Looking for new car

[deejayshakur]

poll request.

accord coupe ex, 6MT

 

[holden j caufield]

been shopping for a an ex-L no navi 4cyl and let me tell you many places will sell you this for under invoice which is 21,900. Some have got it for under 21k, TTL will vary from state to state.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

There is nothing wrong with used. Nothing.

Haha, right... I treat my cars well, yet i feel bad for the person the dealer unloads the car onto, there was a REASON i got rid of it in the first place, and now that next person is stuck with that reason

Sh!t, I treat my car like crap, and it still doesn't have any problems. Cars don't fall apart that easily...
And when you're buying a late model car with warranty still intact, like I suggested, what do you have to worry about?

Ya have to wonder though, what would someone hate/dislike so much about a car to trade it in after only 10, 12, 15k miles?

Maybe they got a raise, wanted something more expensive? Or got fired, need something cheaper?

I knew one lady that got a new car every year, even if she only put 10k on it - for no other reason than that she wanted to have a new car every year.

True, those very well could be the reasons, but the thing is, you NEVER know.. It's not like the car comes with a "reasons for return" sticker... Thats my main point, the last thing you want to do is buy someone elses problem. IMO the added savings is not worth it.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

There is nothing wrong with used. Nothing.

Haha, right... I treat my cars well, yet i feel bad for the person the dealer unloads the car onto, there was a REASON i got rid of it in the first place, and now that next person is stuck with that reason

Sh!t, I treat my car like crap, and it still doesn't have any problems. Cars don't fall apart that easily...
And when you're buying a late model car with warranty still intact, like I suggested, what do you have to worry about?

Ya have to wonder though, what would someone hate/dislike so much about a car to trade it in after only 10, 12, 15k miles?

Maybe they got a raise, wanted something more expensive? Or got fired, need something cheaper?

I knew one lady that got a new car every year, even if she only put 10k on it - for no other reason than that she wanted to have a new car every year.

True, those very well could be the reasons, but the thing is, you NEVER know.. It's not like the car comes with a "reasons for return" sticker... Thats my main point, the last thing you want to do is buy someone elses problem. IMO the added savings is not worth it.

Nobody can thrash a car under 15k miles unless they were using it for track racing for every mile of its life. If you test drive a car, have a mechanic check it out, and it's under full factory warranty for another 45k miles you have nothing to worry about. There is almost never any financially sound reason to buy a new car, period! Cars are not like women: they aren't nice at the beginning and then, once you get used to it, start going crappy. If there is anything massively wrong with a car a decent tech can find that out instantly. Either the engine runs smoothly or it doesn't. Either the transmission works or it doesn't, etc.

The guys and I at work basically laugh at people who buy these new cars and then trade them up after a couple of years. For us it's great: We get a car that's lost only a small fraction of its life and paid 1/2 for it. I'm not saying I'd never buy new, but I'd only do it if it was a new model that I "had to have", like the new avalon (sweet!) or a pontiac solstice (except it's a pontiac!).

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Seriously, why do people buy BRAND NEW cars? Makes no sense at all

stop thread crapping... no one cares if you are "special" and only buy used cars.

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: dc

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Seriously, why do people buy BRAND NEW cars? Makes no sense at all

buying a slighly used accord or camry is a much better idea.:roll:

hondas and accords don't drop in value like GM's

you are better off buying new for a little more than what the used prices are and having the longer warranty

 

[James3shin]

Im gonnna have to agree with most of the people with the Mazda 6, or the Honda Accord. Both are fine cars.

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

There is nothing wrong with used. Nothing.

Haha, right... I treat my cars well, yet i feel bad for the person the dealer unloads the car onto, there was a REASON i got rid of it in the first place, and now that next person is stuck with that reason

Sh!t, I treat my car like crap, and it still doesn't have any problems. Cars don't fall apart that easily...
And when you're buying a late model car with warranty still intact, like I suggested, what do you have to worry about?

Ya have to wonder though, what would someone hate/dislike so much about a car to trade it in after only 10, 12, 15k miles?

are you married? my wife started thinking about something better before we signed for our 2005 toyota last year which we traded a 2003 civic for

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Seriously, why do people buy BRAND NEW cars? Makes no sense at all

Shhhh.

