"Lone Ranger" Filmmakers Blame Critics

[CPA]

Comparing it to WWZ is not accurate either. WWZ was getting bad press because they had to reshoot the ending and most movies that happens to are not good and do not sell tickets. But i hear WWZ is good and I will see it on video.

they also had to reshoot Titanic's ending. We all know how that turned out. Maybe sometimes it's good to listen to the critics/audience.

 

[JamesV]

I haven't liked Depp since the first Pirates movie.

Ever since, it seems every character he plays is Jack Sparrow in a different suit - eccentric, supposed-to-be-lovable, dimwitted rogue.

Haven't wanted to see any of his movies since that either; especially westerns which except for a few films are pretty much the same bad stories.

 

[PokerGuy]

Yeah, it's the critics.....

I saw the trailer and knew instantly that movie is probably not even worth downloading for free.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

If Johnny Depp doesn't like the critics he should leave the country and live somewhere like France.

yeah, because the french would never be critical of art!

 

[Printer Bandit]

i liked johnny depp in:

 

[dud]

Looks like an only slightly better version of John Carter ...

 

[nageov3t]

they also had to reshoot Titanic's ending. We all know how that turned out. Maybe sometimes it's good to listen to the critics/audience.

I remember everyone was saying Titanic was going to be a flop too (and lbr, it probably would have been if not for teenage girls lusting after Leonardo DiCaprio going to see it a dozen times in the theater)

stupid criticism from Depp, though... very few people really listen to critics, there are critically panned movies that rack in box-office gold all the time. no one needed to read a film review to see that this movie was going to be a Western version of Pirates of the Caribbean with racist casting.

 

[nageov3t]

If Johnny Depp doesn't like the critics he should leave the country and live somewhere like France.

er... I'm pretty sure he does live in France? :hmm:

 

[SirStev0]

I want to chastise them... but in their defense:
FUCK Critics.

 

[SKORPI0]

I definitely don't give a fuck about Tonto (especially if a white guy, even if the white guy is Johnny Depp, is playing the role).

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Or he could be bi-racial or as he thinks, Native American. ^_^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Depp

In a 2002 interview, Depp stated that he believed he has Native American ancestry;[8] in 2011, he specified, "I guess I have some Native American [in me] somewhere down the line. My great-grandmother was quite a bit of Native American, she grew up Cherokee or maybe Creek Indian. Makes sense in terms of coming from Kentucky, which is rife with Cherokee and Creek."[9] He has also stated that he "apparently" has Native American ancestry, and that "There are so many different things you're told [growing up] in Kentucky" [about his heritage].[10] His Native ancestry came under question when Indian Country Today Media Network stated that Depp has never inquired about his heritage nor does the Cherokee Nation recognize him as a member[11] (see also Controversy (Comanche adoption) below). Research published by Ancestry.com in 2013 stated that Depp is a descendant of Elizabeth Key Grinstead (b. 1630), a biracial woman, who was the first woman of African ancestry in the North American colonies to sue for her freedom from slavery and win.[12]


Depp was adopted as an honorary son by LaDonna Harris, a member of the Comanche Nation, on May 22, 2012, making him an honorary member of Harris' family, but not an enrolled member of the Nation.[87] Harris, president of Americans for Indian Opportunity, invited him to join her family after hearing he would be portraying the role of Tonto as a Comanche in the 2013 feature film The Lone Ranger. The ceremony took place at Harris’ home; Comanche Nation Tribal Administrator Johnny Wauqua was in attendance. Depp was presented with gifts by the family, which he then presented to the attendees, as per tradition.[87] In 2013, Indian Country Today Media Network questioned whether Tonto's Giant Nuts (credited in the 2003 movie Once Upon a Time in Mexico), the name of Johnny Depp's band, was a wise choice given the actor's role as Tonto.[88]
Controversy arose over both the adoption and Depp's portrayal of a Native American character,[87] as Depp was not raised in, nor has confirmable ancestry from, a Native American community, though he has said he "guesses" he may have some distant Cherokee or Creek ancestry.[9]

 

[MontyAC]

One look at Depp with the dead bird on his head convinced me not to waste my money.

 

[techs]

I should have been President of the United States. I blame my teachers.

 

[SlickSnake]

"If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all" seems lost on a lot of people, including all the critics and now apparently even the movie makers.

Critics don't determine what I like, I do. But critics do determine the fate of a lot of popular culture, for better or worse, and it's usually for the worse. Just look at the sorry state of so called "popular" music. Ugh.

If you decide to make a movie and spend 200 million plus on it, you better have some iron clad guarantee that someone out there wants to watch it in the first place. There is really poor target marketing going on in the movie industry, and the movie industry can only blame itself for it's failures, not the critics.

 

[who?]

He lived in France less than 183 days a year so he wouldn't have to pay income tax there since he pays tax here as a U.S. citizen. I think he now lives in the L.A. area.

 

[shortylickens]

Attacking your critics is always an effective PR strategy.

they bombed so bad they may as well mouth off.

Johnny Depp is probably close to a billionaire anyways. He can say what he pleases.

