Lobbyists pissed off at Obama. Change we can believe in

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http://www.npr.org/templates/s....php?storyId=103825804

Let's count the ways President Obama's operation has shown its disdain for Washington lobbyists.

In 2007, the Obama for America campaign told federally registered lobbyists it wouldn't accept their contributions. That was really OK with a lot of them.

But then, after Election Day, the Obama organization restricted the roles lobbyists could play in the transition.

The day after Obama was sworn in, he signed an executive order that sharply restricts lobbyists' job prospects in the administration. Under the order, an agency can't hire a lobbyist to work in his or her area of expertise unless the White House grants a waiver. So far, it has granted four.

And finally, in memos following passage of the economic stimulus package, the White House says registered lobbyists can advocate for specific stimulus projects only in letters to be posted online.

"They don't go into a meeting and ask, 'Are you a felon, are you a child molester, are you a terrorist?'" says Dave Wenhold, president of the American League of Lobbyists. "But they will ask if you're a lobbyist, and ask you to leave."

Wenhold says the policy has resonated through the administration, and lobbyists have been frozen out of meetings that have nothing to do with stimulus spending. He argues that registered lobbyists ? unlike others who ask for stimulus funds ? are legally bound to disclose their activities. He says the Obama team has its logic backward.

"Why would you take somebody who is accountable and take them out of the system," he asks, "and encourage people who aren't accountable and put them in the system?"

Wenhold took his complaints to the White House last month, meeting with White House ethics lawyer Norm Eisen. Along with Wenhold were representatives of the American Civil Liberties Union and the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, plus attorney Ken Gross, representing the lobbyists group.

"Lobbyists have been separated as if they're some evil force," says Gross, who's laying the groundwork for a possible lawsuit. He says the no-lobbyists policy violates equal-protection rights, free speech rights and the First Amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Even setting the constitutional issues aside, Gross notes that corporate lobbyists are not the only ones caught by the policy. "There are 15 states that actually engage outside lobbyists," he says. "There are not-for-profit groups who are unable to participate."

But the White House isn't flinching.

Eisen, the White House ethics lawyer, spoke Tuesday at a George Washington University conference on lobbying. He said the administration's goal is to shut off lobbying pitches based on special relationships. He said voters should have an assurance "that everything the lobbyist is saying to the decision-maker about that particular project, the lobbyist is saying to you, too."

One of the administration's allies here is the liberal group Public Citizen. Its ethics maven, Craig Holman, is also concerned about lobbying by companies that got government bailouts. He calls it "influence peddling for the pursuit of their own interests," and said they're not really private companies anymore.

The top 10 recipients, including Citigroup and General Motors, together spent nearly $10 million to lobby Congress and the administration in the first quarter of 2009.

Holman says, "They've accepted so much in public funds, that they should ? must ? change their attitude ? away from viewing themselves as a private special interest into viewing themselves as part of the public interest."

A Senate bill would address this, although it's kind of a long-shot. It would amend an existing law, which bars nonprofits from using federal grant money to lobby, expanding the law to cover the bailed-out companies.

Lobbyist Scott Talbott with the Financial Services Roundtable, an industry group, rejects the entire approach, saying that lobbying is an integral part of a corporation's recovery plan.

"The interests of the shareholders and the bond holders still need to be maintained," he says. "Just because a company was willing to accept TARP money doesn't mean those interests go away."

That would be true, he says, even when the federal government is the biggest investor of all.

The line that really struck me was this:

"They don't go into a meeting and ask, 'Are you a felon, are you a child molester, are you a terrorist?'" says Dave Wenhold, president of the American League of Lobbyists. "But they will ask if you're a lobbyist, and ask you to leave."

Uh yes, it isn't felons/child molesters/terrorists that have screwed up our political system (although in terrorists you could argue it gave Bush the excuse to rape our constitution), it's lobbyists that have screwed us so badly, over everything from energy, to the environment, to healthcare, to financial regulation.

Kudos to Obama to setting strict standards on lobbying.
 

Arkaign

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If lobbyists are mad, somebody's doing something right.

I think ALL income outside of the federal salary should be permanently banned, and that furthermore, each congressman or senator should only receive the average income for his or her state on a yearly basis, or alternatively, what an army recruit earns in his first year. Punishment for taking bribes (PAC $ is bribes, any other assertions are excuses) should be a mandatory 25-year federal imprisonment in a maximum security facility with rapists and murderers. Campaign finance should be severely limited, to perhaps $10k total, which comes directly out of the candidate's own pockets.