Somebody's got to buy 'em new and trade 'em after two years, or we wouldn't have all those great used cars out there.

 

[Nimloth]

2002 audi a6

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Nimloth
2002 audi a6

reliability, safety, gas mileage and then maybe looksThat grossly fails two of the criteria.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Nobody can thrash a car under 15k miles unless they were using it for track racing for every mile of its life. If you test drive a car, have a mechanic check it out, and it's under full factory warranty for another 45k miles you have nothing to worry about. There is almost never any financially sound reason to buy a new car, period! Cars are not like women: they aren't nice at the beginning and then, once you get used to it, start going crappy. If there is anything massively wrong with a car a decent tech can find that out instantly. Either the engine runs smoothly or it doesn't. Either the transmission works or it doesn't, etc.

The guys and I at work basically laugh at people who buy these new cars and then trade them up after a couple of years. For us it's great: We get a car that's lost only a small fraction of its life and paid 1/2 for it. I'm not saying I'd never buy new, but I'd only do it if it was a new model that I "had to have", like the new avalon (sweet!) or a pontiac solstice (except it's a pontiac!).

The car could have been in a serious accident, moved between states, and had the title washed. Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner.

Sorry, but for 1-2 year old hondas and toyotas, this still doesn't make sense, considering you usually don't even save 10%. Maybe if you're a nissan fan with their atrocious resale values.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Nobody can thrash a car under 15k miles unless they were using it for track racing for every mile of its life. If you test drive a car, have a mechanic check it out, and it's under full factory warranty for another 45k miles you have nothing to worry about. There is almost never any financially sound reason to buy a new car, period! Cars are not like women: they aren't nice at the beginning and then, once you get used to it, start going crappy. If there is anything massively wrong with a car a decent tech can find that out instantly. Either the engine runs smoothly or it doesn't. Either the transmission works or it doesn't, etc.

The guys and I at work basically laugh at people who buy these new cars and then trade them up after a couple of years. For us it's great: We get a car that's lost only a small fraction of its life and paid 1/2 for it. I'm not saying I'd never buy new, but I'd only do it if it was a new model that I "had to have", like the new avalon (sweet!) or a pontiac solstice (except it's a pontiac!).

The car could have been in a serious accident, moved between states, and had the title washed. Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner.

Sorry, but for 1-2 year old hondas and toyotas, this still doesn't make sense, considering you usually don't even save 10%. Maybe if you're a nissan fan with their atrocious resale values.

And I could wake up tomorrow morning with three nipples, but if you run a simple title check you're protected from the majority of possible problems.

I agree about resale on hondas/toyotas, which is why they are normally a stupid car to buy unless they have a lot of miles on them. Their resale is stupidly high.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Seriously, why do people buy BRAND NEW cars? Makes no sense at all

You really take the idiocy level of this forum to new levels.

People like to be the first, and only owner of their car. So they know how the car acts inside and out. People like to have warranties. People like to have brand new, untouched product when they spend their hard earned money.

There are also many situations where buying a new car is a good idea. My situation is one of them.

What exactly about your situation makes it a "good idea"? I guess I can understand buying a new car under a few condition's. If you plan on driving the car into the ground, litterally driving it until the day the wheels fly off. Or if you just have the money like someone else said, and you don't care how much your losing on it.

I just get bored too easily, I plan on buying a new (new to me) car every 2-3 years for the rest of my life. I just love them too much to be stuck with the same one for so long.

I think its laziness, if you look hard enough, you can find true gems of used cars that are like brand new any way. Even if its just a year old, 10k miles on it, your saving thousands. And I know enough about cars that I can tell from a visual inspection what kind of problems it might have had. So "inheriting" someone elses headache isn't really an issue for me. Just my opinion.

i agree with you about used cars, especially ones that are certified used and such, many are demo cars and show cars, and are in perfect shape, 10-15k miles is nothing, compaired to the 5000$+ you can save

i however plan on buying a car and driving it untill it will no longer drive, which IMO will be at least 10 years, my current car is 13 years old and still fine, it coudl prob use a paint job, but other then that it still gets me from here to there just fine, ill replace it when it starts costing more to keep it working then the car is worth

 

[aphex]

they aren't nice at the beginning and then, once you get used to it, start going crappy

Tell that to my 2001 VW Jetta.... It would go from perfectly fine to 3 problems at once a month after having something else fixed....

