PlanetJosh
Golden Member
This is for when I'm in a civil intelligent conversation with a conservative Trump supporter like possibly in this thread. I want to have the facts so I can support my arguments. If conservatives can help with this. And it's not meant in a sarcastic or demeaning way to conservatives here. Maybe some conservatives will agree one or more of these are outright big lies. Sorry for another lie thread but just looking the facts.
So I've come up with a few possibilities.
1. Trump saying Americans are not paying for the tariffs on China. That could be an outright big lie but I'm not sure yet. In the short run it seems to be a lie because the initial buyer of Chinese imports are not Chinese, they seem to be American. But what if the initial buyers (or middlemen if you will) are sort of an international group?
2. Trump denying the travel ban is a Muslim ban. To me this is an obvious big lie with no way deny it's a lie. He said before in public it's a Muslim ban but he had the wording for the papers submitted to the Supreme Court to have it be a ban related to security and not just Muslims. I know I risk being called a Muslim sympathizer for that but then you could label the four dissenting Justices as Muslim sympathizers.
3. He said in public he has nothing to do with Russia but we have a signed letter of intent to plan the hotel in Russia. Not sure yet if this is a outright big lie because both sides can wiggle on this one. But why didn't he mention that business letter of intent when he said that? But he can try to say he meant nothing to do with any illegal activity with Russia or something like that which could excuse what he said.
4. And his statement 3 years ago that Mexico is sending up their worst people to cross north across our border. Since he may claim he meant their government was doing that it provides an explanation so it could be opinion and not a lie. But if he meant ordinary Mexican families are sending their worst then that would appear to be an outright big lie imo.
So I want another outright big lie beside the denial of a Muslim travel ban. So if any of the other 3 possible obvious big lies can be proven with internet searches then please assist. Or a big lie I may have missed.
And for the record I know Clinton is a liar with his I did not have sex with that woman statement. And Obama is a liar with his you can keep your health insurance period statement. Those are proven outright big lies verified by simple net searches.
So I have an obvious big lie from Trump when he denied the travel ban was a Muslim ban. But I want another one that will put a conservative on the defensive, because denying it's a Muslim travel ban isn't much of an embarrassment to a conservative.
So I've come up with a few possibilities.
1. Trump saying Americans are not paying for the tariffs on China. That could be an outright big lie but I'm not sure yet. In the short run it seems to be a lie because the initial buyer of Chinese imports are not Chinese, they seem to be American. But what if the initial buyers (or middlemen if you will) are sort of an international group?
2. Trump denying the travel ban is a Muslim ban. To me this is an obvious big lie with no way deny it's a lie. He said before in public it's a Muslim ban but he had the wording for the papers submitted to the Supreme Court to have it be a ban related to security and not just Muslims. I know I risk being called a Muslim sympathizer for that but then you could label the four dissenting Justices as Muslim sympathizers.
3. He said in public he has nothing to do with Russia but we have a signed letter of intent to plan the hotel in Russia. Not sure yet if this is a outright big lie because both sides can wiggle on this one. But why didn't he mention that business letter of intent when he said that? But he can try to say he meant nothing to do with any illegal activity with Russia or something like that which could excuse what he said.
4. And his statement 3 years ago that Mexico is sending up their worst people to cross north across our border. Since he may claim he meant their government was doing that it provides an explanation so it could be opinion and not a lie. But if he meant ordinary Mexican families are sending their worst then that would appear to be an outright big lie imo.
So I want another outright big lie beside the denial of a Muslim travel ban. So if any of the other 3 possible obvious big lies can be proven with internet searches then please assist. Or a big lie I may have missed.
And for the record I know Clinton is a liar with his I did not have sex with that woman statement. And Obama is a liar with his you can keep your health insurance period statement. Those are proven outright big lies verified by simple net searches.
So I have an obvious big lie from Trump when he denied the travel ban was a Muslim ban. But I want another one that will put a conservative on the defensive, because denying it's a Muslim travel ban isn't much of an embarrassment to a conservative.
