Lobbying firm takes on OWS

[Lemon law]

Its does not surprise me a bit that the GOP will commit money to discredit OWS when the OWS movement is just getting started.

Dimocrats never spent similar bucks to discredit the tea party movement, as the tea party did a fine job of discrediting themselves.

Liberals and the common man are always slow to organize even in crisis, but now that the cops are pepper spaying protesters, lots of luck for GOP lobbyists to make pepper spay popular.

 

[Lemon law]

Actually, they are smarter than the rest of us, that's why they're more powerful and wealthy to begin with

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Actually if we look at history, the average GOP member is does a piss poor job of acting in their own self interests.

Maybe Joe the plumber is a classic example.

As ole Joe in debt had dreams of owning his own plumbing business. And worried in advance about the taxes he might have to pay if he ever got there.

But we forgot to ask about Joe's Boss, the employer, who business was already in the sewer, because his customer's were in the sewer. As a result, Joe's boss no longer made big bucks, in commercial plumbing that is heavily dependent on the customer confidence to invest in brand new housing market already in the sewer. As for the ordinary consumer who used to depend on Joe's boss to fix their clogged drains, no a days, they would rather pay
some unemployed family members who have some limited plumbing knowledge, rather than opt for Joe's boss.

Even if you look to only republicans voters, they too are swiftly falling back in a bad economy. Except the maybe 1/2 of the 1% who make out and increase their wealth while everyone else gets screwed. While the economic opportunities diminish for 99.5% of all Americans. Its the only clear lesson from current economic statistics.

Most in the GOP are sold an appealing short range bill of goods while they too cut their own throats too.

In short the Double Trouble thesis does not hold water. The American people are simply poor at voting their own self interests, as our diminishing American economy proves quite clearly. A common disease, equally popular among dimocrats and republirats. Which fails to even imply a third party is not a even worse alternative to accelerate the decline.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Not surprised one bit. Sounds like COINTELPRO of the late 50s-70s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

"

1. Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit and disrupt. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
2. Psychological Warfare From the Outside: The FBI and police used a myriad of other "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble for activists"

 

[monovillage]

I really think you have a memory that sees through rose colored glasses. Here's just a single example where the DNC spent .....millions? on an ad campaign (doesn't give actual numbers) to discredit the Tea Party, i'm sure there's more examples, this one only took me seconds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/democrats-2010-strategy-r_n_661978.html

 

[monovillage]

Not surprised one bit. Sounds like COINTELPRO of the late 50s-70s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

"

1. Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit and disrupt. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
2. Psychological Warfare From the Outside: The FBI and police used a myriad of other "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble for activists"

Do they only do it to left wing and progressive groups, or are conservative and right wing groups also victims of these "dirty tricks" and infiltrations?

 

[KGB]

In the old days, this is what was known as "rat fucking".

 

[Atreus21]

Me thinks that you don't understand what the OWS message is.

It has nothing to do with playing Robin Hood, but everything to do with taking away the loopholes and ability to buy access that allows special treatment so that you can create more loopholes so that you can further exploit everyone else.

That is 100%, utterly, completely, entirely and wholly a problem of governance, not Wall St.

 

[crownjules]

I really think you have a memory that sees through rose colored glasses. Here's just a single example where the DNC spent .....millions? on an ad campaign (doesn't give actual numbers) to discredit the Tea Party, i'm sure there's more examples, this one only took me seconds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/democrats-2010-strategy-r_n_661978.html

Yes, both sides do it. Partisans will either be blind to it or point to it as validation and approval for their side's use of similar tactics. Anyone who's not a partisan has realized that our parties are more interested in doing things that keep them in power than focusing on governing our nation and sorting out the problems.

 

[werepossum]

That is 100%, utterly, completely, entirely and wholly a problem of governance, not Wall St.

Agreed. But the Occupiers aren't looking for a level field, they are looking for handouts. Therefore they must embrace government in spite of its culpability, as the private sector is not capable of robbing others to give them free stuff.

Ticks demanding a bigger piece of dog.

 

[blankslate]

The Financial industry got their hand outs, then used clever accounting to imply the handouts were paid back.

If we held them to the same standards that some want to hold the Occupy movement then the banks whose sheer size threatened the economy would have been broken into smaller pieces as a condition TARP.

 

[Craig234]

Do they only do it to left wing and progressive groups, or are conservative and right wing groups also victims of these "dirty tricks" and infiltrations?

Only left wing groups have targeted that I'm aware of, but all groups have been subject to it, they're not all targeted at political groups. For example, involuntary LSD testing.

 

[monovillage]

Only left wing groups have targeted that I'm aware of, but all groups have been subject to it, they're not all targeted at political groups. For example, involuntary LSD testing.

