Little Punks tried to Rob the wrong MAN

[HannibalX]

Similar thing happened here in Florida a while back. Two men tried to rob a Denny's diner a coulpe of miles from my house armed with shot guns. A Korean War Vet pulled a .45 Colt and shot them both dead.

The good guys carry guns too, there is no way I would be a criminal in this day and age when everyone is packing.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Lash444
What i find most amusing is where he says that he "disarmed those punks". I am assuming he ripped the vertical feed off the bottom of the gun. Did he realize at any point that there still might be a bullet left in the chamber. I guess that never dawned on him as he started to think that he was the smartest man to ever live on this planet. The problem these days is that you cant just shoot the darn kid in the back after he thinks he got away with stuff. Let him turn around and start to run and then pop a cap in his a$$.

Perhaps they didn't pop one into the chamber, or maybe they actually believed his lie. We'll never know.

 

[ReiAyanami]

The good guys carry guns too, there is no way I would be a criminal in this day and age when everyone is packing.

cuz we all know the era of cowboys was rifed with lawfullness!!

 

[Eli]

Nice.

 

[ThePresence]

Half the time, they'd shoot ya even if you did give them the money. I like this guy. Those punks should thank their lucky stars that they're alive.

 

[jteef]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Trying to hold someone up with a rifle? Hangun, yes. Shotgun, maybe. Rifle? Pffffft. Little sh!ts are lucky their arrogance and ignorance didn't get them killed.

The guy definitely has some brass clanging between the legs though.

they said it was a sawed off .22 even. I thought that was a little moronic, but I searched google and got 6,000 hits for it. What is the story here? Wouldn't that make the rifle horribly inaccurate and a lot less powerful?

What are the laws regarding shooting somebody from behind in that situation? Clearly a shot to the back of the head or a fatal wound to the back is not cool, but what about a knee or otherwise disabling shot.

jt

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Mani
I think this guy's almost as stupid as his assailants. No matter what the financial situation, $120 is not worth risking your life over. It's cool that things went the way they did, but it could have easily turned ugly if the assailants didn't happen to be such morons.

Situation permiting I'd rather fight back than get shot in the face after they take my wallet. If someone pulls a gun on me I'll work under the assumption they intended to use it.

That's a fine example of gun control.

No, a fine example of gun control would be hitting yer attackers, not the car they were riding in.

they said it was a sawed off .22 even. I thought that was a little moronic, but I searched google and got 6,000 hits for it. What is the story here? Wouldn't that make the rifle horribly inaccurate and a lot less powerful?

1. It makes it eaiser to conceal and carry.
2. Accuracy isn't an issue if the rifle is 12" from its target.


Lethal

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Kaervak
Good for him. Always good to see people stand up to punks like that. Naturally someone will be along shortly to say the robbers are the victims though.

No kidding...

But, but... the poor 14 year old boy got SHOT!!! He was only trying to rob the guy, sheesh...

Hopper

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: dolph
am i really the only one who thinks this guy wasn't too bright? even if i'm carrying like keanu in the lobby of the matrix, if someone's pointing a rifle at me they're getting my wallet. especially when there are 3 of them. you might think i'm a coward, but i think that anyone else is insane for risking their life for $120.

It's not the money. It's the principle.

amish

damn straight it's the principle. i don't care if it's $120, $1.20, or $1,200,000. my life is priceless. i'd die to protect my family, friends, or possibly innocent people, given the situation. but over money? or any material possesion? too much pride will kill you. so yes, it is the principle. are you willing to die on the chance that you'd survive a run-in with punks like this? is your life worth so little? dying for this principle is not one of my principles.

This is why crime is rampant. We are being raised as victims, blindly handing over our BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS to any thug with a gun.

This is not about money, or pride. It is about our basic human and civil rights. Theft and robbery are crimes because they violate the rights of another. Because we are not a police state, the government cannot, and will not be able to protect us on an individual basis.

Soldiers die on the battle field for our rights. Why are we not allowed to fight for them on an individual basis? If EVERYONE stood up to criminals, how long do you think violent and property crime would last in any great numbers? Not long at all. It's been proven time and time again that criminals fear armed victims more than anything else.

Finally, do NOT mistake this with vigilantism. It is far from it. Vigilantism is taking the law into your own hands AFTER THE FACT. Vigilantism is NOT protecting your self, your rights, and your property from criminals.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: dolph
am i really the only one who thinks this guy wasn't too bright? even if i'm carrying like keanu in the lobby of the matrix, if someone's pointing a rifle at me they're getting my wallet. especially when there are 3 of them. you might think i'm a coward, but i think that anyone else is insane for risking their life for $120.

True. But at least he owned them.

 

[Nitemare]

surprised no one is whining about the 14 y/o getting shot.

