LMFAO.. Satanists makes formal request to open meeting with prayer to his god

[Retro Rob]

You certainly seem to be saying that your beliefs are more valid than his because they have been around longer there.

Nope, I said Chrsitianity has more value historically (which is true) thus are worthy of some investigation.

Why do you think religion is in history books and claims of you being God, aren't?

Nuff said...

 

[MasterOfUsers]

That line above shows your Dogma again. You see Christians through your particular lens of an indoctrinated child. Not all of us are indoctrinated children. Some of us are scientists at heart, that believe testing our faith and questioning it leads to a greater faith.

I've given you links as to God being compared to a parent figure in terms of this free-will discussion. But, you, who isn't Christian, who clearly knows little about the Christian religion, is going to argue what an ineffectual Comparison of God is? Cmon, I hope that sounds equally ridiculous to you.

It's clear that you have an issue with your childhood and how you believe your parents "indoctrinated" you into Christianity. But, I believe that's an issue that you should probably take up with a counselor. Again, not everyone's story is yours.

I think everyone should be respectful of peoples religions or their lack of religion. You are not here to discuss anything, you are here to denigrate and your language is clear proof of that. I'm respectful to those who choose not to believe in GOD, and I expect the same. So, I'm ending the discussion.

I suppose that if you are not interested at ALL in the discussion it's better to not have it.

I just don't get what all the rambling was about, either the future is set in stone (god is actually omniscient) and you have no free will or it isn't and you do.

This isn't dogma, when you have two mutually exclusive claims then only one can be true.

 

[WelshBloke]

Nope, I said Chrsitianity has more value historically (which is true) thus are worthy of some investigation.

Why do you think religion is in history books and claims of you being God, aren't?

Nuff said...

Historical value says nothing about if something is true.
The Greek myths have a lot of historical value, are they as true as Christianity?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Nope, I said Chrsitianity has more value historically (which is true) thus are worthy of some investigation.

Why do you think religion is in history books and claims of you being God, aren't?

Nuff said...

Of course religion is in history books but the claim that god is real or the claim that i am god both will not appear there.

This discussion isn't about whether plenty of people historically believed in something (Hinduism is the oldest now practised religion) it is whether there is any good reason to believe it is true.

The whole argument started with your "so you are saying that there is evidence for atheism" quip.

 

[Retro Rob]

The Greek myths have a lot of historical value, are they as true as Christianity?

Thank you.

Greeks myths are just as valuable as Christian ones historically. Whether they are true or not is not why I mentioned the history behind it.

Don't be afraid to agree with me. You've made my point clear, and thanks.

 

[Retro Rob]

Of course religion is in history books but...the claim that i am god....will not appear there.

That wasn't hard, was it?

I thought only kids needed their meats chopped up before they could eat...

 

[WelshBloke]

Thank you.

Greeks myths are just as valuable as Christian ones historically. Whether they are true or not is not why I mentioned the history behind it.

Don't be afraid to agree with me. You've made my point clear, and thanks.

So your argument is that Christianity is a myth?

I think we can agree then.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

That wasn't hard, was it?

I thought only kids needed their meats chopped up before they could eat...

Cute, you edited what i said to make it seem i said something i did not.

Strawman fallacy.

Can you complete a single post without resorting to logical fallacies?

I would seem you cannot.

 

[Retro Rob]

So your argument is that Christianity is a myth?

I think we can agree then.

Sure.

Just remember, rules of logic apply here too. If saying that something is true doesn't make true, then saying something is false doesn't make it false, right?

So where's our evidence to make "Christianity is a myth" a true statement?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Sure.

Just remember, rules of logic apply here too. If saying that something is true doesn't make true, then saying something is false doesn't make it false, right?

So where's our evidence to make "Christianity is a myth" a true statement?

There is no such evidence, just as there is no evidence that my dying soul is not actually the god referenced in the Bible.

Now we've gone full circle.

 

[WelshBloke]

Sure.

Just remember, rules of logic apply here too. If saying that something is true doesn't make true, then saying something is false doesn't make it false, right?