 

[nageov3t]

Critics don't determine what I like, I do. But critics do determine the fate of a lot of popular culture, for better or worse, and it's usually for the worse. Just look at the sorry state of so called "popular" music. Ugh.

most of the "worst" of popular culture (bland pop music, vapid reality shows) is pretty much universally panned by critics, though.

 

[SlickSnake]

most of the "worst" of popular culture (bland pop music, vapid reality shows) is pretty much universally panned by critics, though.

If that was the case, then I would hope we had less of it, not more of it. Critics usually love operas, even though most of them don't speak a word of Italian. And critics usually love anything Shakespeare, even though 95% of the non academic world can't figure out what's going on, too.

 

[Raizinman]

I saw the movie. It should have been titled 'Tonto' as Johnny was the star, not the Lone Ranger. Also, the first half of the movie was BORING! It also was a disservice to Native Americans. I didn't like it and gave it poor ratings. It got what it deserved.

 

[Doppel]

I hate Depp as an actor with an undying, unforgiving, and inexorable passion. It pleases me more than anything else on the planet to see a movie he's in tank.

Movie looked absolutely stupid anyway. Lone ranger always was a bit of a fruit cake and no amount of window dressing can change it.

I see a lot of critic hate here. Critics are wisdom. They are the equivalent of reading history. They have watched the movie so you don't have to, if it sucks, or so that you will watch it, if it doesn't. There is a reason why humans have always and always will rely upon the impressions of others. Product reviewing of all kinds have been around since we learned to talk.

Movie critics are like all critics, though. Often wrong. They gave sharknado a 90% on RT, which is madness.

 

[Geosurface]

I didn't see Lone Ranger and I don't have any plans to.

Based on the trailers, I could tell it suffers from modern cinema syndrome, and a particularly bad case of it, at that.

Too much CGI, too many explosions and too many death-defying crazy physical setpieces like the part in the trailer where the train is crashing and Depp and the Lone Ranger are chained up and the chain catches on something and flings them around... and Depp is just smiling and totally calm, confident everything will be fine...

It completely undermines any sense of real peril to have everything be this fakey CGI and to have your characters surviving impossible crap constantly.

I realize big budget, summer spectacle movies have had over the top action forever... but this is something different.

I don't hate CGI, but there's no denying that the CGI genie coming out of the bottle has empowered a lot of filmmakers to do stupid things. Their bombastic stupidity is now off the chain and where the limitations of FX and what could be done physically with sets and models once restrained them... now they can put anything, no matter how improbable, over the top, or stupid on screen.

I think that even in a popcorn flick it pays to have some character development and sense of actual peril and realism, at least part of the time. This looked like just yet another movie where it's endless sight gags, crude jokes, pratfalls, and dumbed down anachronistic dialogue.

Even just going back like 15-20 years, and looking at something like Mask of Zorro or Stargate or Terminator 2... these were films which were certainly summer popcorn flicks with big budgets and plenty of silly aspects to them, but I don't think there were nearly as bad in the areas I've listed.

Hell, even Waterworld was not as bad as people say.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don't think the Wild West is really something that very many people are interested in.

 

[Doppel]

I didn't see Lone Ranger and I don't have any plans to.

Based on the trailers, I could tell it suffers from modern cinema syndrome, and a particularly bad case of it, at that.

Too much CGI, too many explosions and too many death-defying crazy physical setpieces like the part in the trailer where the train is crashing and Depp and the Lone Ranger are chained up and the chain catches on something and flings them around... and Depp is just smiling and totally calm, confident everything will be fine...

It completely undermines any sense of real peril to have everything be this fakey CGI and to have your characters surviving impossible crap constantly.

I realize big budget, summer spectacle movies have had over the top action forever... but this is something different.

I don't hate CGI, but there's no denying that the CGI genie coming out of the bottle has empowered a lot of filmmakers to do stupid things. Their bombastic stupidity is now off the chain and where the limitations of FX and what could be done physically with sets and models once restrained them... now they can put anything, no matter how improbable, over the top, or stupid on screen.

I think that even in a popcorn flick it pays to have some character development and sense of actual peril and realism, at least part of the time. This looked like just yet another movie where it's endless sight gags, crude jokes, pratfalls, and dumbed down anachronistic dialogue.

Even just going back like 15-20 years, and looking at something like Mask of Zorro or Stargate or Terminator 2... these were films which were certainly summer popcorn flicks with big budgets and plenty of silly aspects to them, but I don't think there were nearly as bad in the areas I've listed.

Hell, even Waterworld was not as bad as people say.

I'd make sexy time with you if you were here, even wrapping it up with the Waterworld comment--that movie is a guilty pleasure.

I call what you're describing bullshit physics. A lot of movies do it and it turns the thing into an idiotic and un-watchable video game.

 

[n7]

Idiots.

Make a shitty movie and blame others instead of stepping back and seeing the crap you made...

 

[OlafSicky]

If Johnny Depp doesn't like the critics he should leave the country and live somewhere like France.

He does live in france and so does john malkovich both american hating weirdies :biggrin:

 

[Malak]

Like the majority I saw a trailer and passed. But the last movie I watched in theaters showed a different trailer and I liked it a lot. I'll still wait for Redbox though.

I never listen to critics. It's just opinion and everyone is different. A local critic once dogged on Lord of the Rings and praised the latest Pierce Brosnan Bond movie.