If the DEA had shot him would that be wrong?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Mani
I think this guy's almost as stupid as his assailants. No matter what the financial situation, $120 is not worth risking your life over. It's cool that things went the way they did, but it could have easily turned ugly if the assailants didn't happen to be such morons.

Situation permiting I'd rather fight back than get shot in the face after they take my wallet. If someone pulls a gun on me I'll work under the assumption they intended to use it.

Ask any cop, the majority of these situations end with the victims being robbed but making it out alive. I can wager that your chances of staying alive drop significantly if you try to be a hero. For every one of these stories, there's a bunch you don't hear about where someone who tried to resist an armed mugging wasn't so lucky.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
surprised no one is whining about the 14 y/o getting shot.

If the DEA had shot him would that be wrong?

The really sad part is there are people thinking this man fought them over $120.

What price do you put on your rights? How much money does a person have to take from you before you think it's too much?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Nitemare
surprised no one is whining about the 14 y/o getting shot.

If the DEA had shot him would that be wrong?

The really sad part is there are people thinking this man fought them over $120.

What price do you put on your rights? How much money does a person have to take from you before you think it's too much?

If it was purely the principle, what did he take out his wallet, see how much he had, then decide to put up a fight?

 

[cressida]

stupid kids and stupid flamers.

 

[dighn]

admirable courage but almost stupid. he got lucky. could easily ended up being killed.

"principles" LOL would you really risk your life to defend *any* principles? there are situations where it's just not worth it. this is an example.

 

[Akebona]

It said he was unemployed yet he was carrying around 120 bux?? dude, wtf was he thinking? I try to carry less than 100 in my wallet at anytime, no point in carry anymore. If that were me, call me a noobass coward but I woulda handed them the money. Who knows, maybe the kid was so nervous, even if he wouldn't have shot me, he might have accidently pulled the trigger. Screw that, I'm not dying over a few dollars. You may say principal and all that, but I think the people that say that, are the same ones that say "I would fight for this country" but if a draft ever started up, they'd already be in Canada.

 

[boi]

Maybe he has nothing to lose so he took the chance. If I was unemployed, I would have done the same thing.

 

[dolph]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: dolph
am i really the only one who thinks this guy wasn't too bright? even if i'm carrying like keanu in the lobby of the matrix, if someone's pointing a rifle at me they're getting my wallet. especially when there are 3 of them. you might think i'm a coward, but i think that anyone else is insane for risking their life for $120.

It's not the money. It's the principle.

amish

damn straight it's the principle. i don't care if it's $120, $1.20, or $1,200,000. my life is priceless. i'd die to protect my family, friends, or possibly innocent people, given the situation. but over money? or any material possesion? too much pride will kill you. so yes, it is the principle. are you willing to die on the chance that you'd survive a run-in with punks like this? is your life worth so little? dying for this principle is not one of my principles.

This is why crime is rampant. We are being raised as victims, blindly handing over our BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS to any thug with a gun.

This is not about money, or pride. It is about our basic human and civil rights. Theft and robbery are crimes because they violate the rights of another. Because we are not a police state, the government cannot, and will not be able to protect us on an individual basis.

Soldiers die on the battle field for our rights. Why are we not allowed to fight for them on an individual basis? If EVERYONE stood up to criminals, how long do you think violent and property crime would last in any great numbers? Not long at all. It's been proven time and time again that criminals fear armed victims more than anything else.

Finally, do NOT mistake this with vigilantism. It is far from it. Vigilantism is taking the law into your own hands AFTER THE FACT. Vigilantism is NOT protecting your self, your rights, and your property from criminals.

let's put it this way - if you were the guy in the story, but you were unarmed, would you still hold your ground?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: jteef

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Trying to hold someone up with a rifle? Hangun, yes. Shotgun, maybe. Rifle? Pffffft. Little sh!ts are lucky their arrogance and ignorance didn't get them killed.

The guy definitely has some brass clanging between the legs though.

they said it was a sawed off .22 even. I thought that was a little moronic, but I searched google and got 6,000 hits for it. What is the story here? Wouldn't that make the rifle horribly inaccurate and a lot less powerful?

What are the laws regarding shooting somebody from behind in that situation? Clearly a shot to the back of the head or a fatal wound to the back is not cool, but what about a knee or otherwise disabling shot.

jt

Shoot to kill, cause with laws they way they are, if you shoot some bastard that broke into your home and you don't kill him, he can sue you. So in sits like this, you either shoot one shot and kill them, or you empty the clip.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Mani
I think this guy's almost as stupid as his assailants. No matter what the financial situation, $120 is not worth risking your life over. It's cool that things went the way they did, but it could have easily turned ugly if the assailants didn't happen to be such morons.

Situation permiting I'd rather fight back than get shot in the face after they take my wallet. If someone pulls a gun on me I'll work under the assumption they intended to use it.

