List of what got cut from the stimulus bill

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MovingTarget

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Partially Cut:


? $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings (original bill $7 billion)
(infrastructure - maintenance upgrade w/ long term cost savings)

? $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million) Not infrastructure.
Honorable, but not really stimulus. Bring on the axe.

? $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund (original bill $800 million)
(not infrastructure, but Superfund cleanup does create jobs and improve living conditions)

? $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (original bill $427 million)
Depends as they do have a lot of infrastructure, such as the recently launched replacement sattelites. Not sure how much of this was to go to their infrastructure.

? $100 million from law enforcement wireless (original bill $200 million)
If this involved building/installing relay towers, then it would be infrastructure. Otherwise, cut it.

? $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles (original bill $600 million)
Infrastructure, long term cost savings, boon to private industry and American workers. WTF was this cut?

? $100 million from FBI construction (original bill $400 million)
To FBI? I would say cut it, but this is specifically for construction. Keep.

Fully Cut

? $55 million for historic preservation
This really is a lot of work. Not infrastructure, but it does put people to work so we can keep what we already have.

? $122 million for Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters
Infrastructure. Shipbuilding employs a LOT of people. Besides, our fleet is in need of a major refit and/or replacement.

? $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization
??? This is kind of vague. Cut it.

? $50 million for Cooperative State Research, Education and Extension Service
??? Research is good, but should be done directly with our universities. We can leave the states out of this.

? $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
...because we LOVE pollution! Seriously, it takes a lot of manpower to restore a wetland, which has huge impacts not only on the environment, but on local fisheries (read: industry).

? $100 million for distance learning
Cut it.

? $98 million for school nutrition
Cut it. This can better be solved by appropriate legislation regarding food sourcing and options.

? $50 million for aquaculture
An emerging industry. This will create a lot of jobs in the future, so why not?

? $2 billion for broadband
A big FU to those who didn't support this. Time to bring our internet policy back into the 20th century. Heck, without government intervention, we wouldn't even have basic phone service or electricity outside of the major cities.

? $100 million for National Institute of Standards and Technology
Cut it, but only sofar as it should be assigned to specific goals.

? $50 million for detention trustee
Cut it.

? $25 million for Marshalls Construction
Marshalls probably don't need this, but it is infrastructure.

? $300 million for federal prisons
We already have an overcrowding problem. It is infrastructure, so keep it, but the better way of alleviating this is to end the war on drugs.

? $300 million for BYRNE Formula grant program
?? Education/research?

? $140 million for BYRNE Competitive grant program
See above.

? $10 million state and local law enforcement
Cut. See bolded parts for where real funding responsibility should come from. Besides, federal strings suck.

? $50 million for NASA
? $50 million for aeronautics
? $50 million for exploration
? $50 million for Cross Agency Support

I'll address these in a group. NASA is a MAJOR player in the research fields, employing a lot of people. They have a lot of infrastructure needs to accomodate space exploration that are in need of funding. We need to address the shuttle/constellation gap ASAP. Only a NASA running at full speed will get us where we as a nation and civilizaion where we need to go. Besides, the commercial space industry is in its infancy, and cooperation via COTS system is going to get them going very soon. Keep, and fund more.

? $200 million for National Science Foundation
Valuable asset to our society. Research in science and technology == jobs (current and future).

? $100 million for science
See above

? $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees
Loans. For. Infrastrucuture. Projects. Duh.

? $4.5 billion for General Services Administration
Cut.

? $89 million General Services Administration operations
Cut.

? $50 million from Department of Homeland Security
Cut. (unless this is for their buildings/office furniture, which does help industry)

? $200 million Transportation Security Administration
Unless they have some major project planned, this looks to be operations costs. Cut.

? $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use
Infrastructure. Again, shipbuilding creates a lot of jobs. Besides, the icebreaker fleet upgrade was already cut.

? $25 million for Fish and Wildlife
Something near and dear to me, but not infrastructure. Can be cut, but should be taken up elsewhere.

? $55 million for historic preservation
Again, restoration of historic structures creates jobs just like any infrastructure project.

? $20 million for working capital fund
?? Cut.

? $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement
Capital projects - creates jobs.

? $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management
Cut. Fund on as-needed basis.

? $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start
Education. These programs do wonders. Keep.

? $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity
Cut and address in upcoming healthcare bill we all know is coming. ;)

? $2 billion for Health Information Technology Grants
Infrastructure.

? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)
Kill it. Kill it and make it die. Repeal NCLB. Seriously, as a supporter of education, kill that shit.

? $16 billion for school construction
Construction. Duh.

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction
See above.

? $1.25 billion for project based rental
? Cut.

? $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization
Cut.

? $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing
Construction and alleviation of cycles of poverty. Keep.

? $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization (includes $7.5 billion of state incentive grants)
Cut.

There ya go.

 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: fallout man
? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)

? $16 billion for school construction

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction


HAHAHA.

Republicans HATE kids, unless they can crawl under the covers with them.

WTF is this bullshit? Apparently its OK to call all Republicans child rapists/molesters now? Are there no fucking lines in this forum whatsoever?

