List of what got cut from the stimulus bill

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
If the Dems don't like the changes then why don't they quit bitching and go tell the Republicans to pound sand?

Because they are scared this thing will fail. If there is no republican support and it fails well next few elections the republicans take over again. That and democrats don't have balls to really take a stand when things get tough. Obama is the king of no balls he should of wrote a bill and sent it to congress and said pass this now. Instead he let Pelosi write this pork filled bill. Now the public is turning against porkulus Obama is in campaign mode to try and save the day.

Seems to me that most of the people posting in this thread should be bitching at the Dems for allowing those Republican concessions. They 'won' last time I heard.

I think Pelosi is the Dems biggest problem right now and may eventually prove to be instrumental in subverting the Dems chances in 2012.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is not going to be enough as written, get ready for follow up stimulus bill(s).
If states are not given more federal aid, they are going to cut more than enough jobs to cancel out whatever jobs creation is in this Republican watered down bill.

That never-ending avalanche of suck has been predictable and inevitable since the very moment the first idiot conceived the idea for Federally funded "bailouts" and "stimulus packages."

They are viral, they are addicting, and they will do more harm than good.

Bet?

 

[Xellos2099]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: JS80
How much do we already spend on education per child?

Judging from my experience in a public high school (graduated five years ago), money is not so much of an issue as the students' willingness to learn. Fortunately, the results of my IQ test placed me apart from the mainstream classes, but there were still plenty of people in the AP classes that did not care and were disruptive to those who wanted to learn.

The discipline problem was the greatest of all, as the faculty was afraid to discipline students (physically or by other means) out of fear of having to stay for parent meetings (from what I am told, the parents were more trouble than the students) and lawsuits. Many teachers just popped antidepressants and joined the ranks of the uncaring while cruising towards retirement. I had some horrible teachers in HS that were horrible because they basically thought that the kids do not care, so they should not either.

We could save a good bit of money by making it easy to remove those that do not wish to learn earlier. Once they are out of the way, the standards can be raised along with the difficulty of the curriculum and teachers will not simply pass students just to finally get rid of them.

Finally I find people that agree with me that we already spend too much on the k-12 student. Sure, more money will give student better equipment, but it is not the only thing that matter. In k-12, it is the desire to learn that matter. From what I heard, all these standard test doesn't matter much. When I was in High school, all we had to take are ACT and SAT. Now there are so much more it is simply a waste of money.

Btw, I still don't think the bills will past just yet. There is still a bit too much pork to my liking. Even the general public start to dislike the bill after they learn morw about it.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
If the Dems don't like the changes then why don't they quit bitching and go tell the Republicans to pound sand?

Because they are scared this thing will fail. If there is no republican support and it fails well next few elections the republicans take over again. That and democrats don't have balls to really take a stand when things get tough. Obama is the king of no balls he should of wrote a bill and sent it to congress and said pass this now. Instead he let Pelosi write this pork filled bill. Now the public is turning against porkulus Obama is in campaign mode to try and save the day.

Seems to me that most of the people posting in this thread should be bitching at the Dems for allowing those Republican concessions. They 'won' last time I heard.

I think Pelosi is the Dems biggest problem right now and may eventually prove to be instrumental in subverting the Dems chances in 2012.

I said it during the campaign that Obama would not have the sack to stand up to Pelosi and the democratic congress. Obama will never take a stand and his whole career has voted present on the hard issues. This porkulus bill just proves I am right that Pelosi and the democratic congress would trample all over Obama. Hell just 2 weeks into his term Obama is relegated to campaign mode while Pelosi installs her policies on the country. Pelosi and the democratic congress smelled weakeness and are taking advantage of it by putting in more pork than stimulus into the bill and forcing president Obama to sell it to the public.

 

[TechHead87]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: fallout man

? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)

? $16 billion for school construction

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction

HAHAHA.

Republicans HATE kids, unless they can crawl under the covers with them.

Or eat them.

Or raise them to be soldiers.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: senseamp
This is not going to be enough as written, get ready for follow up stimulus bill(s).
If states are not given more federal aid, they are going to cut more than enough jobs to cancel out whatever jobs creation is in this Republican watered down bill.

