LOOK----448core gtx560 ti review

[happy medium]

LOL You have proven nothing. You have been trying to engage people in a debate applying your position to a very limited situation. No one took the bait though.

until I get 1 game at least, my point has already been proven, I dont need your approval.

AGAIN.....

Can you name 1 game that a 6950 can play at a miminum 40fps while utilizing more than 1.25gb of memory.

No mods or aftermarket texture packs allowed.

I cant wait for your answer.

The answer I came up with is none. You need 2 6950's utilize more than 1.25gb of memory.

How about a game with a 6950 utilizing more than 1gb of memory with a minimum of 40 fps.?

Can you do it?
In general .............
A 5870, 6870, 6950, gtx560ti's are all too weak to utilize more than 1gb of memory while gaming at a minimum of 40 fps.

A gtx570 might use 1.25gb before it runs out of fps in game.
A single 6970 2gb will never use more than 1.5gb of memory unless its crossfired before it runs out of fps in game.

6950 2gb and 6970 2gb cards were made to crossfire.
If you dont crossfire them chances are you never used more than 1gb of its memory before the cards run out of gas.


I read this comment, I thought "people actually believe this sh!t"?

"My 6950 regularly sees about 1.5GB of usage across all multiplayer maps, and occasionally goes up to around 1.8GB.

This is based on what Afterburner graphs tell me. "


Ok I wanna know what settings his 6950 was running to use 1.8gb of memory and play at over 40fps minimum. Complete BS.

 

[ocre]

Back on topic!

https://www.google.com/search?q=gtx...ZENOEtgextbC5Ag&ved=0CGoQrQQ&biw=1600&bih=775

Check em out, them prices are.................................................

not sooo sweet!!!!

Hope the bigger Etailers have better deals cause these......................

 

[happy medium]

SInce the point was proven that a 6950 2gb card is worthless with 2gb of memory (vs 1gb) unless its crossfired, I rest my case.

SO please to all you members/readers, remember, a card weaker performance than a gtx580/overclocked 6970 has no use for more than 1.25gb of memory unless crossfired.

Mark this thread in saves.

We are not talking about marketing , ect ect ect ect. why , who ...

I want the proof and the benchmarks from a good review site

 

[Subyman]

No mods or aftermarket texture packs allowed.

Why the limitation? The test you are imposing isn't related to the real world anymore. I know I, for one, use high resolution texture packs all the time so that would render your arbitrary rules inapplicable to me. If you are going to argue something, argue it generally otherwise it is only academic.

 

[happy medium]

ok , back to the gtx560ti with 1.25gb's of USABLE memory.

 

[happy medium]

The test you are imposing isn't related to the real world anymore.

If the game company released it, its ok, but not some old game from 2 years ago.

 

[ocre]

Also found a guy who has one from fry's. He bought it for his daughter but once set it up he decided to take the 560 and give his daughter his "old" 2gb 6950. Its supposedily unlocked but i think its not clocked as high.

he had it for a few days now and here is some of his thoughts:

"Compared to the 6950 the 560ti 448 is better as well. At least in the games I play. "
"I would say the difference between the 570 and the 560ti 448 is almost indiscernible....."
"But between the 6950 and the 560ti in BF3 the difference for me was pretty dramatic....."
"Although Rage is not a very popular game the difference between the 2 cards is quite incredible."
"So far so good, After 2 1/2 hours of BF3, temps maxed out around 65c with the fan never hitting more then 50% speed."
"able to run BF3 @ 1920*1080 Ultra Setting with 2xmsaa and HBOA Avg 60 to 70 fps. "

3dmarks and overclocks decently:

"here are a couple 3dMark 11 runs

Stock 797/1594/1950
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2257244

Oc'd 868/1736/2200
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2257278

Seriously nice little card. "

 

[slightlyhuman]

wonder where the first place will be for me to snag one?!

 

[zebrax2]

I say 2gb on a 6950 is worthless without crossfire.
You say..........?

2gb is a marketing tool that makes people think a 6950 2gb card is just as fast as a gx560ti 448 core and actually never uses more than 1gb of memory before running out of fps unless its run in crossfire.?

Hows that?

I would say the 2gb would be an extra feature (much like how physx is to nvidia) that would give you the flexibility to add texture mods to your game without tanking the performance.

 

[3DVagabond]

I would say the 2gb would be an extra feature (much like how physx is to nvidia) that would give you the flexibility to add texture mods to your game without tanking the performance.

You are right, but that's not within happy medium's narrowly defined parameters.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Not to mention most reviewers don't even make use of transparancy AA. 1GB will become a huge problem for any SLI/XFIRE rig who loves to force AA/AF/TRAA. For single cards it is probably fine... However, the difference between 1GB and 1.25GB is pretty small... If we are seeing over 1GB now, I certainly wouldn't invest in a SLI rig based on the 560 448 or 570.

And who picked the arbitrary 40 fps minimum? LOL, that made me laugh. Hilarious.

 

[Silverforce11]

So tell me again how this is a better buy than a gtx560 ti OC factory models? Something like a Gainward Golden Sample that already runs at 900 core and can be OC to 950+. Running at those speed, its already ~= gtx570.

It's dirt cheap in comparison and uses less power.

 

[Throckmorton]

Thank you,

I never understood why people always said dont buy a 5870 2gb card but always recommended a 6950 2gb card.

I think you dont need more than 1gb of memory till you reach a 6970/gtx570 level of performance. Thats why Nvidia uses 1.25gb on the gtx570,
ANy more would be a waste

The amount of memory needed is independent from the processing poewr of the card. If memory is a bottleneck, it's a bottleneck.