 

[BMdoobieW]

For your parents' needs, either one is fine, IMO.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: aphex

There is nothing wrong with used. Nothing.

Haha, right... I treat my cars well, yet i feel bad for the person the dealer unloads the car onto, there was a REASON i got rid of it in the first place, and now that next person is stuck with that reason

Sh!t, I treat my car like crap, and it still doesn't have any problems. Cars don't fall apart that easily...
And when you're buying a late model car with warranty still intact, like I suggested, what do you have to worry about?

Ya have to wonder though, what would someone hate/dislike so much about a car to trade it in after only 10, 12, 15k miles?

there are many reasons, my college buddy purchased a new 05 WRX waggon in the fall, put mabye 10K miles on it and deceided he would rather have a pickup, so he sold it to some dude and purchased a toyota pickup of some sort

he actually made a FS/FT thread about it

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: OS
The car could have been in a serious accident, moved between states, and had the title washed. Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner.

Sorry, but for 1-2 year old hondas and toyotas, this still doesn't make sense, considering you usually don't even save 10%. Maybe if you're a nissan fan with their atrocious resale values.

And I could wake up tomorrow morning with three nipples, but if you run a simple title check you're protected from the majority of possible problems.

I agree about resale on hondas/toyotas, which is why they are normally a stupid car to buy unless they have a lot of miles on them. Their resale is stupidly high.

apparently you didn't read what I just posted;

"Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner."

I took my car to the body shop last week, out front I saw an 03+ accord where the front end was smashed in. Axles/suspension were bent, wheels broken, it was just sitting on it's cracked wheels in front of the shop.

I have no doubt they will be able to fix it, and no one will be able to tell. But seriously, that car may end up on the used car market. And if insurance doesn't scrap the car, how will you ever know what the car has been through?

 

[Legend]

Both the Accord and the Camry are among the most reliable (long term, not this initial reliability nonsense) sedans in the world.

So it comes down the price, fuel efficiency and power. I think the Accord is faster.

Personally, I'd get a Honda Civic, possibly a few years used. I drive a 92 Accord tho, and I have no problems with it and only 125k on it. Civics now are about the same as Accords back then. I have no need for more power.

Take that extra money and invest it.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Nobody can thrash a car under 15k miles unless they were using it for track racing for every mile of its life. If you test drive a car, have a mechanic check it out, and it's under full factory warranty for another 45k miles you have nothing to worry about. There is almost never any financially sound reason to buy a new car, period! Cars are not like women: they aren't nice at the beginning and then, once you get used to it, start going crappy. If there is anything massively wrong with a car a decent tech can find that out instantly. Either the engine runs smoothly or it doesn't. Either the transmission works or it doesn't, etc.

The guys and I at work basically laugh at people who buy these new cars and then trade them up after a couple of years. For us it's great: We get a car that's lost only a small fraction of its life and paid 1/2 for it. I'm not saying I'd never buy new, but I'd only do it if it was a new model that I "had to have", like the new avalon (sweet!) or a pontiac solstice (except it's a pontiac!).

The car could have been in a serious accident, moved between states, and had the title washed. Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner.

Sorry, but for 1-2 year old hondas and toyotas, this still doesn't make sense, considering you usually don't even save 10%. Maybe if you're a nissan fan with their atrocious resale values.

And I could wake up tomorrow morning with three nipples, but if you run a simple title check you're protected from the majority of possible problems.

I agree about resale on hondas/toyotas, which is why they are normally a stupid car to buy unless they have a lot of miles on them. Their resale is stupidly high.

No way. Me and Skoorb agree on something.

Its like I said, a thorough visual inspection on a lift is a lot of times enough for me. I only pull a carfax if something looks questionable.