I'm pretty sure that groups like the John Birch Society and others were targeted in this fashion. Yes, a wide variety of either involuntary testing or testing without full disclosure.

 

[Craig234]

I'm pretty sure that groups like the John Birch Society and others were targeted in this fashion. Yes, a wide variety of either involuntary testing or testing without full disclosure.

Link to such crimes committed against the John Birch Society?

Quite the contrary, we had the military forcing troops to listen to Birth Society speakers.

 

[monovillage]

Sorry no links, but I'd be surprised if you don't think the FBI didn't have an eye on nutcase groups like the JBS.

 

[Craig234]

Sorry no links, but I'd be surprised if you don't think the FBI didn't have an eye on nutcase groups like the JBS.

Yes, the abuses against left-wing groups was 'having an eye on them'.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Zebo]

Funny thing is OWS is not left wing group. Karl Denninger, a tea party founder, has been cataloging this event pretty good with interviews and daily updates and there are tea party cross overs, leftys, righties and everyone in between who is pissed off at influence peddling, corruption and rule of law not being applied. The so called dirty lefty hippies not wanting to pay their student loans may be focused on but that's what they want y'all to hear so the serfs go away.

 

[monovillage]

CORE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

From the article cited
"and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations"

from your friend wiki

The Congress of Racial Equality or CORE was a U.S. civil rights organization that originally played a pivotal role for African-Americans in the Civil Rights Movement. Membership in CORE is still stated to be open to "anyone who believes that 'all people are created equal' and is willing to work towards the ultimate goal of true equality throughout the world.” Today, CORE advocates for controversial, conservative causes.

Thanks for playing and losing again.

 

[Zebo]

That is 100%, utterly, completely, entirely and wholly a problem of governance, not Wall St.

What's the difference?

 

[Craig234]

CORE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

From the article cited
"and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations"

from your friend wiki

The Congress of Racial Equality or CORE was a U.S. civil rights organization that originally played a pivotal role for African-Americans in the Civil Rights Movement. Membership in CORE is still stated to be open to "anyone who believes that 'all people are created equal' and is willing to work towards the ultimate goal of true equality throughout the world.” Today, CORE advocates for controversial, conservative causes.

Thanks for playing and losing again.

If that post ignoring your errors was to me, I didn't mention CORE. Guess who loses again. Oh by the way, was CORE targeted as a civil rights group or a right-wing one?

 

[monovillage]

It was the post i referenced in my first post that you responded to. It's both, CORE was and is a civil rights group and it's also a right wing group. Contrary to your prejudices they aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Craig234]

It was the post i referenced in my first post that you responded to. It's both, CORE was and is a civil rights group and it's also a right wing group. Contrary to your prejudices they aren't mutually exclusive.

You're posting badly. From the wiki you site, CORE 'turned to the right' after the civil rights movement, and the 1960's civil rights movement was led by the left.

LBJ remarked correctly that he 'gave away the White House to Republicans for at least a generation' for the civil rights bill, while Nixon ran on a racist 'southern strategy'.

CORE since 1968

Since 1968, CORE has been led by National Chairman Roy Innis, who initially led the organization to strongly support Black Nationalism. Subsequent political developments within the organization led it turn more towards the right. CORE supported the presidential candidacy of Richard Nixon in 1968 and 1972. In 1970, CORE voiced its support for racially-separate, segregated schools.[9] An article in Mother Jones magazine said of the modern organization that it "is better known among real civil rights groups for renting out its historic name to any corporation in need of a black front person. The group has taken money from the payday-lending industry, chemical giant (and original DDT manufacturer) Monsanto, and ExxonMobil."[10] In his book, Not A Conspiracy Theory: How Business Propaganda Hijacks Democracy, Donald Gutstein wrote that "In recent years CORE used its African-American facade to work with conservative groups to attack organizations like Greenpeace and undermine environmental regulation. It’s fair to say that CORE was for sale to anyone with a need for visible black cheerleaders in its campaign."[11]

Recently, on same sex marriage and black health in the U.S.: "When you say to society at large that you have to accept, not only accept our lifestyle, but promote it and put it on the same plane and equate it with traditional marriage, that's where we draw the line and we say 'no.' That's not something that is a civil right. That is not something that is a human right," said Niger Innis, national spokesman for CORE, and son of Roy Innis.[12]

 

[monovillage]

You're the one off the tracks, if you quote a remarkably left-wing publication to support your remarkably left wing claims, then don't expect any reasonable person to agree with you. Mother Jones? I mean really. I remember the civil rights era, i went through it, I don't have to cite some bogus article in Mother Jones to know that it wasn't just a left/right division. Back to the original point and that is that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies did indeed infiltrate right wing groups.