 

[ocre]

here is a great review from a great site.

its on the. MSI N560GTX-448 Twin Frozr III.

Basically this MSI card is a 570 but cheaper. Its interesting to see the overclocked results, most of the time the 448 core 560 best the 570 when they are both overclocked stable.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_n560gtx448_pe/

 

[lehtv]

@happy medium

RAGE with 8K textures will use a lot of VRAM with constant 60 fps.

Be aware, however, that you will almost certainly require a video card with 1.5GB of Video RAM to enable 8K textures, other graphical niceties and GPU Transcoding, though it may also work on systems with just 1GB of VRAM if said options are toned down.

http://www.geforce.com/News/article...-resolution-textures-with-a-few-simple-tweaks

In addition, you can enable even sharper 16K textures, which is certain to benefit from a 2GB card over a 1.25GB card.

From my personal experience, Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 max out VRAM with 40fps minimums. I have also read that GTA IV will use over 1GB VRAM while maintaining playable settings.

Also, your limitation of 40fps minimum is arbitrary. Not all gamers share the same requirements, and it is also game specific. Some games are fine with 30fps minimum for people who normally prefer 40 or more. Take me, for example - 30fps is fine in Shogun or CIV 5 is fine for me, and both games max out the VRAM of my 560 Ti.

If the game company released it, its ok, but not some old game from 2 years ago.

Another artificial limitation. People play older games too, you know. 2 years is still pretty recent. There are people who play the 7-year old Oblivion, and a 2GB card will allow them to use custom high resolution textures. But you don't need to look that far: Skyrim. Custom 2048x2048 landscape and building textures are almost certain to require more than 1.25GB with playable FPS on high/ultra.

 

[Silverforce11]

here is a great review from a great site.

its on the. MSI N560GTX-448 Twin Frozr III.

Basically this MSI card is a 570 but cheaper. Its interesting to see the overclocked results, most of the time the 448 core 560 best the 570 when they are both overclocked stable.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_n560gtx448_pe/

It uses more power than a gtx570.. and good 40 more than a gtx560ti.

Its near a gtx570 at stock and beats it by a tiny margin once OC.

Again, whats the point when regular gtx560 ti can be OC to 950mhz core and had for much cheaper?

 

[lehtv]

A 560 Ti 448 Power Edition can be OC'd near GTX580, and had for much cheaper. Compare stock vs stock and OC vs OC. Stock vs OC is not fair comparison.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Ready to buy this card. Where is it?!?!

 

[ArchAngel777]

Anyone get a kick out of the 'It is not a new product, but a limited edition'? As if it were something special. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. Better get one before they are all gone!

 

[apoppin]

Anyone get a kick out of the 'It is not a new product, but a limited edition'? As if it were something special. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. Better get one before they are all gone!

It's true. Brilliant marketing of a very decent product.

:whiste:

Its near a gtx570 at stock and beats it by a tiny margin once OC.

It is dying to be overclocked further:

 

[Mem]

Ready to buy this card. Where is it?!?!

No thanks!!!.....happy with my MSI 560Ti 2GB OC card...I agree they should of named the 448 core version 565 or something.

 

[ArchAngel777]

It's true. Brilliant marketing of a very decent product.

:whiste:


It is dying to be overclocked further:

I typically don't overclock video cards anymore. The 460 GTX I have is an exception because it was 'under' clocked. A 22% overclock on stock voltage that pretty much every single 460 GTX ever made can do. The high end cards have enough troubles, and IIRC the 570's were burning out when overclocked because they were reportedly made with cheaper components than the 580.

Anyway, I am sure it is a decent card. But what is the point? I'd take a 560 TI 2GB over this if I was going to SLI. Not to mention that the price point is only $30 cheaper.

Brilliant Marketing? Yes, absolutely. Groundbreaking product? No.

 

[thilanliyan]

How about a game with a 6950 utilizing more than 1gb of memory with a minimum of 40 fps.?

GTA IV? Turn up the all the settings and you will use more than 1gb.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/gtx-460-showdown-evga-ftw-vs-galaxy-soc/10

 

[SirPauly]

Anyone get a kick out of the 'It is not a new product, but a limited edition'? As if it were something special. I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. Better get one before they are all gone!

I tend to look at this product sku as more competition for the HD-6950 -- as there was a hole between the vanilla GTX 560 TI and the GTX 570. This product fits nicely between them both, while offering competitive performance and features. It's also a way of selling some chips that didn't make the grade for GTX 570's and GTX 580's.

A solid value product for their higher end chip -- a bit more ram -- and the ability to go tri-sli. For me, just the 5XX series replacement of the GTX 470. Was always curious if nVidia was going to offer this sku.

 

[apoppin]

I typically don't overclock video cards anymore. The 460 GTX I have is an exception because it was 'under' clocked. A 22% overclock on stock voltage that pretty much every single 460 GTX ever made can do. The high end cards have enough troubles, and IIRC the 570's were burning out when overclocked because they were reportedly made with cheaper components than the 580.

Anyway, I am sure it is a decent card. But what is the point? I'd take a 560 TI 2GB over this if I was going to SLI. Not to mention that the price point is only $30 cheaper.

Brilliant Marketing? Yes, absolutely. Groundbreaking product? No.

We are agreed on the brilliant marketing. Nvidia took defective GF100 chips and made them into another GTX 560 Ti, made it faster and called it "limited edition" (which is true). The hold their line's price point and further challenge AMD's offerings.

It is actually beyond brilliant.
:whiste:

For $299 a highly overclocked EVGA Classified moves close to GTX 580 performance territory. That makes it a very good value in my book for overclockers. And the 448 core Ti will TriSLI for the enthusiasts.