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[Viper GTS]

<< This card has been problematic for a while and Andrew and I have communicated regarding this. He has also not necessarily gone out of business...he is still selling other places. Just not from a site and not around here. He still has contact with the same supplier who has since changed to a 30-day warranty instead of the previous 1-year. The fact that the card is not the "cutting edge" anymore is irrelevent. It worked fine in one of my kids' machines. The point is we have a dealer/seller or whatever you want to call him not standing by an original purchase agreement. >>



Take it up with his supplier then.

Viper GTS

 

[Strych9]

The purchase "contract" is not with his supplier. It is with him.

 

[Viper GTS]

<< The purchase "contract" is not with his supplier. It is with him. >>



Do you honestly think that dealers eat the costs of RMA'd merchandise?

It gets returned to... (insert drumroll here)

THE SUPPLIER!

You're being ridiculous, considering the card is maybe worth $50 now.

Hell, he probably doesn't even have GF2 stock anymore.

BTW, I had an identical GF2 die on me as well. It wasn't from Untamo, but it was the same Creative manufactured board he was selling. I got my $180 worth of use out of it, I overclocked the hell out of it & then one day it died. Sold it for $40 to someone in FS/FT who thought they could fix it & called it good.

And it was worth a whole heck of a lot more than $50 then, too. They were still selling for $140 then.

Also, if you ever overclocked either the core or memory your argument is pointless anyway.

Viper GTS

 

[kranky]

If the guy said "1 year warranty" on his site, then he ought to back it up! How is it the buyer's fault that his supplier doesn't cooperate? Yeah, it's tough for the seller, but he should stand behind what he said when he was selling it.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< The purchase "contract" is not with his supplier. It is with him. >>

OK, you spoke with him, he said Kiss Kadoo, you have your mind made up he's responsible, what purpose is this thread?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

While it may not be worth putting up a huge stink about things, the fact is that you bought a card with the express expectation of a 1-year warranty. Above all, this needs to be honored. In my opinion, the "supplier" refusing to honor the purchase agreement brings the words "crock o' sh1t" to mind. Don't go for the throat on Untamo, but it's reasonable to not let this die. Put the aim on the supplier.

 

<< He was selling stuff as a dealer....not a private person....with a one year warranty which was advertised on his site. Sounds legally binding to me. If this was a newbee pulling this kinda stuff it would be a head hunt. >>



As I said, where is your proof that will hold up in court? Did he have a dealers license? Was he an official tax registered business?
If it was a newbie doing this, they would probably not be a "business" right?



<< OK, you spoke with him, he said Kiss Kadoo, you have your mind made up he's responsible, what purpose is this thread? >>


And thats the bottom line.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

If he said it had a one year warranty he should honor it. That winwinwin fella did the same thing and a lynch mob got called out but because this guy was more popular and liked he gets away with it. I personally thought the way he handled all the probs with the CDR sales was poor also.

As everyone else says though, your screwed, might as well just move on but just because it is the beloved Untamo does not make a crappy deal right.

 

[Strych9]

<< Did he have a dealers license? Was he an official tax registered business? >>

Doesn't need either one to make a deal legally binding. Do some research. The point is this....there was a purchase agreement between a buyer and seller with specified terms. It doesn't matter what the item purchased/sold was and it doesn't matter what it is worth today. The seller, above anyone else, has the responsibility to abide by and honor the terms of the purchase.



<< what purpose is this thread >>



The purpose of this thread was to get additional input regarding this deal and to also warn others to be careful who they buy from regardless of reputation. There are obviously people here trying to defend a friend and that's fine. But so far many of the comments/arguments have been w/o support and somewhat childish.

 

[rahvin]

Sammy,

Don't be stupid. The warranty was on the web page, the verbage is a legally binding contract at the time of sale because it was a "term of sale". Unless he excluded himself in that wording from proving the warranty (ie a manufacturer 1 year warranty) then the contract is enforcable in any court in this nation.

Nevertheless, the point of this thread is just as Red said. So you had a contract, he broke it and you both know it. So why are you posting? If you want to go the legal route, sue him, it will cost you more than the replacement value of the card to do it. You already know this because you already mentioned the court, I think your hot air and just posting this thread to flame a member that is banned. Deal with it and move on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Strych9,


<< The purpose of this thread was to get additional input regarding this deal and to also warn others to be careful who they buy from regardless of reputation. >>

Uh Huh being careful who they buy from falls under Caveat Emptor. Buyer Beware. That's something that anybody who's bought or traded in the For Sale Forums should be fully aware of and I doubt you need remind anybody of that.



<< There are obviously people here trying to defend a friend and that's fine. But so far many of the comments/arguments have been w/o support and somewhat childish. >>

So what's the purpose of arguing with them? You already said that you have your mind made up. Do what you feel is right. Publicizing it won't help you in court.

 

[8602081]

I'm glad that someone posted this topic, I'm interested to see how this ends up.
He's got a valid problem and I think people who trade with other people on this forum would be very interested.

On his website, does he say 1 year warranty from the distributor? if not, then seller is responsible for the warranty.

It doesn't matter if the Video card is outdated. Even if he had a Diamond S3 virge, if it's under warranty, then it should be replaced with the same card or discount on a new card.

 

[Red Dawn]

I must admit, if he follows through it would be interesting.

 

[Phuz]

This is who I baught my GF2 32MB card from.. as I mentioned.
I was quiet happy, its got infineon chips on it, HSF, and has always worked dandy.

If anyone else remembers the boards at the time he was selling these 32mb/64mb cards like hot cakes, you'd also remember that they were GROUP BUYS.
Some people did it and started threads until they got X number of people, and then 10/20 cards were baught.

I can't imagine what the insurance a Distro could offer on such a large quantity of white-slip GF2's.

He was great/freindly and helpful, and shipped me my product only on half payment - when he was in business.

Sorry, get over it..



<< On his website, does he say 1 year warranty from the distributor? if not, then seller is responsible for the warranty >>



I beleive "Dreamland Online" or whatever, has been OFFLINE for a while.

 

[Daniel]

I'd have to agree with the idea that if he said it was covered for a year he should give him a replacement one, he was acting as a dealer and promising a warrenty then he should at least honor it. It's just seems like a trader's ethics issue if not a legal issue, he said it would be covered.. it doesn't work, why is there so many people that don't think it is as simple as that?

 

[Strych9]

<< why is there so many people that don't think it is as simple as that? >>

Double standard around here apparently...let the thread die.