This is just some sick fucking shit that crosses the line.
 

Modelworks

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Damn they cut all the stuff that I wanted to see in the bill.
Guess the change Obama spoke about was all the change that will be lining the pockets of the same people as before.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: fallout man
? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)

? $16 billion for school construction

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction


HAHAHA.

Republicans HATE kids, unless they can crawl under the covers with them.

Or eat them.
 

DealMonkey

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It's difficult not to notice the GOP-led Congress lined-up to suck W's cock when he suggested we spend $100's of Billions in tax-payer funds blowing up and then rebuilding third-world shithole countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, but call it "pork" when someone suggests we do the same for ourselves in our own country.

It's OK to build a school in Iraq, but not in our own country? The dems shouldn't have bothered consulting the GOP on this spending bill, because these sort of retarded decisions are the inevitable result.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This list makes me sad. A lot of that is indeed infrastructure, or at the very least a boon to American industry. What ever happened to the Republicans saying that all those unemployed should turn to education to pick up skills for the "jobs of the future"? Well, they don't seem to want to fund any of that either. Say buh-bye to the last of the American technological and scientific edge.

Why should the govt be subsidising this?? we have private industry for a reason.

I don't think you're going to see private industry doing much of anything for the next couple of years unless it's guaranteed money in the bank (and things rarely ever are).
 

imported_Champ

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alright does anyone have a list of what is in?...like total amounts of the entire bailout and what it is going towards?...and the cost minus these cuts too
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: fallout man
? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)

? $16 billion for school construction

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction


HAHAHA.

Republicans HATE kids, unless they can crawl under the covers with them.

WTF is this bullshit? Apparently its OK to call all Republicans child rapists/molesters now? Are there no fucking lines in this forum whatsoever?

This is just some sick fucking shit that crosses the line.

/pops a vein in forehead
 

MikeMike

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hmm... so no matter what happens, it gets blamed on the republicans... I thought congress was democratically controlled... o wait no, this is AT P&N, no matter what, it is the republicans fault.
 

theeedude

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It's the Republicans fault this stuff got cut. They blocked passage of the bill until it was.
 

Modelworks

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Got this off another site.
Compares what was cut to what we spend in Iraq.

Cut

? $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings = 10 days IRAQ
? $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million) = 5 Hours IRAQ
? $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund= 12 hours IRAQ
? $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration = 7 Hours IRAQ
? $100 million from law enforcement wireless = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles = 21 Hrs IRAQ
? $100 million from FBI construction = 7 Hrs. IRAQ

Eliminated

? $55 million for historic preservation= 3 HRS IRAQ
? $122 million for new Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $65 million for watershed rehabilitation = 4 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for distance learning = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $98 million for school nutrition = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $50 million for aquaculture = 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $2 billion for broadband = 6 Days IRAQ
? $50 million for detention trustee = 3.5 Hrs IRAQ
? $300 million for federal prisons = 1 Day of IRAQ Expenditures
? $10 million state and local law enforcement = 30 minutes in IRAQ
? $50 million for NASA = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $50 million for aeronautics = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $200 million for National Science Foundation = 12 Hours in IRAQ
? $100 million for science = 6.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees = 3 Days in IRAQ
? $200 million TSA = 12 Hrs. IRAQ
? $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $25 million for Fish and Wildlife = 1 Hr. 45 Minutes in IRAQ
? $55 million for historic preservation= 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $20 million for working capital fund= 1 Hr 20 minutes IRAQ
? $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement = 10 Hrs. IRAQ
? $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management = 6 Hrs. IRAQ
? $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start = 2.5 Days in IRAQ
? $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity = 15 Days in IRAQ
? $16 billion for school construction = 42 Days in IRAQ
? $3.5 billion for higher education construction = 10 Days in IRAQ
? $1.25 billion for project based rental = 4 Days in IRAQ
? $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization = 100 Days in IRAQ

above is less than what we spend in IRAQ in 8 months.
 

bbdub333

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Got this off another site.
Compares what was cut to what we spend in Iraq.

Cut

? $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings = 10 days IRAQ
? $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million) = 5 Hours IRAQ
? $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund= 12 hours IRAQ
? $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration = 7 Hours IRAQ
? $100 million from law enforcement wireless = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles = 21 Hrs IRAQ
? $100 million from FBI construction = 7 Hrs. IRAQ

Eliminated

? $55 million for historic preservation= 3 HRS IRAQ
? $122 million for new Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $65 million for watershed rehabilitation = 4 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for distance learning = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $98 million for school nutrition = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $50 million for aquaculture = 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $2 billion for broadband = 6 Days IRAQ
? $50 million for detention trustee = 3.5 Hrs IRAQ
? $300 million for federal prisons = 1 Day of IRAQ Expenditures
? $10 million state and local law enforcement = 30 minutes in IRAQ
? $50 million for NASA = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $50 million for aeronautics = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $200 million for National Science Foundation = 12 Hours in IRAQ
? $100 million for science = 6.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees = 3 Days in IRAQ
? $200 million TSA = 12 Hrs. IRAQ
? $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $25 million for Fish and Wildlife = 1 Hr. 45 Minutes in IRAQ
? $55 million for historic preservation= 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $20 million for working capital fund= 1 Hr 20 minutes IRAQ
? $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement = 10 Hrs. IRAQ
? $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management = 6 Hrs. IRAQ
? $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start = 2.5 Days in IRAQ
? $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity = 15 Days in IRAQ
? $16 billion for school construction = 42 Days in IRAQ
? $3.5 billion for higher education construction = 10 Days in IRAQ
? $1.25 billion for project based rental = 4 Days in IRAQ
? $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization = 100 Days in IRAQ

above is less than what we spend in IRAQ in 8 months.

