Phoenix86
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Originally posted by: eits
yeah, i know.. i posted in haste and didn't read the entire thing... i went back and edited my post right after i realized that it was someone else's flag.
my apologies
Yeah, your edit sucks too. Way to act like nothing happened and justify attempted arson and destruction of property. But sure, there's "no point of the thread".
It's equally disturbing that non-citizens, people who can't vote, are demonstrating against the government. They don't get a say in our government for a reason.
eits
Lifer
yeah, i guess... which doesn't make much sense...
it'd be different if they were terrorist sympathizers or outright anti-american... but just because you burn a flag doesn't mean you're either.
this is just a slanted story to try and drum up anti-middle eastern sentiments. they're trying to make the story about how these non-white american students burned an american flag when the story SHOULD be the fact that they burned something that belonged to someone else, which is absolutely disrespectful and worthy of legal action.
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: eits
yeah, i know.. i posted in haste and didn't read the entire thing... i went back and edited my post right after i realized that it was someone else's flag.
my apologies
Yeah, your edit sucks too. Way to act like nothing happened and justify attempted arson and destruction of property. But sure, there's "no point of the thread".
It's equally disturbing that non-citizens, people who can't vote, are demonstrating against the government. They don't get a say in our government for a reason.
??? one of them was a u.s. citizen... the other two are at yale on student visas.
eits
Lifer
i just added something to the bottom of that post.
no, their names shouldn't be kept secret, but it's retarded to be like, "omg look at this! the brown people are at it again! ugh... stupid brown people disrespecting our flag! they should be shot or sent back to where they came from!"... it's retarded. they're students...
i'm not saying what they did was ok or shouldn't be punishable... i'm just saying that the angle of the article is a bit obvious. i'm sure that if i go back to page 1 of this thread and check the source of the article, it'll probably say fox news....
edit: yup. it's a fox news article.
There are things that are more blatantly anti-American than burning the flag, but not that many. I was under the impression that any non-citizen that committed a crime on US soil would be automatically deported.
As for the American citizen, he burned private property, so he should be charged.
As for the American citizen, he burned private property, so he should be charged.
moshquerade
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nope, it's not just a Fox News story. I actually google searched it to read more about it and it seems there were 171 links to the story from many and various news agencies.
what i found is one of the men involved in this, Hyder Akbar, actually wrote a book, a memoir, in attempts to educate Americans about what it really is like in his homeland:
http://afghanconnections.blogspot.com/
You would think he, of all people, trying to clear up what he saw as the media overlooking his perspective of Afghanistan by writing a book wouldn't be involved in something such as burning an American flag.
eits
Lifer
maybe it's his way of being provocative in the sense that it's his poetic expression of how he feels about our current government. either way, it's retarded the fact that he helped burn a flag that belonged on someone else's property. that's just dumb.
moshquerade
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yeh, being someone else's flag and on someone else's property (which could've caused tenant's death/injury if the fire had spread) just makes him look like the stereotype he was trying to clear up.
sorry. that's how i see it.
eits
Lifer
yeah, i agree with you on that. it's surprising that a yale student could do something so stu-... oh, wait... didn't bush go to yale?
hehe
Jeff7
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Stupid people. If you want to burn a flag, buy it yourself and do it on your own property. However, the fact that it was a flag burned shouldn't affect their sentence or charges against them. They should simply be charged with arson.
"When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should."
When your right to that form of expression is taken away, that is in direct opposition of one of our most basic rights. When that happens, there is definite cause to protest.
Just don't burn someone else's flag.
I do not expect to ever see you complain about anything in this country, unless you are doing it from beyond our borders. Advice like yours goes two ways.
In a sense, it is also very American. We enjoy having many personal freedoms, and one of them is the right to express extreme discontent for the direction the country may be going. If that expression consists of burning a flag to make this point, so be it. The one quote I like concerning this is one I saw in someone's sig on this forum:
"When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should."
When your right to that form of expression is taken away, that is in direct opposition of one of our most basic rights. When that happens, there is definite cause to protest.
Just don't burn someone else's flag.
eits
Lifer
Phoenix86
Lifer
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: eits
yeah, i know.. i posted in haste and didn't read the entire thing... i went back and edited my post right after i realized that it was someone else's flag.
my apologies
Yeah, your edit sucks too. Way to act like nothing happened and justify attempted arson and destruction of property. But sure, there's "no point of the thread".