That never-ending avalanche of suck has been predictable and inevitable since the very moment the first idiot conceived the idea for Federally funded "bailouts" and "stimulus packages."

They are viral, they are addicting, and they will do more harm than good.

Bet?

We need government to pick up the slack on direct spending, first and foremost by giving money to states to make sure state and local projects don't have to get cut, adding to more unemployment. What we are getting instead is more of the same, tax cuts that failed to stimulate the economy before. And the longer they wait to inject money into the economy through direct and immediate spending to offset the drop off in private sector spending, the more money they will need to pick up the pieces later. It takes a long time to get projects into pipelines to create jobs, so the best, most effective way is to keep ongoing projects from being canceled.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: quest55720
Good start on the cuts now just cut out another 200-300 billion more. I am glad the education got cut that money would just go to the teachers union. School funding should be a local not national. Any national money spent would just free up money to give the teachers union more money. We already bailed out the UAW no need to bail out the teachers union who are bankrupting the education system.

$122 million for Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters

Well global warming should take care of any need for a icebreaker.

You understand that most public school funding is derived from property taxes, and that property values have gone down quicker than a hooker in vegas?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Got this off another site.
Compares what was cut to what we spend in Iraq.

Cut

? $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings = 10 days IRAQ
? $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million) = 5 Hours IRAQ
? $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund= 12 hours IRAQ
? $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration = 7 Hours IRAQ
? $100 million from law enforcement wireless = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles = 21 Hrs IRAQ
? $100 million from FBI construction = 7 Hrs. IRAQ

Eliminated

? $55 million for historic preservation= 3 HRS IRAQ
? $122 million for new Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $65 million for watershed rehabilitation = 4 Hrs. IRAQ
? $100 million for distance learning = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $98 million for school nutrition = 7 Hrs. IRAQ
? $50 million for aquaculture = 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $2 billion for broadband = 6 Days IRAQ
? $50 million for detention trustee = 3.5 Hrs IRAQ
? $300 million for federal prisons = 1 Day of IRAQ Expenditures
? $10 million state and local law enforcement = 30 minutes in IRAQ
? $50 million for NASA = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $50 million for aeronautics = 3.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $200 million for National Science Foundation = 12 Hours in IRAQ
? $100 million for science = 6.5 Hours in IRAQ
? $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees = 3 Days in IRAQ
? $200 million TSA = 12 Hrs. IRAQ
? $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use = 8 Hrs. IRAQ
? $25 million for Fish and Wildlife = 1 Hr. 45 Minutes in IRAQ
? $55 million for historic preservation= 3.5 Hrs. IRAQ
? $20 million for working capital fund= 1 Hr 20 minutes IRAQ
? $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement = 10 Hrs. IRAQ
? $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management = 6 Hrs. IRAQ
? $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start = 2.5 Days in IRAQ
? $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity = 15 Days in IRAQ
? $16 billion for school construction = 42 Days in IRAQ
? $3.5 billion for higher education construction = 10 Days in IRAQ
? $1.25 billion for project based rental = 4 Days in IRAQ
? $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing = 8 Days in IRAQ
? $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization = 100 Days in IRAQ

above is less than what we spend in IRAQ in 8 months.

Yeah, and all the money spent in Iraq goes to American soldiers and American contractors. What's your point?

I dont know about you, but id much rather be building schools and improving infrastructure within the US than paying Haliburtons earmarked contracts they didnt even have to bid o such as getting $100 per load of laundry they do. (really)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: quest55720

I said it during the campaign that Obama would not have the sack to stand up to Pelosi and the democratic congress. Obama will never take a stand and his whole career has voted present on the hard issues. This porkulus bill just proves I am right that Pelosi and the democratic congress would trample all over Obama. Hell just 2 weeks into his term Obama is relegated to campaign mode while Pelosi installs her policies on the country. Pelosi and the democratic congress smelled weakeness and are taking advantage of it by putting in more pork than stimulus into the bill and forcing president Obama to sell it to the public.

Huh? Stand up to them how? On the stimulus package they AGREE. Why is he supposed to fight something he agrees with?