Ask any cop, the majority of these situations end with the victims being robbed but making it out alive. I can wager that your chances of staying alive drop significantly if you try to be a hero. For every one of these stories, there's a bunch you don't hear about where someone who tried to resist an armed mugging wasn't so lucky.

That makes sense. First of all, no one wants a murder charge, not to mention conscience. There is a difference between a mugger and a killer. Second of all, if someone wants to kill you he will do that before taking the wallet.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Mani
I think this guy's almost as stupid as his assailants. No matter what the financial situation, $120 is not worth risking your life over. It's cool that things went the way they did, but it could have easily turned ugly if the assailants didn't happen to be such morons.

Situation permiting I'd rather fight back than get shot in the face after they take my wallet. If someone pulls a gun on me I'll work under the assumption they intended to use it.

Ask any cop, the majority of these situations end with the victims being robbed but making it out alive. I can wager that your chances of staying alive drop significantly if you try to be a hero. For every one of these stories, there's a bunch you don't hear about where someone who tried to resist an armed mugging wasn't so lucky.

That makes sense. First of all, no one wants a murder charge, not to mention conscience. There is a difference between a mugger and a killer. Second of all, if someone wants to kill you he will do that before taking the wallet.

Notice my "situation permiting" disclaimer? If someone is willing to rob me at gun point I really wouldn't put it past them to go the extra 1/4" and shoot me. And if I was gonna rob someone at gun point I'd get the wallet and then shoot them. Why? Because that gun fire is going to attract attention and I don't wanna be diggin' thru a dead guy's coat, pants' pocket, and/or briefcase trying to find his f'ing wallet when people start coming around to see WTF made that noise.


Lethal

 

[snooker]

Originally posted by: jteef

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Trying to hold someone up with a rifle? Hangun, yes. Shotgun, maybe. Rifle? Pffffft. Little sh!ts are lucky their arrogance and ignorance didn't get them killed.

The guy definitely has some brass clanging between the legs though.

they said it was a sawed off .22 even. I thought that was a little moronic, but I searched google and got 6,000 hits for it. What is the story here? Wouldn't that make the rifle horribly inaccurate and a lot less powerful?

What are the laws regarding shooting somebody from behind in that situation? Clearly a shot to the back of the head or a fatal wound to the back is not cool, but what about a knee or otherwise disabling shot.

jt

I have a buddy who has all the proper permits etc.. to carry a concealed weapon and he let me read a pamplet with the does and do nots for gun safetly and control. One thing I found odd in this pamplet was that fact that it says if you shoot someone, you need to shoot to kill, do not cripple but kill. It went on to explain the reasoning behind that which made sense. The only time you are supposed to fire a firearm in public is if you feel your life is in imminent danger. Thus shooting someone in the back of the knee/leg shows you wasn't in danger the moment you fired the weapon (The assailant was turned going away) and you could end up going to jail too.

 

[OFFascist]

He did an excellent job.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dolph

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: dolph
am i really the only one who thinks this guy wasn't too bright? even if i'm carrying like keanu in the lobby of the matrix, if someone's pointing a rifle at me they're getting my wallet. especially when there are 3 of them. you might think i'm a coward, but i think that anyone else is insane for risking their life for $120.

It's not the money. It's the principle.

amish

damn straight it's the principle. i don't care if it's $120, $1.20, or $1,200,000. my life is priceless. i'd die to protect my family, friends, or possibly innocent people, given the situation. but over money? or any material possesion? too much pride will kill you. so yes, it is the principle. are you willing to die on the chance that you'd survive a run-in with punks like this? is your life worth so little? dying for this principle is not one of my principles.

This is why crime is rampant. We are being raised as victims, blindly handing over our BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS to any thug with a gun.

This is not about money, or pride. It is about our basic human and civil rights. Theft and robbery are crimes because they violate the rights of another. Because we are not a police state, the government cannot, and will not be able to protect us on an individual basis.

Soldiers die on the battle field for our rights. Why are we not allowed to fight for them on an individual basis? If EVERYONE stood up to criminals, how long do you think violent and property crime would last in any great numbers? Not long at all. It's been proven time and time again that criminals fear armed victims more than anything else.

Finally, do NOT mistake this with vigilantism. It is far from it. Vigilantism is taking the law into your own hands AFTER THE FACT. Vigilantism is NOT protecting your self, your rights, and your property from criminals.

let's put it this way - if you were the guy in the story, but you were unarmed, would you still hold your ground?

Probably not. This is why I support concealed carry on demand licensing laws. In EVERY state in which they've been passed, crime has plummeted. In Vermont, a citizen with no criminal history doesn't even need a license to carry a concealed weapon. It's his right as a law abiding citizen. I see no wave of gun crime in Vermont, do you?

The fact is, concealed carry laws keep criminals guessing and deter crime. Armed victims are the worst nightmares of criminals.