Also, regarding the accident argument. To the trained eye, you can usually tell if the car was in an accident, and unless the body man who fixed it did everthing perfectly, there will be tail-tail signs. I'm not too good at doing this, but I have a few body-man friends who can see things. And if it was a really bad accident that would effect the car in a serious way, there will most definetely be signs to the right eyes.

And its not like everyone can't do this, just find a body-man that you trust. Fortunetely I guess for me, I know a few of them. I always take any car I buy to his shop and throw it on the lift. Have to get under it to recognize a lot of things.

I also try to find the right people, I like to shop private sellers. My Honda I have now, had one previous owner and she was 56 yo. I don't even know why she bought the Si, probably the last one on the lot and she wanted it or something. It may take a little time sometimes, took me more then a month to find the Civic I wanted, but its worth the time to look around. I'm going to have to do the same for the next car I want, because its pretty rare to find, especially in the condition I want it to be in.

 

[labgeek]

We're looking at picking up a Jetta TDI. Not bad little cars. Basic sedan not too fancy. But the mileage is amazing... If you want new and sedan (GLS only, as GL is only the wagon for 2005) then you're probably needing the manual tranny to fit you budget. MSRP of 21355, invoice 19974. Kbb shows a blue book of 20973.

It's deisel but 38mpg city, 46 hwy. And they're assembled in Germany not Mexico like the Beetle. I'd just feel better with them the Germans putting them together. Sorry, that's just me. I've had German cars before, and have always been impressed with the craftsmanship.

 

[Mr N8]

Originally posted by: CRXican
Subaru Legacy

Winnar!

 

[HamSupLo]

Altima V6. I got mine for 23k.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: OS
The car could have been in a serious accident, moved between states, and had the title washed. Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner.

Sorry, but for 1-2 year old hondas and toyotas, this still doesn't make sense, considering you usually don't even save 10%. Maybe if you're a nissan fan with their atrocious resale values.

And I could wake up tomorrow morning with three nipples, but if you run a simple title check you're protected from the majority of possible problems.

I agree about resale on hondas/toyotas, which is why they are normally a stupid car to buy unless they have a lot of miles on them. Their resale is stupidly high.

apparently you didn't read what I just posted;

"Hell, most accidents don't even get reported to the vehicle's title, salvage title only happens when the accident is so bad, the insurance company buys it back fom the owner."

I took my car to the body shop last week, out front I saw an 03+ accord where the front end was smashed in. Axles/suspension were bent, wheels broken, it was just sitting on it's cracked wheels in front of the shop.

I have no doubt they will be able to fix it, and no one will be able to tell. But seriously, that car may end up on the used car market. And if insurance doesn't scrap the car, how will you ever know what the car has been through?

That's why I said you'll be protected from the majority of problems. My 00 maxima when I bought it had an accident reported on the title. I brought it to a nissan tech and he couldn't for the life of him find any evidence of it ANYWHERE. Chances are that if an accident is not reported on the title then it was small enough that it will never make any influence at all on longevity or safety. In regards to that 03 Accord it will almost certainly have this accident attached to its title, available for anybody with a carfax account to see. People need to drop their fear about accidents. Most accidents are of the nature that they can be repaired and not affect the integrity of the vehicle.

I also try to find the right people, I like to shop private sellers.

Yeah you can make killer deals if you find the right private buyer. Used car lots are not bad (although dealer used car lots have crap prices), but the right private seller, motivated to sell, can give a very sweet deal.

I always see a lot of rationalizing for purchasing new cars over old--unseen problems, other people's headaches, etc. but those of us who buy used know that we're getting far more bang for our buck. It comes down to, for me, would I rather spend $15k on a crappy econobox with no soul, or spend $15k on something a few years old that's more the car than that econobox could ever hope to be, and if you buy one 2-3 years old you can have factory warranty left. Let the car-phobic people take that hit on value, and I reap the rewards of their phear!

 

[Nimloth]

Originally posted by: Mr N8

Originally posted by: CRXican
Subaru Legacy

Winnar!

subarus are like cardboard boxes on wheels