fact.

Ati will run fine on highend Nehalem. Its just they can't use the QPI link the way larrabbee will. Until after 6months. Its fair and right. The question is will Intel lock NV out of THE high end with the QPlink? I hope they do for awhile so we can hear the beast whine even more.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
but otherwise you should just OC a penryn.

To nip that activity in the bud Intel need only migrate to a 400 or 500MHz FSB and be done with it (knock the multi down accordingly).

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: Idontcare
But at the end of the day here I am still talking about aging and obsolescent 65nm tech while you get to sit back and think about how all us poor suckers just have no idea (we can't, we don't have the insider info) how big nehalem is going to be when it hits the markets...and for that I just ask that you have some forum pity on us blind enthusiasts

Hardly that bad... the 6x50s and quads just came out last year! Geesh. I'm aging and obsolescent. I think the 1st-gen quads still have a long ways to run...

I've had my first quad since Nov 2006...to me that is ages and ages

I'm ready for an upgrade, Moore's law entitles me to 2X the performance come this fall so I have high expectations for Nehalem.

I know, I think it's about time for me to get rid of my paper-tape reader finally.

 

[Acanthus]

On a side note... im encoding 6 hour DVDs in nero vision in under an hour.

WTF do i want nehalem for again?

In all seriousness, im probably going to wait for 32nm before i jump ship to a new socket... ddr3... and nehalem, and at that point there still would have to be a substantial performance jump for me to consider it, as im satisfied with my current performance across the board for the 1st time in a long time for a PC this old.