I'm sick and tired of politics being a lifetime, insider, get-rich scheme. If the conditions were very harsh, only the most dedicated public servant would want to persevere through to do a great duty for our nation.
 

OrByte

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Ive personally experienced this relative to the American Reimbursement and Recovery Act and its implementation.

At first people around the room were like "wtf? why does the fed care if there are lobbyists in the room listening!?

:)

I thought it was cool.
 

Lemon law

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Somehow its difficult for me to buy the argument that special interests lobbyists are the good guys. And in fact are organized clods and finks who should be ridden out of Washington astride rails clothed in tar and feathers.
 

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Maybe lobbyist from the Cayman islands will stage a tea bag party organized and paid for by Fox.
 

trenchfoot

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How these guys must long for the days when the highest seat in our government was located on K Street.

Now if we could only clear these infectous corruptive rodents out of Congress, we'd have our government back.
 

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Obama's rejection of lobbyists was probably the single biggest thing that got him my vote prior to the election. Good to see he's holding fast - it can't be easy.
 

Starbuck1975

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What do you all make of this story. These lobbyists don't seem too pissed off.

Lobbyists help Dems draft climate change bill

Key points:

Democratic lawmakers who spent much of the Bush administration blasting officials for letting energy lobbyists write national policy have turned to a coalition of business and environmental groups to help draft their own sweeping climate bill.

And one little-noticed provision of the draft bill would give one of the coalition's co-founders a lucrative exemption on a coal-fired project it is building.

To be fair, the article does mention that the Obama Administrations approach has been more transparent then the task force led under Cheney. However, environmental groups are none too happy with the decision, as lobbyists workin on behalf of Duke energy essentially obtained an exemption to policy.

Duke Energy donated $11,000 to Mr. Dingell and $10,000 to Mr. Boucher during the 2008 election cycle. Mr. Dingell and Mr. Boucher still held their respective chairmanships at that time.

I am sure that had no influence on Duke Energy receiving the grandfathered in exemption.

Many environmentalists have chafed at new coal plant construction, calling the term "clean coal" a "dirty lie." More than 40 environmental activists were arrested outside the Cliffside plant protesting the coal project late last month.

"It is just the most blatant hypocrisy," Jim Warren, executive director of North Carolina Waste Awareness and Reduction Network and one of the 44 protesters arrested, said of Mr. Rogers' environmental proclamations.




 

Craig234

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Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?

Probably not now, since you will take implicit credit for it. I'm sure some would rather die, or certainly remain silent, than give you the pleasure.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Craig234
Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?

Probably not now, since you will take implicit credit for it. I'm sure some would rather die, or certainly remain silent, than give you the pleasure.

We should be so lucky...but either option would be fine.
 

cubby1223

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Just like pretty much everything else in life, there are both respectable lobbyists and despicable lobbyists. It's too early to determine if this is truly "change we can believe in". Let's see if it indeed improves government and reduces corruption.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Just like pretty much everything else in life, there are both respectable lobbyists and despicable lobbyists. It's too early to determine if this is truly "change we can believe in". Let's see if it indeed improves government and reduces corruption.

If you were a lobbyist for a multi-billion dollar corporation who say.. wanted to dump toxic chemicals or not be forced to do thorough testing etc.. and if you got the govt to ease up on them you would earn 5 million?

What kind of lobbyist would YOU be..lol
 

Skitzer

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Originally posted by: tweaker2

Now if we could only clear these infectous corruptive rodents out of Congress, we'd have our government back.

Unfortunately if we cleared the infectious corrupted rodents out of Congress we'd have no government left.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Originally posted by: tweaker2

Now if we could only clear these infectous corruptive rodents out of Congress, we'd have our government back.

Unfortunately if we cleared the infectious corrupted rodents out of Congress we'd have no government left.

PLEASE remind yourself what you just did... Dems are not your enemy.. corrupted politicians form BOTH sides as you mentioned ARE
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Originally posted by: Craig234
Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?

Probably not now, since you will take implicit credit for it. I'm sure some would rather die, or certainly remain silent, than give you the pleasure.

First, that's BS. What they choose to post or not post reflects on them, not credit or blame for me. Either they show some character and intellectual honesty, or they choose not to.