It's equally disturbing that non-citizens, people who can't vote, are demonstrating against the government. They don't get a say in our government for a reason.
??? one of them was a u.s. citizen... the other two are at yale on student visas.
One of them was, the other two weren't, so those are who I'm referring to. I didn't say they were here illegally. Visa != voting rights.
You are still trying to justify an illegal action, and failing miserably.
Aren't you of middle eastern descent? Think that's clouding your judgement here...?
Do you think you have the right to protest other governments in their country? Good luck with that. Think about it... They aren't trying to convince people to vote for change, as they themselves can't vote. There's a good reason non-citizens can't vote. They have no "voice" in our government.
Hey, they were just expressing their hatred for Bush and this is good. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
No, I haven't turned into jpeyton.. that was sarcasm in case there is any doubt.
No, I haven't turned into jpeyton.. that was sarcasm in case there is any doubt.
eits
Lifer
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: eits
yeah, i know.. i posted in haste and didn't read the entire thing... i went back and edited my post right after i realized that it was someone else's flag.
my apologies
Yeah, your edit sucks too. Way to act like nothing happened and justify attempted arson and destruction of property. But sure, there's "no point of the thread".
It's equally disturbing that non-citizens, people who can't vote, are demonstrating against the government. They don't get a say in our government for a reason.
??? one of them was a u.s. citizen... the other two are at yale on student visas.
One of them was, the other two weren't, so those are who I'm referring to. I didn't say they were here illegally. Visa != voting rights.
You are still trying to justify an illegal action, and failing miserably.
Aren't you of middle eastern descent? Think that's clouding your judgement here...?
Do you think you have the right to protest other governments in their country? Good luck with that. Think about it... They aren't trying to convince people to vote for change, as they themselves can't vote. There's a good reason non-citizens can't vote. They have no "voice" in our government.
uh, no? my judgment isn't being clouded whatsoever. if common sense and open-mindedness is considered having clouded judgment, then i'd gladly let my mind storm.
yes, i'm half persian... the other half is white. i was born in michigan and raised in the united states my entire life. i've visited iran once when i was a kid.
where was i trying to justify anything? i was criticizing the article. that doesn't mean i was at all trying to justify these peoples' actions. in fact, i even said it was stupid as hell for them to burn someone else's flag... so, saying that i'm failing miserably at trying to justify their actions is pretty motherfvcking astute of you.
your insinuation is offensive to me. i don't make insinuations that you're some backwoods redneck just because you're from texas.
The US Citizen involved should be prosecuted for arson and destruction of private property, the other two should be deported back to their countries of origin since they are guests of the US and obviously don't appreciate the opportunity they have been given.
It's interesting that people condone the burning of the US flag as freedom of speech, yet if a flag of Israel or Saudi Arabia were burned on the same flag pole we'd have a hate-crime with Al Sharpton parked on the front lawn giving a press conference. The same people who like to scream "freedom of speech" and support burning of the flag in one breath are the same ones who have shoved political correctness and anti hate-speech legislation down our throats. Ooh the hypocrisy of the left...
It's interesting that people condone the burning of the US flag as freedom of speech, yet if a flag of Israel or Saudi Arabia were burned on the same flag pole we'd have a hate-crime with Al Sharpton parked on the front lawn giving a press conference. The same people who like to scream "freedom of speech" and support burning of the flag in one breath are the same ones who have shoved political correctness and anti hate-speech legislation down our throats. Ooh the hypocrisy of the left...
zinfamous
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indeed. not that I endorse what they did, particularly in their situation (being priveledged enough to attend one of our elite Universities, it would seem to me that they have a debt to pay to the country that allowed them this opportunity), but ignorant comments/beliefs like this are why these type of individuals choose to make such statements.
eits
Lifer
I would like to know more details before making a judgment. The article didn't really make sense to me. I need to know why they decided to burn it and whose house it was. They might have been drunk and did it to a friend's house.
People are getting way too ramped up over this just because the people had foreign names. Grow up. There are lots of foreigners here -- including Arabs or Muslims -- and you can't deport anyone on that basis -- nor should you.
Let's wait until we see their motive and what happened to the property before going nuts.
People are getting way too ramped up over this just because the people had foreign names. Grow up. There are lots of foreigners here -- including Arabs or Muslims -- and you can't deport anyone on that basis -- nor should you.
Let's wait until we see their motive and what happened to the property before going nuts.
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