londons burning

[HAL9000]

trollin?

Confirmed.

 

[HAL9000]

You're speculating. They're not mutes. They can make themselves be heard. They could be telling people that their upset with the establishment, they could be carrying signs with slogans, they could be attacking police stations, banks, symbols of the establishment. They're not doing any of those things. They're stealing video games from their neighborhood shops.

They actually are making themselves heard on the News, Journalists are stopping them and asking why and they say "Because it's fun"

 

[CanOWorms]

trollin?

Seeking rational action is not trolling. People here calling for the military to exterminate the protestors seems like trolling to me.

 

[spidey07]

They actually are making themselves heard on the News, Journalists are stopping them and asking why and they say "Because it's fun"

It's not like I gotta go to work tomorrow or anything silly like that. It's the government, the man, keeping me down.

 

[HAL9000]

It's not like I gotta go to work tomorrow or anything silly like that. It's the government, the man, keeping me down.

Sorry what?!

 

[Infohawk]

*troll noises*

 

[CanOWorms]

I wonder if the protest will last several weeks like the French 2005 protests.

It seems that Obama has shamed the British again. The State Department has issued a warning for American citizens in the UK to exercise caution.

 

[Infohawk]

I wonder if someone will feed me.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm definitely now pro getting the Army in, walking the streets systematically executing these idiots, my poor friends are up there and being subjected to this crap for no reason. How these morons can thing that doing this is fun is beyond me, they need killing.

 

[Doppel]

Seeking rational action is not trolling. People here calling for the military to exterminate the protestors seems like trolling to me.

You are hard on for Europe when you tag-team troll with rabidmoose in threads like this. You've already called, IIRC, for preemptive strikes on the UK in the past to "send them a message" not to overstep the UN mandates in Libya.

 

[HAL9000]

:awe:

 

[CanOWorms]

The far-right group that inspired the Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik is now "patrolling" the streets. I wonder what can go wrong...

U.K. far right promises vigilantism in riots

The far-right group was cited as an inspiration to Anders Behring Breivik who has confessed to the July 22 massacre in Norway.

 

[CanOWorms]

You are hard on for Europe when you tag-team troll with rabidmoose in threads like this. You've already called, IIRC, for preemptive strikes on the UK in the past to "send them a message" not to overstep the UN mandates in Libya.

I have no recollection of that. However, I've never called for the deaths of civilians. Many of the people here are calling for execution of the protestors.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Then you don't know any chavs.

Social racism is not the answer.

You're speculating. They're not mutes. They can make themselves be heard. They could be telling people that their upset with the establishment, they could be carrying signs with slogans, they could be attacking police stations, banks, symbols of the establishment. They're not doing any of those things. They're stealing video games from their neighborhood shops.

We are all speculating.

Ask yourselves why these people want to burn, steal, and assault people. Why do they find it fun? All I’ve heard on here is an us vs. them attitude. No one even stopped to think that these are your fellow country men. Something has made them this way.
I see people that no longer believe that their government cares what they say. So, they are trying to say it in the only way they know how, by burning things.
As I said, they are not too bright.

I don't support them, I think what is going on is a tragedy, and needs to stop and the British government should use what ever force is necessary to do that (but not one bit more then necessary!) But then ya’ll as a country need to take a carful look at what is making these people so angry and try to do something about it.

 

[HAL9000]

Social racism is not the answer.

If you could watch the footage of these riots, it is chavs, who are rioting "coz it's fun".

 

[SMOGZINN]

How these morons can thing that doing this is fun is beyond me, they need killing.

It is amazing how a little threat changes all those hard argued pacifistic ethics you have been espousing. I don't blame you for being scared and angry, but try to remember they are people too.

 

[HAL9000]

It is amazing how a little threat changes all those hard argued pacifistic ethics you have been espousing. I don't blame you for being scared and angry, but try to remember they are people too.

Chavs aren't people, they are sub-human. If they are prepared to kill, and destroy their own city for fun, then I see no reason why I should argue to save their lives.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If you could watch the footage of these riots, it is chavs, who are rioting "coz it's fun".

You are showing a very high level of racism now. It sounds a lot like some of the worst of the old southerners that I have to listen to here in Texas.
You use racial slurs to distance them from you, to make them into a ‘other’ so that it is easy to hate them. You disassociate them from any positive attributes, and assign blanket negative attributes to an entire section of society. You basically make them sub-human.
It was a easy step from that to calling for their death.

 

[HAL9000]

You are showing a very high level of racism now. It sounds a lot like some of the worst of the old southerners that I have to listen to here in Texas.
You use racial slurs to distance them from you, to make them into a ‘other’ so that it is easy to hate them. You disassociate them from any positive attributes, and assign blanket negative attributes to an entire section of society. You basically make them sub-human.
It was a easy step from that to calling for their death.

Chavs aren't a race, they chose to be chavs.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Chavs aren't a race, they chose to be chavs.

I agree it is a strange use of the term race. But I think it is the best word we have for them, a socio-economic ‘race’. Really they are more of a class, but as social promotion has become nearly impossible for them, race really fits better.
They are born into that status, have almost no hope of changing it, and so, like any other racial group they then conform to the expectations of that group.

 

[HAL9000]

I agree it is a strange use of the term race. But I think it is the best word we have for them, a socio-economic ‘race’. Really they are more of a class, but as social promotion has become nearly impossible for them, race really fits better.
They are born into that status, have almost no hope of changing it, and so, like any other racial group they then conform to the expectations of that group.

Absolutely not, they aren't born into being a chav, some chavs have chav parents but not all, they are rich, poor, black, white, tall, short, fat, thin. It doesn't matter. They are all chavs, they choose to do what they do. Just like some people who are born with chav parents choose not to be a chav.

 

[WelshBloke]

I agree it is a strange use of the term race. But I think it is the best word we have for them, a socio-economic ?race?. Really they are more of a class, but as social promotion has become nearly impossible for them, race really fits better.
They are born into that status, have almost no hope of changing it, and so, like any other racial group they then conform to the expectations of that group.

I don't think the word chav means what you think.

You wouldn't call emo's a race would you?

 

[spidey07]

I wonder if the protest will last several weeks like the French 2005 protests.

It seems that Obama has shamed the British again. The State Department has issued a warning for American citizens in the UK to exercise caution.

Shamed? That fucker in office is encouraging it just as he's encouraging it here in the states.

 

[DivideBYZero]

The far-right group that inspired the Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik is now "patrolling" the streets. I wonder what can go wrong...

U.K. far right promises vigilantism in riots

 

[SMOGZINN]

Absolutely not, they aren't born into being a chav, some chavs have chav parents but not all, they are rich, poor, black, white, tall, short, fat, thin. It doesn't matter. They are all chavs, they choose to do what they do. Just like some people who are born with chav parents choose not to be a chav.

I don't think the word chav means what you think.

You wouldn't call emo's a race would you?

No, I wouldn't. I was under the impression that Chavs were basically the poor disenfranchised, underemployed, mostly uneducated youth. That is was strongly associated with coming from poverty level families that did not have a strong tradition of education.