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Sid59

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Originally posted by: jagr10
Why don't they just settle on a damn format already. All these companies fighting to see who will own the rights to the technology and who will make money off licensing. It's stupid. Why don't they all team up and come up with one technology so that they all own it.

why does it matter? Get one you like. Both formats are compatible with newer DVD standalone drives. Even if you choose a format, it's not guanteed to work in PC dvd drives. It all depends on how old the drive is. If you wanna go with cheap media and is supported by the DVD ISO, go with DVD-R. If want to get something with MS support and developed by Sony, Philips and others, go with +R. If you wanna complain summore, go with a dual drive ala the new Liteon's coming out or the SONY DRU500A/AX.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: jagr10
Why don't they just settle on a damn format already. All these companies fighting to see who will own the rights to the technology and who will make money off licensing. It's stupid. Why don't they all team up and come up with one technology so that they all own it.

It's the money of course. Once a standard is set, and anyone can mfg the "standard", then product differentiation goes out the window along with profit margins. What $$ making company would want a standard?
 

magomago

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Wait...wouldn't teaming up and all making $$ = monopoly? No thanks if that is the case two formats are just fine

As for the price wow 150 DVD rws would be awsome...though i'll jump on when its prolly 100 dollars and at a faster writing speed
 

daimon

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Actually, standardization in this case doesn't equal monopoly. The more likely
outcome would be commodization of both hardware and media. Let say they
settle for dvd-rw, cosumers will see notable drop media prices in a month if not
few weeks; given increase manufacturing capapcity.
 

Morph

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Originally posted by: AgaBooga
When will higher speeds come out? Its been at 4x write speed to DVD's for some time now. If I remember correctly CDRW drives as well took some time after the 4x mark.

8X may be the maximum speed for DVD recording. I guess that's equivalent to over 50X CD recording. Pioneer will have an 8X drive at the end of year: Text
 

Belzer

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8x will not be the fastest speed but for reaching higher speed you need to use a CAV or ZCLV writing method. DVD-R/RW has so far only specifications for CLV writing contrary to the DVD+R/RW format which also support CAV writing. The fastest DVD writers will probably be 16x speed.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Belzer
8x will not be the fastest speed but for reaching higher speed you need to use a CAV or ZCLV writing method. DVD-R/RW has so far only specifications for CLV writing contrary to the DVD+R/RW format which also support CAV writing. The fastest DVD writers will probably be 16x speed.

The fastest speed will be determined by what the consumers are willing to pay for and not by what current commercialized technology schemes are available.

16x DVD write speed may just be short of the threshold most users consider acceptable for the $$ they spend. Would you spend $200 more for a 32X DVD+RW drive? If so, and there are enough consumers like you then don't be surprised to see a "breakthrough" in technology and 32X DVD burners hitting the streets. If no one is willing to spend the $$, then the market will mature around a 16x DVD burn-speed (as happened to CDRW market at $50/burner and 50X speeds). For that matter, the market may very well mature at 8x speeds.

It is always a "performance at what cost" issue, it is never a "that performance is not attainable at any cost" issue...
 

Sid59

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anyone have a link or know off the top of the head the the write speeds of dvd and cd and what they equal to each other?
 

Pariah

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anyone have a link or know off the top of the head the the write speeds of dvd and cd and what they equal to each other?

CDROM 1x = 150KB/s
DVDROM 1x = 1350KB/s

So every DVD rating is 9 times the performance of the corresponding CD rating.

8X may be the maximum speed for DVD recording.

Very unlikely, for DVD+ at least. The CLV limit for DVD- may make the advancement for that format difficult.

If no one is willing to spend the $$, then the market will mature around a 16x DVD burn-speed (as happened to CDRW market at $50/burner and 50X speeds).

The reason CD based drives aren't going any faster is because we are reaching the physical limit of the CD. Already we see the occasional report of CD's shattering in people's drives and increasing the rotational speeds will only increase those occurances. There are people that claim anything over 40x exceeds the tolerances of cheaply made, damaged, unbalanced and other imperfect CD's.

With the proliferation and maturity of 16X DVDROM drives I would expect writers to reach at least that speed. I think the stagnation of reader speeds has more to do with zero demand or even need for faster readers with so little content out there that would benefit from it. Demand for writers faster than 16x will probably be greater than demand for readers that fast which could create the odd scenario that writers would be pioneering higher speeds.
 

Sid59

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oh how i want one. please please please come out where ever you are.

actually, in another thread, i believe Taiwan was having some problems getting the drives off the line, so the release has been pushed backed.
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: jorken
Originally posted by: NeoMadHatter
is this out yet?

Yeah really... any word?

If you would have clicked on MY link you would know that it's been delayed because it doesnt have the parts to make it yet.

Volume Shipments of DVD±RW Drives May Be Delayed

A shortage of pick-up heads (PUH) and other key components may delay volume shipments of DVD±RW optical storage drives by one to two quarters, according to Taiwan?s optical storage drive makers. These Taiwan-based optical storage drive makers, including AOpen, Asustek, BenQ, Lite-On IT and Ultima Electronics (Artec), had originally planned to start volume shipments of DVD±RW drives in the second quarter.

I too wanted to get a Lite-ON drive but I got tired of waiting & got this Toshiba SD-R5002 drive instead.
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: jagr10
Why don't they just settle on a damn format already. All these companies fighting to see who will own the rights to the technology and who will make money off licensing. It's stupid. Why don't they all team up and come up with one technology so that they all own it.


Ditto
 

Sid59

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RaymondY
Any updates on the ETA on the LiteOn DVDRW????

shortage of pick-up heads (PUH) and other key components may delay volume shipments of DVD±RW optical storage drives by one to two quarters, according to Taiwan?s optical storage drive makers.

LINK

1 or 2 quarters!? NOOOO >> i need one NOW!
 

Sid59

Lifer
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eh .. i might just pick up any reliable drive below 150 .. august is a bit too late
 

Sid59

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tart666
Originally posted by: Belzer
Originally posted by: RaymondY
Any updates on the ETA on the LiteOn DVDRW????

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/6888

That's not liteon... Is liteon coming out in May now? at all? please please please?!

uh ... Liteon was having problems (i think shortages) of Pick Up Heads and that list included Liteon.
so ... Lite-On IT** To launch DVD+RW drives in June and DVD-dual drives in August.