Second, that's BS. That's a pathetic apologism for them, as if they would have posted. I note a couple hour window as well before I posted, where several others posted.

They could have, did not, and likely would not and will not. Your post says something very bad about them.
 

Starbuck1975

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Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?
I posted a story that contradicts the premise of this article, so why would anyone prematurely give credit for a policy decision that is only a few months old, and for which there is evidence that challenges the success in implementing this policy.

First, that's BS. What they choose to post or not post reflects on them, not credit or blame for me. Either they show some character and intellectual honesty, or they choose not to.
Perhaps because those of us who do attempt to engage in intellectually honest discourse are dismissed and attacked by the rabid Obama devotees, just as many of you were by the Bush devotees.

They could have, did not, and likely would not and will not. Your post says something very bad about them.
His post was an opinion piece, not backed up by any facts or tangible evidence. As we are often reminded when we criticize Obama, it is too early to tell if he can keep to this campaign promise.

Even if his Administration set this policy, his colleagues in Congress apparently did not.

 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Think we'll see 10 or 20 right-wingers posting in this thread giving credit where it's due to Obama, like we do in threads against him?
I posted a story that contradicts the premise of this article, so why would anyone prematurely give credit for a policy decision that is only a few months old, and for which there is evidence that challenges the success in implementing this policy.

First, that's BS. What they choose to post or not post reflects on them, not credit or blame for me. Either they show some character and intellectual honesty, or they choose not to.
Perhaps because those of us who do attempt to engage in intellectually honest discourse are dismissed and attacked by the rabid Obama devotees, just as many of you were by the Bush devotees.

They could have, did not, and likely would not and will not. Your post says something very bad about them.
His post was an opinion piece, not backed up by any facts or tangible evidence. As we are often reminded when we criticize Obama, it is too early to tell if he can keep to this campaign promise.

Even if his Administration set this policy, his colleagues in Congress apparently did not.

Amen. Last I checked, money (mostly borrowed, increasing the burden on future generations) was still flowing out of Washington like water over a busted dam, just in slightly different directions than during the Bush years. So the GOP-friendly lobbyists are taking a beating, but Dem-friendly lobbyists are still doing quite well.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I posted a story that contradicts the premise of this article, so why would anyone prematurely give credit for a policy decision that is only a few months old, and for which there is evidence that challenges the success in implementing this policy.

How does the story contradict the OP? Your story is about the democratic congress, mine is about the white house.

Perhaps because those of us who do attempt to engage in intellectually honest discourse are dismissed and attacked by the rabid Obama devotees, just as many of you were by the Bush devotees.

Which is funny because you're intellectually dishonest by trying to link your article to mine.

His post was an opinion piece, not backed up by any facts or tangible evidence. As we are often reminded when we criticize Obama, it is too early to tell if he can keep to this campaign promise.

Even if his Administration set this policy, his colleagues in Congress apparently did not.

Which is still 10000 times more than what any rethuglican president has done.
 

Budmantom

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Yes finally Barrack Hussein Obama has gotten rid of the lobbyists and he has rejected earmarks, he has brought to light all the tax cheats and made them pay, he has been a great steward with our tax dollar not letting a single penny be misspent, he has gone through the budget line by line and gotten rid of all the waste, his administration is transparent and Obama along with Harry Reed and Natzi Pelosi have created the most open and honest government in history.


This is hope and change we can believe in...... I think I just fainted.

 

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Thus far, I approve of his actions regarding lobbyists. If only congress would follow his example. Corporate lobbying has been a thorn in the side of our democracy for far too long. I can understand why there would be constitutional issues here, as freedom of speech and freedom to petition for redress of grievances are quite important, but I don't tend to think of these as being issues here with regards to corporate interests. I know I'm decidedly in the minority in that I don't think corporations should be afforded these constitutional protections, as they are not people. (and before the pile-on begins, I know that corporations are treated as people under the law - I just don't happen to agree with it.)
 

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Was there a statement that he would accept NO lobbyists in his admin; yet he hired 2 or 3.
 

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This falls under the category of "window dressing" and "for show". The lobbyists still run washington, and will probably always do so. The only thing that changes is which group the lobbyists shower with money to get their needs met.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Was there a statement that he would accept NO lobbyists in his admin; yet he hired 2 or 3.


These "rules" don't apply to Obama, only he knows what rules and laws apply to him and his administration.