Yeah, and all the money spent in Iraq goes to American soldiers and American contractors. What's your point?
 

Eeezee

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So the most noticeable cuts to me were

1) Education, which yields higher returns than any other government investment

2) Science, a sector where we just lost a bunch of jobs; science spending has the second highest return of any government investment

3) Broadband; I'm fine with this one since the telecos pretty much just pocketed the last big check we handed them. But along this line, why aren't we going after them for that?
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Yeah, and all the money spent in Iraq goes to American soldiers and American contractors. What's your point?

And most of that money is spent in Iraq. What's YOUR point?
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Got this off another site.
Compares what was cut to what we spend in Iraq.


Yeah, and all the money spent in Iraq goes to American soldiers and American contractors. What's your point?


The point is the money is spent IN Iraq. We can spend money on war but not on education ?
Damn that is pathetic.
 

CPA

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Good for all of the reductions of stimulus spending.

I love how it's termed as cuts as if it effects their already submitted budgets. These monies were above and beyond any fiscal year budget approved monies, folks. Stop whining.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This list makes me sad. A lot of that is indeed infrastructure, or at the very least a boon to American industry. What ever happened to the Republicans saying that all those unemployed should turn to education to pick up skills for the "jobs of the future"? Well, they don't seem to want to fund any of that either. Say buh-bye to the last of the American technological and scientific edge.

Why should the govt be subsidising this?? we have private industry for a reason.

Because the government is sometimes better suited to do so itself. Education and Infrastructure are two of those areas. Sure, we do have some private industry involved in both those fields, which is healthy, but they don't receive our taxdollars for a reason. Private industry has really done a bang-up job as of late. We don't just delegate everything to private business as we aren't fascists.

You have got to be kidding me. Are you seriously stating that the government does a good job with education? seriously?
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: senseamp
It's the Republicans fault this stuff got cut. They blocked passage of the bill until it was.

waawaaawaaa
 

Schadenfroh

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The entire "stimulus" bill should have been killed. Bush's TARP / bailouts should never have passed either (FWIW, I was against the Iraq war from the beginning as well, it was a bigger waste of money).
 

brencat

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
The entire "stimulus" bill should have been killed. Bush's TARP / bailouts should never have passed either.

Best post of this entire thread right here. Seriously all of you whining about what was cut out of the bill, have you ever stopped to think if govt should even be involved in some of these things AT ALL??

I mean seriously, why does our govt need a $300 million fleet of hybrid automobiles? In fact, why do they need taxpayer funded vehicles at all?? Obviously, law enforcement agencies FBI/CIA yes, but do they need to be hybrid? For fvck sake, let the private sector determine what is suitable and profitable based on supply & demand. I certainly don't see any six-figure jobs being created out of most of this stimulus bill. Great! So we end up with 1 - 3 million lowest common denominator jobs...what a joke.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: brencat
For fvck sake, let the private sector determine what is suitable and profitable based

God damn it why didn't we let the private sector do things before. We would never of been in this mess then had we only let the free markets work without any regulations.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This list makes me sad. A lot of that is indeed infrastructure, or at the very least a boon to American industry. What ever happened to the Republicans saying that all those unemployed should turn to education to pick up skills for the "jobs of the future"? Well, they don't seem to want to fund any of that either. Say buh-bye to the last of the American technological and scientific edge.

Why should the govt be subsidising this?? we have private industry for a reason.

Because the government is sometimes better suited to do so itself. Education and Infrastructure are two of those areas. Sure, we do have some private industry involved in both those fields, which is healthy, but they don't receive our taxdollars for a reason. Private industry has really done a bang-up job as of late. We don't just delegate everything to private business as we aren't fascists.

You have got to be kidding me. Are you seriously stating that the government does a good job with education? seriously?

Yes and no. A baseline education is required if we are to remain a free society. To that end, the states should be handling it. The federal gvt should not be involved AT ALL for K-12 education. Universities are where it is really all about when it comes to science and technology. The federal gvt, despite its flaws, has funded many institutions of higher education that have really bore fruit for our society. It takes federal power and pockets to really fund these large institutions. This is how we maintain our edge in the world. Not every aspect of our society needs to be governed by supply/demand and be subject to the markets. We would get nowhere, especially in education. The private sector has its place in higher ed, but overall the private sector is rather short sighted when it comes to those things. Perhaps you would like to return to the days where an education was a luxury only afforded by the wealthy? I for one would not. Perhaps you would like the private sector to be in charge of all R&D in our country. We would get nowhere. Gimme a break.