So where's our evidence to make "Christianity is a myth" a true statement?

myth
mɪθ/Submit
noun
noun: myth; plural noun: myths
1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
"ancient Celtic myths"
synonyms: folk tale, story, folk story, legend, tale, fable, saga, allegory, parable, tradition, lore, folklore; More
2.
a widely held but false belief or idea.
"the belief that evening primrose oil helps to cure eczema is a myth, according to dermatologists"
a fictitious or imaginary person or thing.
"nobody had ever heard of Simon's mysterious friend—Anna said he was a myth"
an exaggerated or idealized conception of a person or thing.
"the book is a scholarly study of the Churchill myth"
synonyms: misconception, fallacy, mistaken belief, false notion, misbelief, old wives' tale, fairy story, fairy tale, fiction, fantasy, delusion, figment of the imagination;

Sounds like the first definition fits perfectly to me, why would you say thats wrong?

Unless you'd rather the second?

 

[Retro Rob]

There is no such evidence, just as there is no evidence that my dying soul is not actually the god referenced in the Bible.

Now we've gone full circle.

Now we are getting somewhere. I don't claim that your claim is false, I simply don't believe it.

And since I'd be forced to prove a negative (something atheist say and agree with), it's not up to me to prove it false.

I take the logical position, and until you provide sufficient evidence that your soul is the god of the Bible, your claim is simply ignored.

Yes, we have come full circle.

So where's your evidence?

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't claim that your claim is false, I simply don't believe it.

Those two positions are the same apart from one position lacking the balls to back itself up.

 

[Retro Rob]

Sounds like the first definition fits perfectly to me, why would you say thats wrong?

Unless you'd rather the second?

Well, I guess we've proven Christianity a myth. :thumbsup:

 

[Retro Rob]

Those two positions are the same apart from one position lacking the balls to back itself up.

Which position is that?

 

[WelshBloke]

Which position is that?

I don't believe it.

Its not true.

Those are both the same.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, I guess we've proven Christianity a myth. :thumbsup:

So now the question is "why is your mythology any more valid or truthful than any other?"


Want to carry on playing?

 

[Retro Rob]

So now the question is "why is your mythology any more valid or truthful than any other?"


Want to carry on playing?

Are you saying there is validity in mythology? I just have to show mines to be "more true" than the others?

That I can do.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you saying there is validity in mythology? I just have to show mines to be "more true" than the others?

That I can do.

With this, you can be the best myth out there. But, alas...it's still a myth.

 

[WelshBloke]

Are you saying there is validity in mythology? I just have to show mines to be "more true" than the others?

That I can do.

There is no such thing as "more true" its either "true" or "not true", but feel free to bring any facts and evidence that you wish.

Theres certainly value in mythology though, it doesnt make it real however.

 

[Retro Rob]

There is no such thing as "more true" its either "true" or "not true", but feel free to bring any facts and evidence that you wish.

How can a mythology ever be "true"?

Theres certainly value in mythology though, it doesnt make it real however.

Value doesn't make something real, lack of value doesn't make it false.

I think the point that has become clear, is that saying something is a myth doesn't make it a myth, nor does saying something is real, make it real.

 

[WelshBloke]

How can a mythology ever be "true"?

By being a true (I'll leave a little leeway here, theres always going to be a bit of historical inaccuracy) account of things.

Value doesn't make something real, lack of value doesn't make it false.

Indeed, there's value in stories. I always enjoyed "Lord of the Flies" when I was younger, the fact it was fictional didnt make it worthless.

I think the point that has become clear, is that saying something is a myth doesn't make it a myth, nor does saying something is real, make it real.

But saying something isnt a myth doesnt make it not one and saying is something truthful doesnt make it so.

Unless you have some stunning evidence that was hereto hidden from the world then Christianity is very much a myth.

Truthfulness comes with a burden of proof, feel free to bring it anytime.

 

[Retro Rob]

But saying something isnt a myth doesnt make it not one and saying is something truthful doesnt make it so.

Right, so statements of truth are empty when there's no evidence to back them up, regardless of what that statement is.

Truthfulness comes with a burden of proof, feel free to bring it anytime.

Is saying "God is a myth" a statement of "truthfulness"?

 

[WelshBloke]

Right, so statements of truth are empty when there's no evidence to back them up, regardless of what that statement is.

I think you're going to swing and miss with this line of argument but carry on.

Is saying "God is a myth" a statement of "truthfulness"?

Indeed. Until any evidence of gods existence is brought forward he/she/it will have to remain as a myth. Thats what a myth is.

 

[Retro Rob]

Indeed.

So where's your evidence? You said "truthfulness comes with a burden of proof", but if something is true in reality, its already proven, so we no longer need evidence.

But if we're talking about statements made, statements of truth, why don't you think you need evidence?